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Our world may be a giant hologram
New Scientist ^ | January 15th, 2009 | Marcus Chown

Posted on 01/18/2009 4:47:55 PM PST by Crimson Elephant

DRIVING through the countryside south of Hanover, it would be easy to miss the GEO600 experiment. From the outside, it doesn't look much: in the corner of a field stands an assortment of boxy temporary buildings, from which two long trenches emerge, at a right angle to each other, covered with corrugated iron. Underneath the metal sheets, however, lies a detector that stretches for 600 metres.

For the past seven years, this German set-up has been looking for gravitational waves - ripples in space-time thrown off by super-dense astronomical objects such as neutron stars and black holes. GEO600 has not detected any gravitational waves so far, but it might inadvertently have made the most important discovery in physics for half a century.

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Germany; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aquarianconspiracy; callingartbell; cosmology; hologram; karlpibram; marilynferguson; science; stringtheory; universe
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The theories that reality/universe is a hologram get a bit of a boost. Interesting reading at any rate.
1 posted on 01/18/2009 4:47:56 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: shibumi

“Out here on the perimeter” ping.


2 posted on 01/18/2009 4:52:41 PM PST by Salamander ( Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


3 posted on 01/18/2009 4:52:46 PM PST by kalee
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To: Crimson Elephant; null and void; Darksheare; Slings and Arrows

Oddly enough, when I’m hung over I don’t feel like a hologram...


4 posted on 01/18/2009 4:53:10 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Crimson Elephant

It’s called “The Matrix”


5 posted on 01/18/2009 4:54:58 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: Grizzled Bear
Arnold Rimmer effect?
6 posted on 01/18/2009 4:55:55 PM PST by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Biblical creationists can’t possibly compete with atheists/agnostics when it comes to believing in absurd things with blind faith.


7 posted on 01/18/2009 4:56:32 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Crimson Elephant

I enjoy gravitational theory, I really do. I also look for lost money where the most light is.


8 posted on 01/18/2009 4:57:53 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Crimson Elephant

So who or what is running the hologram generator?

The Universe is hard for most people to comprehend. Heck Obama voters may not even know we are standing on a planet that goes round a nuclear furnace. Or the output of the nuclear furnace may not be, imagine that, a constant.

I find it curious that a science publication will give time to this puffery but not to debunking the AGW hoax. For instance, publishing the different laws of physics, thermodynamics and chemistry that need be violated if the AGW hoax is true. Strange wouldn’t you say.

Me, the Universe is what it is. And we may not know what that is.


9 posted on 01/18/2009 5:01:19 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: Tarpon
But nonetheless you better hope I don't wake up.
10 posted on 01/18/2009 5:02:33 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Prepare for the new fuhrer -- Communism finally overtakes the USA)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Can I quit dieting?


11 posted on 01/18/2009 5:02:47 PM PST by woofie
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To: Liberty1970

“Biblical creationists can’t possibly compete with atheists/agnostics when it comes to believing in absurd things with blind faith.”

Again, another Freeper has hit the nail on the head!


12 posted on 01/18/2009 5:05:09 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: freedumb2003

So you are behind the curtain, expose yourself.


13 posted on 01/18/2009 5:05:18 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: Tarpon
So you are behind the curtain, expose yourself.

The last time I did that, I spent the night in the Drunk Tank ;)

14 posted on 01/18/2009 5:07:00 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Prepare for the new fuhrer -- Communism finally overtakes the USA)
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To: Tarpon
I find it curious that a science publication will give time to this puffery

So do you use the term "puffery" to describe things you don't understand?

15 posted on 01/18/2009 5:12:02 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

No, I think puffery is stuff that fills magazine pages. As opposed to real science, it’s mostly imagination.

I don’t pretend to understand the Universe as hologram.


16 posted on 01/18/2009 5:15:15 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

I have been following this for a while and this has garnered considerable attention lately (even InstaPundit linked to it)

There are two ways to look at this. One is that our physical Universe is as it seems it is. I consider this to be the equivalent of Newtonian Physics

The second is that we PERCEIVE the Universe a certain way (and it is perfectly fine to do so) but the actual laws of the Universe, the state of the Universe and existence of the Universe is a lot more complicated that a “casual” observer would perceive. This is the equivalent (in a metaphor) to Einstienian Physics

For those of us that believe in God, this does not (IMHO) preclude God. We all know that God has mysteries that us humans cannot comprehend. Why can this not be one of them.


17 posted on 01/18/2009 5:15:22 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: Liberty1970

I dunno, this actually fits with GOD creating the universe very well theoretically speaking.


18 posted on 01/18/2009 5:16:35 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: Crimson Elephant

So who (or what) is programming this hologram? I need to send a request for a 6-figure a year career and a smokin’ 40-something redhead as my main squeeze.


