Posted on 02/04/2009 9:16:13 AM PST by Steelfish
Gang of children - some as young as TEN - caught slowly roasting puppies over bonfire (See pic in URL) By Jaya Narain 04th February 2009
A gang of children aged as young as 10 were caught trying to roast a pair puppies over a bonfire. Passerby Melanie Johnson spotted them kicking the pups and holding them over the fire on a canal bank. The youngsters fled, abandoning the dogs, when she challenged them.
Ms Johnson, 32, took the puppies home, then passed them on to an RSPCA centre where staff treated the dogs and are now looking to find them new homes.
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I burned ants with a magnifying glass when I was little. so watch out! I might come after you./s
“I object to lynching 10 year olds “
If you think these kids are “innocent” kids, you are far into a state of delusion.
Question- would you let them play with your kids?
If not, why not?
“But St Peter”
I do not believe I am going to meet St. Peter, so that is a moot point at best.
If you think these kids are “innocent” kids, you are far into a state of delusion.
Question- would you let them play with your kids?
If not, why not?’
I never said innocent.
I would not let my kids play with animal torturers OR lynch-mob advocates. -- but I would call the police on the former, and merely rebuke the latter.
“lynch-mob advocates”
Yeah, that’s it/sarc
Get a clue my friend.
Criminals who kill at 16 should be treated as adults. Criminals are criminals. To claim they do not know any better is beyond foolish.
Apology accepted.
I can’t fathom anyone wanting to hurt baby animals as cute as that! Those kids are sick little bastards.
According the latest research, it's actually a bit more complicated than a nature or nurture issue. Normal humans do have an innate moral sense that disgusts people at the thought of doing certain things. They aren't born with it and it takes several years to develop but, in normal people, it will develop. This innate sense of morality is dependent on emotional engagement (why we care much more strongly and viscerally about the idea of our families being murdered than unnamed strangers being murdered in a far off country) and works with a parallel moral decision making process that's coldly utiliarian and emotally detached. You can condition, train, or even just temporarily encourage people to ignore the feeling produced by the innate moral sense (which people experience as a conscience) and pay attention to the cool utilitarian thoughts, instead. In the iconography of classic cartoons, people really do have a sort of angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other and just like those cartoons, people can be trained or encouraged to listen to or ignore one or the other.
An estimated 4% of people never develop that innate moral sense and become psychopaths. Not all psychopaths become serial killers or even criminals but they all lack any innate sense of morality and they have no conscience. If they want to see what a drowning looks like, they might push a person into a pool and watch them drown and not feel bad about it. You can't appeal to their conscience because they have none. And psychopaths can be very intelligent and can manipulate normal people to go along with the ride because normal people also check their moral feelings by watching those around them. If the people around you are shocked by something, you are more likely to listen to your own sense of disgust than if they react with indifference. And the people with a lessened moral sense who are not full blown psychopaths can become narcissists. And, yes, I'm claiming that ignoring emotions entirely and being coldly ruthless is a bad thing, because evidence shows that it is.
Society used to have traditions and institutions that worked to thwart and marginalize psychopaths. All of the things in traiditional culture that demanded conformity, accountability, and (importantly) delayed gratification and patience all worked to marginalize psychopaths who are generally non-conformists, avoid accountability, and have no patience. By embracing a culture of impatience and non-conformity, we've created an environment wher psychopaths and narcissists can thrive and even outperform normal people. As such, normal people are looking to pschopaths and narcissists not as outcasts who don't fit in but as cool role models and successes to emulate. And this is tilting normal people to ignore their conscience and behave more like psychopaths because it's "cool". And note that "cool", one of the most important things for a person to be these days, is about being emotionally cool and detached. That's exactly what psychopaths and narcissists are. They don't care about anything but themselves.
To summarize all of that, people are a product of nature and nuture. Nature can make a peson amoral/immoral and can give a person the tools to be moral. But nurture (a person's experiences and education) determines whether a person listens to or ignores their conscience. People really do have a sort of angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other shoulder, though a small percentage of people have only the devil and no angel to slow them down.
Some background:
Wow, you think the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for torturing a puppy? You would take the life of a person for the life of an amimal? You sound like you are on the wrong site. Liberals think that animals are worth more than humans. Conservatives do not. We reserve the death penalty for cases when people kill people. I would also argue the death penalty for a person who molests a child but that is another discussion. You cant execute final judgement on a 10 year old because of what he might do. I know little boys who were cruel to animals when they were young and grew up to be perfectly normal. You reason that if all serial killers tortured puppies as children then all children who torture puppies will grow up to be serial killers. Your argument is a logical fallacy. Boys can be cruel! Some boys will torture an animal for the experience, then sympathize with the puppy, feel guilty for their behaviour and learn to be kind in the future. The ones who enjoy the first experience and have no guilt, those are the ones to look out for. The boys in this case need to be seriously punished for their crime not killed! You need some perspective.
Ping to post 49. I meant to address it to you as well.
Islam is the only religion that sees dogs as “unclean”.
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The Christian bible has nothing good to say about dogs,, every reference to them is negative...
If I was to bet I’d say there is a good chance the kids were “Asian/Muslim” but they could simply be screwed up kids raised without morals no matter what their ethnicity.
“The Christian bible has nothing good to say about dogs,, every reference to them is negative...”
and yet we still like them. How can that be?
I have two boxers ,, they’re wonderful.
I have plenty of perspective, thank you. But my gut level reaction is to have no mercy for that type of behavior. If I’d caught anyone behaving in such a way, they’d be in for a world of hurt!
This is what Muslims think of dogs
Also good points about the culture.
I thought about your point with psychopaths thinking about the Joker character in The Dark Knight. Overall, the movie wasn't more violent than many that have been around since the 1970s. However, I'm not sure earlier generations could have comprehended a character like him, much less, have found him cool enough to put on Tshirts.
Many of the popular characters in fiction and real life today could easily be considered psychopaths. And I say that as a guy that likes the Eric Cartman character.
Im not one to jump to conclusions, so I think its about damn time we brought back corporal punishment for infractions such as these.
Bunch of knuckle dragging, zero-witted scum@*^&%^ that should be sent somewhere they are taught how to break big rocks into smaller ones.
The lady who challenged the kids is lucky. Honest. Anyone of those ‘kids’ could have been carrying a knife, and people have been murdered on the streets of the UK for far, far less.
I hang my head in shame that I’m British when I read stories like this. Its a minority, but damn they are very productive in their nasty little sub-human lives.
:(
“Life in prison.”
<<According to article, no arrests yet :(
Canings, as in Singapore. Many crimes cry out for corporal punishment. In public. Public pain and public shame are the only things that will change some peoples’ behavior.
Evil to the bone.
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