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A 9/11 family member chides the new President for closing Guantanamo terror camp
911FamiliesForAmerica.org ^ | Janaury 25, 2009 | Michael Burke

Posted on 01/25/2009 3:26:05 AM PST by Sergeant Tim

This morning, the New York Daily News published my op-ed on President Barack Obama's decision to close Guantanamo and suspend the Military Commissions:

With his shameful order to close Guantanamo Bay, President Obama has perfectly filled the stereotype of the classic clueless ultra-Liberal -- the one who can generate great passion for the rights of the guilty defendant and none for the innocent victim.

With a single stroke of the pen, Obama has delayed justice for the victims of 9/11, and in essence granted a reprieve for Al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the architect of 9/11.

America does not honor our "rule of law and the rights of man" as he put in his inauguration speech by such an action. Instead, this nation abdicated its duty to justice.

It seems the new President is too far removed from the victims of 9/11. Victims like 11-year-old Bernard Curtis Brown, a passenger on American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. Everyone onboard was killed, as well as [125] people in the Pentagon. Curtis was on a trip with several of his classmates to California sponsored by National Geographic.

Obama and the Democrats have had a blind spot for 9/11 and have yet to show they have an ounce of understanding what happened that day.

Here is why we were attacked: Muslim extremists hate Americans and want us dead. Our policies in no way influenced the vitriol perpetuated on innocent Americans on September 11, 2001. ...


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To: austrian

They didn’t rob the corner Quickie-Mart or mug a few old ladies in a dark alley. They were enemy combatants out of uniform waging war on US soldiers. The folly in all this is the refusal to face the fact that we are at war with committed Islamofascists intent on destroying the US and western civilization. We can’t simply say, oh, well, try them in civil court, allow these enemies all the benefits of US citizens, etc., (which they aren’t legally entitled to). It’s insane, but no more than the rest of the Liberal agenda. Meanwhile, Europe is tiptoeing away from the idea that they’d take Guantanamo’s prisoners. They probably figure their own Muslim population would clamor for their immediate release, and rapes, murders, and mutilations would go through the roof.


41 posted on 01/25/2009 4:55:34 AM PST by hershey
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To: austrian
"...americas image suffered world wide because of guantanamo..."

Let's get real here, I really don't care what the world thinks of us, they're just a bunch of 2 bit dictators or pansy socialists and are jealous of us.

Remember the statement," Lead, Follow, or get out of the way"; the rest of the world won't do any of them. So when they open their collective mouths, over here, in my house, it falls on deaf ears.

Hey austrian, nothing personal, it just struck a cord and I haven't had all my coffee yet.

42 posted on 01/25/2009 4:56:23 AM PST by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: Sergeant Tim
I never understood why our image abroad mattered either. As long as we are feared, we have nothing to worry about. Of course, now we are no longer feared.

I really was hoping Bush would have ordered the executions of all the Club Gitmo detainees prior to leaving office. Ugh.

43 posted on 01/25/2009 5:04:19 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: All; Prole; Lexington Green; mdcrandall; txradioguy

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NEVER FORGET

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The Man Who Predicted 9/11 =

9/11 Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA =

The Hero BUSH Forgot

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2167840/posts

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NEVER FORGET

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44 posted on 01/25/2009 5:11:13 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com11)
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To: austrian
WOW, after reading your thoughts, and the reply’s you received
I don't think you will be viewed as a friendly poster on this site
after this morning. Your view of the Gitmo situation tells me your
ID austrian, might just let the cat out of the bag. If you have these
liberal European ideas, just take a look at what the Islamists are
doing to your continent.

I'm not trying to be a “Bully”, (isn't that what you guys call strong people)
but your thoughts and ideas are suicidal to say the least.

Yikes, you and your kind scare the beejezzas out of me.

45 posted on 01/25/2009 5:21:43 AM PST by ThreePuttinDude (o)(o)
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To: fedupjohn

Let’s get real here, I really don’t care what the world thinks of us, they’re just a bunch of 2 bit dictators or pansy socialists and are jealous of us.


Well you definately should care. why? just simple because you need it in your own interests. because should “the world” especially europe not care about america or should they think you are evil (i´m not saying this). then why
help you? why sending soldiers to afganistan? why share intelligence data with you, why warn you if we got evidence that someone plans a terror attack on you.....?
just think about it. and btw no most people are not jealous of the US.i Have been there, liked it, may come back sometimes but do i want to live there? No. don´t get me wrong if i would be forced to chose a country where i would have to live. the US would be in my list but it would not make it into the top 5 for example. so jealous no. Cool country but far not the only one. so stop thinking every body would love to live there and is just jealous because he doesn´t.
greetings


46 posted on 01/25/2009 5:28:45 AM PST by austrian
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To: austrian
You are nuts

They are POWs . Tails or no trials. Our choice.

And I and many honorable Americans don't give a crap what the Muslim terrorist sympathizing world thinks!