19 posted on 01/18/2009 5:18:42 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: Tarpon
No, I think puffery is stuff that fills magazine pages. As opposed to real science, it’s mostly imagination.

This is based on extensive theoretical work by a variety of physicists and preliminary but compelling evidence from an incredibly sensitive, expensive, and elaborate scientific experiment.

Or did you not bother to read the article?

20 posted on 01/18/2009 5:18:46 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: SoftwareEngineer

I agree. I think that, conceptually at least, this actually fits with a God Creator idea very well....if not better.

It even allows for the concepts of spirits and souls reaching another level of existence...at least in broad terms.

At any rate, it is fascinating as a brain exercise.


21 posted on 01/18/2009 5:21:58 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: Crimson Elephant

Sounds hokey to me.


22 posted on 01/18/2009 5:22:25 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: LiberConservative
So who (or what) is programming this hologram? I need to send a request for a 6-figure a year career and a smokin’ 40-something redhead as my main squeeze.

God is.

Not being silly but actually serious. God has created this Universe. Why is it not possible that God has complied with a basic set of rules and tools to do so.

We do not know the nature of God. All we know is that He is all powerful and omnipresent. He is the Creator and the Destroyer. He is the Alpha and the Omega. Nothing in this article would take away from God as He has been revealed to us.
23 posted on 01/18/2009 5:22:28 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: LiberConservative

40-somethin’ redhead, here. Hot (used to be), but after 2 kids.....not so much. Married......well, yeah. LOL! Ahhhhhhhh, well. ;)


24 posted on 01/18/2009 5:23:40 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: LiberConservative
So who (or what) is programming this hologram? I need to send a request for a 6-figure a year career and a smokin’ 40-something redhead as my main squeeze.

Wow, do we think alike! Except I could substitute a Brunette or blond for the redhead if I absolutely had to!

25 posted on 01/18/2009 5:23:49 PM PST by calex59
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To: Crimson Elephant; SoftwareEngineer

It also gives an entirely new perspective on the line, “For now, we see through a glass, darkly.”


26 posted on 01/18/2009 5:25:06 PM PST by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Strategerist
This is based on extensive theoretical work by a variety of physicists and preliminary but compelling evidence from an incredibly sensitive, expensive, and elaborate scientific experiment.

So is the AGW hoax ... And surly they didn't spend the 10s of billions these AGW hoaxers have wasted.

I read enough to know what puffery is. It's free country right now, believe what you want, when the proof arrives, I will look at that. I don't discount the possibility, I just say prove it.

I saw a UFO once ... And I have my own hypothesis, which I can't prove, about UFOs.

Did you know that Einstein refused to believe in the notion of the expanding universe?

27 posted on 01/18/2009 5:25:55 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: Crimson Elephant
I agree. I think that, conceptually at least, this actually fits with a God Creator idea very well....if not better.

It even allows for the concepts of spirits and souls reaching another level of existence...at least in broad terms.

At any rate, it is fascinating as a brain exercise.


I agree whole heartedly. The problem is that many people think that God is magic. But there is no such thing as magic. For God to do what He did, he created a Universe with in built physics and math.

If anything, by finding proof of our "artificial" creation, we give proof to a God Creator (as you elegantly put it)
28 posted on 01/18/2009 5:27:49 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: Liberty1970
Biblical creationists can’t possibly compete with atheists/agnostics when it comes to believing in absurd things with blind faith.

I agree with you in your point, but I love this kind of stuff. I think it's great that God allows us to find out more about the universe, and it all points to Him. It just makes me realize how *little* we understand, and how great God is. (And to think He became one of us!)

This article fascinated me because I instantly thought of Plato's Forms. Which also reminded me (a little) of Paul's saying "Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known".

(From Wikipedia -- I know, not the best reference, but the most handy):

"A Form is aspatial (outside the world) and atemporal (outside time). Atemporal means that it does not exist within any time period. It did not start, there is no duration in time, and it will not end. It is neither eternal in the sense of existing forever or mortal, of limited duration. It exists outside time altogether. Forms are aspatial in that they have no spatial dimensions, and thus no orientation in space, nor do they even (like the point) have a location. They are non-physical, but they are not in the mind. Forms are extra-mental.

A Form is an objective "blueprint" of perfection. The Forms are perfect themselves because they are unchanging. For example, say we have a triangle drawn on a blackboard. A triangle is a polygon with 3 sides. The triangle as it is on the blackboard is far from perfect. However, it is only the intelligibility of the Form "triangle" that allows us to know the drawing on the chalkboard is a triangle, and the Form "triangle" is perfect and unchanging. It is exactly the same whenever anyone chooses to consider it; however, the time is that of the observer and not of the triangle.

The pure land

The Forms exist in a rarefied sector of the universe.

