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"A pervasive web of falsehood" ( Pepperdine Prof. confronts Catholic bloggers on abortion & Obama )
California Catholic Daily ^ | January 14, 2009 | staff

Posted on 01/14/2009 3:08:26 PM PST by kellynla

Washington, DC, Jan. 13, 2009 (CNA) -- In his first lengthy article explaining his position after the election of President Barack Obama, Pepperdine University Professor Douglas Kmiec is accusing “right wing Catholic bloggers" of distorting his position, attacking him personally, and potentially poisoning the relationship between the Holy See and the future administration of President Barack Obama.

(Excerpt) Read more at calcatholic.com ...


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KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicism; kmiec; leftist; obama; obamatransitionfile; prolife; religiousleft
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To: kellynla

I’ve grown long weary of anti-war arguments being dressed up as something else.

If you want socialism but you want it to be officially sanctioned by the US Government, then just say so. If you want to have illegal immigration unfetted and are willing to overlook 1.4M abortions each year as the price, then just say so.

But making legalistic remarks about how Obama is ‘different’ when you can’t point to a single legal piece he has ever seen, written or edited which points to another remotely ‘different’ about The One. I’ve yet to see anything about Obama which is different in a legal sense. So without evidence, I have to continue to believe that

Kmiec is either self-deluded or he is continuing to lie about his real defection from reality.


21 posted on 01/14/2009 3:41:22 PM PST by bpjam (GOP is 3 - 0 in elections after Nov 4th. You Can Smell the Rally !!!)
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To: Crim
Doesnt look like safe ground to tread to me....

Gosh, that sounds so -— Calvinist
Nice job quoting scripture

That's what Jesus did when he chose to confront the
Powers and Principalities of His day (and this one)

22 posted on 01/14/2009 3:45:10 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: kellynla

The Catholic leader is a Gollum.


23 posted on 01/14/2009 3:47:01 PM PST by stockpirate (To each according to their needs, (bailout) from each according to their ability(bailout funds))
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To: kellynla
Good Lord, what a drama queen.

“A hate-filled blogosphere,” argues Kmiec, after defending the sincerity of Obama’s religious beliefs, “feeds a politics of odium, misleading people of faith and good will, diminishing and at times obliterating our ability to know one another.”...“Sadly, neighbor-love is not what has overwhelmed my in-box since my Obama endorsement. Instead, right-wing blogs and their readers have launched missiles of hate, delivering ad hominem invective of an astonishing vehemence and crassness.”

The anti-Christian half of the blogosphere, with its pathological abomination of religion and its vocabulary of "Xtian," "Jeebus," "fundie," etc., is far more warped with hatred. But they left poor widdle Dougie alone, so they're okay.

Professor Kmiec later laments in his essay that “to be remade by a hateful blogosphere has its price, I’ve learned. I worry that such invitations to speak at Catholic colleges, and the fruitful exchanges these invitations make possible, will be fewer.”

One would hope! Catholic institutions are not supposed to support abortion, ever, ever, ever.

“One member,” he says of the U.S. hierarchy, “whom I greatly admire has renounced our past association, writing, ‘We are not friends, professor,’ and answering my invocation of Christian brotherhood with a curt retort: ‘I do see you as a brother in Christ -- a brother who is serving an evil end.’...Kmiec doesn’t reserve blame to “right wing” Catholic bloggers alone. In his essay, he says a role were played by “unfortunate remarks,” like the ones of Archbishop Raymond Burke calling the Democratic Party “the party of death,”

Truth hurts, sonny.

Kmiec also confesses that when America magazine blogger Michael Sean Winters speculated that the Obama administration might name him as ambassador to the Holy See, he was “flattered” and started seriously thinking about the possibility....But he claims that “neither God nor the president-elect had an opportunity to answer before the blogs were recycling their various calumnies, and adding now an anonymous voice allegedly saying ‘it would never happen.’”

Overwhelming narcissism and self-pity is a really unpleasant combination.

24 posted on 01/14/2009 3:51:22 PM PST by denydenydeny (If pigs could vote, the man with the slop bucket would be elected swineherd every time-OS Card)
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To: stockpirate

Kmiec is about as “Catholic” as my cat!


25 posted on 01/14/2009 3:51:55 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: HangnJudge

Oh that wasnt direct at you...more for pro-choice catholics like Biden ....sorry for any confusion...


26 posted on 01/14/2009 3:54:18 PM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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he bears ‘malice toward none’ and manifests ‘charity for all.’”

Unless you're an unborn baby, aka a punishment, in utero or you survive an abortion, then "the messiah" bears plenty of malice and no charity towards you.

27 posted on 01/14/2009 3:59:10 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Crim
sorry for any confusion...

None apology needed,
and sorry for the confusion on my part

I was just having fun
with this far too serious subject.