47 posted on 01/25/2009 5:31:40 AM PST by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

WOW, after reading your thoughts, and the reply’s you received
I don’t think you will be viewed as a friendly poster on this site
after this morning. Your view of the Gitmo situation tells me your
ID austrian, might just let the cat out of the bag. If you have these
liberal European ideas, just take a look at what the Islamists are
doing to your continent.
I’m not trying to be a “Bully”, (isn’t that what you guys call strong people)
but your thoughts and ideas are suicidal to say the least.

Yikes, you and your kind scare the beejezzas out of me.


Well i´m here to discuss different topics not to nessesary make friends (this does not mean that i have something against making friens or that i would dislike americans in general). i just try to bring in a different view. some like it (most here don´t). no problem. but let me ask you one question .what is so scary about my posts about guantanamo? only because i think that every one should have
a trial where they can prove him that he is indeed a terrorist before they lock him up and throw away the key? for example i never said that all prisoners should be released or something else....
and yes you are correct it´s frightening what “our” governments in europe have done to us by letting in so many muslims.btw. i´m against muslim imigration but i do not see what this has to do with my oppinion about guantanamo.
greetings


48 posted on 01/25/2009 5:49:41 AM PST by austrian
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To: Sergeant Tim

Why would the president of a country release prisoners that any reasonable person would suspect of plotting to do great harm to that country’s citizens, interests, and property?


49 posted on 01/25/2009 5:51:24 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: austrian
American "image" has suffered? How f9cking dare you even presume to lecture Americans about you implanted opinions of our "image."

I think you should grasp in very short order that people who put "image" over responsible citizenship are not Americans at all, they're just pretenders. I think you can relate to pretenders.

Kindly piss off.

50 posted on 01/25/2009 5:54:12 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

American “image” has suffered? How f9cking dare you even presume to lecture Americans about you implanted opinions of our “image.”
I think you should grasp in very short order that people who put “image” over responsible citizenship are not Americans at all, they’re just pretenders. I think you can relate to pretenders.

Kindly piss off.


how i dare? hmm i guess i simple use my right of freedom of speach to point out my oppinion. believe me it´s not that difficult ;) so you wanna say americas image has not suffered especially in europe in the last years? (no one said that you have to care or you have to like it). you mean Europeans for example love guantanamo? so what´s so wrong pointing it out?


51 posted on 01/25/2009 6:14:59 AM PST by austrian
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To: austrian

“it is a shame for a country which claims himself free to imprison people for years without a trial or prooven evidence.”

We didn’t just pluck the people off a street in Baltimore and send them to Cuba.

We have a an ORGANIZATION that had dedicated itself to murdering as many of us as it can. What do you want to do, ignore it?

They aren’t doing this as individuals, so the regular court system doesn’t work here.

They aren’t doing this as soldiers for a state government, so the Geneva Conventions on War don’t apply here.

So what are we supposed to do?


52 posted on 01/25/2009 6:22:53 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: austrian
I agree with a lot of what you say here, Austrian.

One thing you have to understand, though, is that these detainees in places like Gitmo have a very unusual legal status under both U.S. and international law. They aren't U.S. citizens and they haven't been captured on U.S. soil -- so they can't be charged with crimes under the U.S. criminal system. At the same time, they don't meet any legal definition of "military personnel" under international law -- primarily because they are not citizens of the countries they are supposedly defending when they engage in combat against U.S. troops. A Saudi national who is captured in Iraq is not a "prisoner of war" in any sense of the phrase; nor is a Kuwaiti captured in Afghanistan, etc.

I have no idea what the solution is under normal legal standards.

53 posted on 01/25/2009 6:34:18 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: austrian

Oh, and by the way . . . I predict Gitmo is never going to be closed by this administration, and most (if not all) of those detainees will stay there.


54 posted on 01/25/2009 6:35:34 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
It’s only called war if a number of very narrow circumstances have been met. And they are only permitted to participate in war under a similar very narrow set of defined circumstances.

That's an excellent point. I'd add, however, that the U.S. military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan probably don't even constitute "warfare" under the legal standards of the United States.

55 posted on 01/25/2009 6:37:50 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child

> That’s an excellent point. I’d add, however, that the U.S. military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan probably don’t even constitute “warfare” under the legal standards of the United States.

Interesting... what would they be? “Policing actions”, perhaps? That would be my first guess.


56 posted on 01/25/2009 6:53:04 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: austrian
americas image suffered world wide because of guantanamo The MSM

Sorry, I just had to fix that

57 posted on 01/25/2009 6:53:55 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry and I already miss GWB)
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To: Alberta's Child
"I predict Gitmo is never going to be closed by this administration, and most (if not all) of those detainees will stay there."

Agreed. Gitmo will not be closed. This is all part of BO's BS for opening day ceremonies. It was an instant-gratification reward for the radical lefties who supported him.

Some convenient excuse will be found later for keeping the camp open.

Leni

58 posted on 01/25/2009 6:56:03 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Hey, Die Hard!

Good post!

59 posted on 01/25/2009 6:58:57 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry and I already miss GWB)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Hi Ron! Cheers for that, mate!

Is it still chilly in Las Vegas?


60 posted on 01/25/2009 7:03:59 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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