But the true earth is pure (katharan) and situated in the pure heaven (en katharōi ouranōi) ... and it is the heaven which is commonly spoken by us as the ether (aithera) ... for if any man could arrive at the extreme limit ... he would acknowledge that this other world was the place of the true heaven (ho alethōs ouranos) and the true light (to alethinon phōs) and the true earth (hē hōs alēthōs gē)."


29 posted on 01/18/2009 5:28:09 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: Crimson Elephant
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30 posted on 01/18/2009 5:37:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Tarpon

“I find it curious that a science publication will give time to this puffery but not to debunking the AGW hoax”

Scientists mostly live off grant money. Grant money is awarded based on the most current, trendy, hopes and fears.

Scaremongering sells.


31 posted on 01/18/2009 5:38:40 PM PST by ChicagahAl (It's mourning in America. Mourning our dearly departed freedom, liberty, security and wealth.)
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To: Crimson Elephant
["If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram."]

I wonder if it looks anything like a yellow submarine.

32 posted on 01/18/2009 5:43:30 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: agrarianlady

I just think that GEO600 picked up the noise of the janitor running the vacuum cleaner....


33 posted on 01/18/2009 5:43:55 PM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: ChicagahAl
Good points, sad but true.

However, and there is just one however, having worked the grant industry for some time, the science types will only whore for the hoax as long as their fellow scientists go along. I believe we have reached now critical mass, and the hoax is being openly laughed at. All a scientist has is his reputation, and once significant number of fellow scientists are scornful of the lack of real science in the hoax, it will fail. Regardless how much money is offered up as payoffs.

That's why the sites on the network that are not funded by grants are so effective.

34 posted on 01/18/2009 5:45:38 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Innerestin’


35 posted on 01/18/2009 5:45:43 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: wally_bert

LOL! Perhaps we are all just Hard Light?


36 posted on 01/18/2009 5:59:58 PM PST by FreeManWhoCan
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To: Crimson Elephant

The Universe is the hologram on God’s credit card.


37 posted on 01/18/2009 6:01:03 PM PST by NeoCaveman (I'm a RINO, he's a RINO, wouldn't you like to be a RINO too...)
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To: All

the universe we see is the three-dimensional representation of the four-dimensional meta-universal museum of all the species that have ever existed in the meta-universe


38 posted on 01/18/2009 6:02:38 PM PST by tanstaafl44 (Muslims cannot let Western Civilization kill itself in peace.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Please don’t use your own titles...

“Our world may be a giant hologram”

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-be-a-giant-hologram.html?full=true&print=true";


39 posted on 01/18/2009 6:07:51 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

...might be of some interest.


40 posted on 01/18/2009 6:20:50 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Terrific book: The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot. Worth the read.


41 posted on 01/18/2009 6:24:09 PM PST by Twotone
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To: wally_bert
"Arnold rimmer effect?"

Smeging Hell! Holly ... is that true?


42 posted on 01/18/2009 6:26:11 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: Crimson Elephant

Has anyone contacted albore about this for additional scientific support?


43 posted on 01/18/2009 6:28:52 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: Crimson Elephant

If the universe is a hologram why do blind people not know that nothing else is there?


44 posted on 01/18/2009 6:32:35 PM PST by ThomasThomas ( Never mind.........it may go both ways...)
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To: Tarpon

“So who or what is running the hologram generator?”

God, of course.

The holographic universe theory seems very good to me.


45 posted on 01/18/2009 6:39:27 PM PST by devere
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To: Crimson Elephant
This actually makes a lot of sense. After watching the Holodeck scenes on the original Star Trek, I often wondered if our multidimensional representation of reality is represented as two dimensions in our memory. Then, I got to wonder, "What if everything is like that?"

Fascinating...as Spock would say.

46 posted on 01/18/2009 7:05:59 PM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: Crimson Elephant

They’re not talking about a literal hologram but about everything we experience as three dimensions in the middle of the universe actually being the way we perceive two dimensional effects that really occur only on the outer bubble of the expanding universe. Interesting theory that could also explain God’s place in and impact on the universe if one is inclined to look at things that way.


47 posted on 01/18/2009 7:13:54 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: woofie

>>Can I quit dieting?

maybe your hologram is just out of whack and you are really buff


48 posted on 01/18/2009 7:23:58 PM PST by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: CapnJack
Maybe in some alternate universe I am the equivalent of Ace Rimmer.
49 posted on 01/18/2009 7:33:05 PM PST by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
There are two ways to look at this. One is that our physical Universe is as it seems it is. I consider this to be the equivalent of Newtonian Physics

I'm reminded of that saying by Feynman, that those who think quantum mechanics makes sense don't really understand it (or something like that).

50 posted on 01/18/2009 7:55:52 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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