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Plato
300 BC | Plato

Posted on 01/18/2009 3:47:58 PM PST by Woebama

"The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector.

"At first in the early days of his power he is full of smiles and he salutes everyone whom he meets. He to be called a tyrant, who is making promises in public and also in private! Liberating debtors and distributing land to the people and his followers and wanting to be so kind and good to everyone!

"But when he has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other, in order that the people may require a leader.

"Has he not also another object, which is that they may be impoverished by payment of taxes, and thus compelled to devote themselves to their daily wants and therefore less likely to conspire against him?"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: plato
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1 posted on 01/18/2009 3:47:59 PM PST by Woebama
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To: Woebama

aaaaaarrrrrggghh!


2 posted on 01/18/2009 3:52:44 PM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: bboop

Seemed a fitting time for the reminder.


3 posted on 01/18/2009 3:55:37 PM PST by Woebama
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To: Woebama

Can you id the source? Is it the Republic?


4 posted on 01/18/2009 4:15:20 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Woebama

GREAT QUOTES.


5 posted on 01/18/2009 4:17:17 PM PST by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Woebama

Bump


6 posted on 01/18/2009 4:18:52 PM PST by Larry Lucido (I was predestined to be an Arminian but am considering choosing Calvinism.)
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To: Woebama

And there is nothing new under the sun.


7 posted on 01/18/2009 4:19:26 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Mad Dawg
Republic, probably translated by William Sidis. http://www.sidis.net/continuitynews6.htm Sidis was a quirky child prodigy that sort of dropped out in the 1930’s, was a Harvard Professor or some such in his teens. I'd find a more common source if I was going to publish it with name attached.

By the by, I was reading Genesis this morning, the story of Joseph in Egypt. For the 7 good years he stored the grain of Egypt, then the 7 bad years came. At first the Egyptians paid for the grain with their money. When they were out of money they paid with their livestock. Then they were forced to pay with their land. After that they were slaves. Do you remember what that enslavement was? They remained on the land and paid 20% of their harvest to the Pharaoh. What a wonderful world it would be if we only paid that 20% now.

8 posted on 01/18/2009 4:22:54 PM PST by Woebama
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To: Mad Dawg

Here’s a better source: http://books.google.com/books?id=Cg_QX4yoOSQC&pg=PA274&lpg=PA274&dq=The+people+have+always+some+champion+whom+they+set+over+them+and+nurse+into+greatness.+This+and+no+other+is+the+root+from+which+a+tyrant+springs%3B+when+he+first+appears+above+ground+he+is+a+protector.&source=web&ots=MzYIAixISv&sig=DHP-T0kW_zphXN_ME3-J4J_R59o&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA275,M1


9 posted on 01/18/2009 4:28:38 PM PST by Woebama
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To: Woebama

Sigh. Wonder how many people read Plato these days.


10 posted on 01/18/2009 4:39:16 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: Woebama

Le plus ça change, le plus c’est la même chose


11 posted on 01/18/2009 4:50:47 PM PST by Marylander (Same old same old.)
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To: Woebama
Heh heh Hheh, (the Joseph comment).

Thanks for the answer. I'll look it up in my el standardo Jowett translation.

12 posted on 01/18/2009 4:52:27 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

It would help if they at least had heard of Plato’s account of how democracy devolves into Tyranny. Or if they understood that a good government simply cannot be without involved, intelligent, edumicated, and virtuous (or at least trying to be virtuous) people.


13 posted on 01/18/2009 5:08:25 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

edumicated, especially.


14 posted on 01/18/2009 5:34:15 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You can teach Plato. Against love there is no law.


15 posted on 01/18/2009 5:38:32 PM PST by cornelis
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To: the invisib1e hand

We are reading The Republic in my homeschool co-op for the next few weeks.


16 posted on 01/18/2009 5:39:01 PM PST by aberaussie
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To: aberaussie

GOOD for Y’ALL! That’s ECXELLENT ! I admire the courage involved. It’s not so all fired easy.


17 posted on 01/18/2009 5:46:30 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: aberaussie
We are reading The Republic in my homeschool co-op for the next few weeks.

Plato and his "philosopher kings" are the philosophical underpinnings for a lot of totalitarian governments. Read Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 01/18/2009 5:49:54 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Woebama

Yes, it is all too appropriate.


19 posted on 01/18/2009 6:10:44 PM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: aberaussie
Students begin with the early Socratic dialogues, especially the Apology.
20 posted on 01/18/2009 6:26:35 PM PST by cornelis
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