Social workers hand brother and sister to gay men for adoption--( instead of the grandparents!)

uk daily mail ^

[pandoraou812]

Yes it is & I can't begin to think about how those poor children feel. Being ripped from grandparents & placed with gay men. This world is getting sicker & sicker IMHO. There was no reason to give the children to gays when heterosexual couples wanted them. I don't much like the idea of gays adopting. If it is a baby & they don't know any other parents it doesn't seem as bad as this case does to me....These children KNOW their grandparents & they are being ripped away from all they know. That is never going to go away & I wonder how much damage it is going to do to these children. Something really stinks in this case IMHO. Prayers for those children. Shaking my head at the social workers & court who did this. Shame on them.

[odin2008]

[blueplum]

these children had been in foster care for two years, from the time they were 2 and 3.... Is it Skinnerish or Freudian or what psychological hypothesis exactly is at play here to justify putting these ‘wary’ children, expecting a mum and dad (which research shows is the most beneficial environment for children), with two men slotted into the mother and father roles? Why force an awkward situation on either party? Since when did upbringing of children become a social-science experiment?

See what socialized medicine does to human-ness?
The grandparents are reduced to a factor of healthrisk.
Adoptions are reduced to a factor of affirmative action, even if it's not in the best individual interest of any party.

[fwdude]

The Gaystapo in action. Get used to the jackbooted thugs pushing their weight around more, and spreading their propaganda that homosexuality is superior to traditional, straight couples.

[MrB]

How long before it will be a crime to criticize such action by the government?

[fwdude]

How long before it will be a crime to criticize such action by the government?

It sounds, from the court's statement, that is already is. The penalty: never seeing your grandchildren again.

Keep in mind that this case is in the UK - a picture of our country in 5 to 10 years if the leftist remain in control of government long enough to make America unrecognizable.

[fwdude]

This is completely unlike me, so I can't believe I'm making this statement, but if I were the grandparents I'd grab the children and make a break for the U.S. and apply for political asylum. We're not nearly as bad - yet - and I think they would have a good case here.

[MrB]

Unless they implement “other policies”* first, they’re asking for a world of hurt if they try such things here.

*citizen disarmament

[fwdude]

I am not a homophobe but there is clearly something wrong here.

You didn't learn the lib-speak very well, then. By their definition, even implying that there might be something wrong here brands you as a rabid homophobe.

[seemoAR]

Do you actually think the Obamanation would let you stay?.

[Quix]

1. I think it’s an important point that the grandparents blew it with the mother. However, the homosexual parents would be STILL WORSE.

2. I doubt the grandparents have the capacity to take the child to a foreign country without extradition treaty for such things but I’d sure do something that serious.

3. I’d also do everything I could to get the kids put in a family of my religion.

[fwdude]

Concluding that the grandparents did anything wrong is the height of presumption. The worst that they did was perhaps sending their daughter to college, where a lot of kids squander their newfound freedom and succumb to hedonism - even the best kids.

[Quix]

and, sometimes children turn out bad even with the best parents in the world.......

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I've heard professors say that repeatedly.

I've heard preachers say it too often.

I've heard parents say it.

I'VE NEVER, IN MORE THAN 55 YEARS OF WATCHING PARENTS AND CHILDREN SUPER CLOSELY . . . I'VE

NEVER SEEN IT.

IN EVERY CASE where someone asserted that your assertion was true, I've examined the case carefully. Usually it only took me 2-5 minutes or a few questions to find out where the parents went seriously wrong regardless of the appearances to others.

If the above assertion were true, Cherry, God would be a liar.

GOD'S WORD DECLARES THAT

WHEN

PARENTS TRAIN UP A CHILD IN THE WAY THAT CHILD SHOULD GO . . . IN THE WAYS OF THE LORD AND IN THE WAYS THAT CHILD WAS DESIGNED TO GO . . . IN THE LOVE AND FEAR OF THE LORD; THE AUTHENTIC GODLY LOVE OF THE PARENTS AND WITHOUT PROVOKING THE CHILD TO WRATH

THEN

THAT CHILD WHEN OLDER WILL NOT DEPART FROM THOSE WAYS.

ALMIGHTY GOD DECLARES THAT.

IT HAS ALWAYS . . . !!!!!!ALWAYS!!!!!!! BEEN ABUNDANTLY TRUE IN EVERY CASE.

APPEARANCES DON'T MATTER. REALITY DOES.

[Quix]

Not the height of presumption AT ALL.

How many thousands of hours have you spent counseling parents and extended families?

See my colorful post just above.

There was a study about 39+ years ago . . . a study of all the other studies to that point . . .

about child-rearing practices. The question was . . . what child-rearing practices and factors contributed most to children becoming healthy functioning adults.

"Healthy functioning adults" was defined as

1. Stable work life
2. Stable marriage
3. No trouble with the law
4. Not on public assistance

They looked at all the socio-economic factors. They looked at discipline styles--authoritarian, authoritative, Laize Faire, letting em run wild, nurturing, cold, harsh etc.

They looked at just about everything.

ONE

FACTOR stood out way above all the others.

ONE factor accounted for 80% OF THE VARIANCE/80% OF THE DIFFERENCE BETEWEEN SUCCESS AS ADULTS AND FAILURE AS ADULTS--ONE FACTOR.

WHAT
WAS
THAT
ONE
FACTOR?

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Did the parents
Love the kids?

Good guess.
But no,
That was
NOT
it!

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THE ONE FACTOR
ACCOUNTING FOR 80%
OF THE VARIANCE
WAS:
DID
THE CHILD
FEEL
LOVED?

See my post in #53 above.

AUTHENTIC EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATED LOVE FROM A PARENT--PARTICULARLY THE FIRST 8 YEARS OF LIFE--WILL MAKE A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE . . . OFTEN LITERALLY BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL . . . FOR THE REST OF THE CHILD'S LIFE.

[Quix]

BTW,

Here’s a great video on TV and the brain with links to other good ones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_acfHQiIhk0

[seemoAR]

Did you notice your excerpts didn't say the child would not rebel when he is young?. It does say he will return to the teachings when he is older.

[Quix]

I have noted that in the past.

However,

I could probably count on one or two hands the parents who seem to have managed such a high Biblical quality of parenting.

NONE OF THEIR TEENS EVER REBELLED IN THE LEAST BIT OF AN UNHEALTHY WAY.

They individuated . . . explored carving out who they were distinct from their parents—but not in any defiant, rebellious or greatly hurtful ways. They just didn’t.

They remained in meaningful dialogue with their parents all along the way.

Their parents had been their closest loved ones and remained so until they met their life partners. And after that, they were still well bonded and in friendly close dialogue with their parents.

IT CAN HAPPEN. I’VE SEEN IT.

Of course, I’ve seen much more of the worse types of parenting.

[seemoAR]

I rebelled and lived long enough to see my parents were right in their teachings. Some children have a wild streak and will go down the wrong road in life. I have an adopted daughter that rebelled and was able to move in with a married cousin. We couldn’t handle her.

She grew up a lot after she got out on her own. She is 36 now and has 2 kids. She is closer to me now than my 2 other girls. We talk often and she has apologized several times. I am very proud of her.

[Quix]

Of course that happens.

And Praise God for it.

Good deeds with children pay dividends regardless of what else has gone on . . . virtually always . . . certainly usually.

My adopted sister was a different story.

[Starfleet Command]

So many social workers, so few lamp posts.