In the tradition under which I was raised,
being accused of Calvinism
is a high compliment :^)

28 posted on 01/14/2009 3:59:44 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: MathDoc

Thank you for the list.

How do you see Kmiec’s position and reasoning?

Does he not ignore the plain words of the commandment: “Thou shalt not kill?”

How can any Christian justify such a position?


29 posted on 01/14/2009 4:16:19 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: kellynla
Hey Dougie.....God does NOT like his GIFTS to be returned UNOPENED!!

Obama will NOT fake out the POPE, buddy.

30 posted on 01/14/2009 4:19:22 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience)
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To: kellynla

The serpent speaks.


31 posted on 01/14/2009 4:19:22 PM PST by RedRedRose
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To: kellynla
Sounds like the kid who murders his parents because he loved them - then asks the court to have mercy on him because he is an orphan.

To Kmiec, whatever your beliefs, DO NOT CLAIM THEY ARE CATHOLIC. Murder is a sin; abortion is murder. Ergo, ipso facto, and you and 0bambi can slice it anyway you want, abortion is a sin. Knowingly committing a sin - and not be repentant - is a one way ticket to damnation.

Not my rule, it's God's rule.

32 posted on 01/14/2009 4:20:05 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..
Pepperdine University Professor Douglas Kmiec is accusing "right wing Catholic bloggers" of distorting his position, attacking him personally, and potentially poisoning the relationship between the Holy See and the future administration of President Barack Obama.
...y'know, because Kmiec and his false messiah are one.
33 posted on 01/14/2009 5:19:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: MathDoc

Thanks for the summary.

Any man who wants to be our President and says “it’s above my paygrade to know when life begins” ....... should never be considered. He sounds just like those black robed judges in their Roe v Wade case.


34 posted on 01/14/2009 5:20:35 PM PST by victim soul
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To: victim soul

Victim, see my tagline.....

I don’t care what your beliefs are or who you are there is only this fact-

The Ends NEVER justify the means, no matter how small the means or how great the ends. period.

These assclowns may have to wait until judgement day to get their reward, but justice delayed is NOT justice denied. Maybe someday the scales will fall from their eyes, but, then again, maybe not.......


35 posted on 01/14/2009 6:02:11 PM PST by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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To: kellynla

Dougie, no REAL Catholic voted for Obama, only CAtholics in Name Only like you voted for him. Go to Confession and then repent and amend your ways. (And you just might be able to receive Communion again!)


36 posted on 01/14/2009 9:53:43 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HangnJudge

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2164613/posts?page=36#36


37 posted on 01/14/2009 9:55:55 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MathDoc
[Obama]Opposed born-alive treatment law because it was already law. (Oct 2008)

That one really sticks in my craw - Obama's claim that he opposed born-alive infant protection "because it was already law."

That is such a freaking lie.

The Illinois law he claims "already" protects these babies uses the same weasel-word language as Roe v. Wade, i.e., the concept of "viability."

What this means is, if the born-alive aborted baby is not deemed "viable" --by the abortionist-- then in the eyes of that law, the baby deserves no medical assistance or even comfort-care!

Obama even admitted that a bill calling for a second doctor's opinion on "viability" of the born-alive child would put "too heavy a burden" --on the abortionist!

38 posted on 01/14/2009 10:41:39 PM PST by shhrubbery! (Dear media: Palin is pure as Alaska snow - it's OBAMA who was "NEVER VETTED" !)
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To: kellynla
Pepperdine University Professor Douglas Kmiec is accusing “right wing Catholic bloggers" of distorting his position...

There is no need to distort Obama's position. He stated that knowning when life began was above his pay grade. He has been a tenacious advocate for abortions. Put those 2 together and one can only arrive at the conclusion that since he admits he doesn't know when life begins and yet strongly fights to abort babies, even if they may be human by his own defintion, then one can only conclude that Obama is evil. That's not a distortion...that is taking Obama at his word and at his actions.

39 posted on 01/15/2009 1:39:53 AM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: kellynla; Dr. Sivana; ArrogantBustard; ninenot; Mr. Silverback; AnAmericanMother
Kmiec needs four things to ply his trade: , "customers," a mattress, a portable red light and a sack of quarters. OR as John Wayne once said of Richard Nixon: Give him a striped silk shirt and some piano lessons and he could work any room in the house.

If Kmiec (once a professor at Catholic University waaaaay back when he was still Catholic or at least appeared to be) wants to spread disinformation on Catholic campuses to the effect that it is even possible to remain Catholic while sucking up to Hussein Obambi, the baby-killer queen, for political patronage or otherwise, well, Dougie, thanks but no thanks and any priest with spine will deny you the sacraments as well.

If Dougie were appointed US Ambassador to the Vatican, his credentials should be refused by Pope Benedict XVI. Just getting warmed up for four more years of active duty in the right wing blogosphere. Being on offense is a lot more fun than being on defense.

40 posted on 01/15/2009 11:18:33 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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