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On The Dole Again (Welfare reform gutted in porkulus)
Cato.org / NY Post ^ | Feb. 13, 2009 | Michael D. Tanner

Posted on 02/14/2009 6:09:20 AM PST by bamahead

Much of the "stimulus" bill is devoted to a backdoor undoing of one of Washington's greatest achievements of recent years - welfare reform.

One of the most important changes of the Clinton-era reform law was replacing the individual entitlement to welfare with a block grant to the states. In the old system, the more people a state signed up for welfare, the more money it got from Washington. The block grant broke this link, creating an incentive for states to help people become self-supporting.

But, as The Post's Charles Hurt has reported, slipped into the stimulus bill is a provision establishing a new $3 billion emergency fund to help states pay for added welfare recipients, with the federal government footing 80 percent of the cost for the new "clients."

Plus, the bill would reward states for increasing caseloads, even if the growth came because the state had loosened its requirements for recipients to work.

This is radical change. States that succeed in getting people off welfare would lose the opportunity for increased federal funding. And states that make it easier to stay on welfare (by, say, raising the time limit from two years to five) would get rewarded with more taxpayer cash. The bill would even let states with rising welfare rolls still collect their "case-load reduction" bonuses.

In short, the measure will erode all the barriers to long-term welfare dependency that were at the heart of the 1996 reform...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: lp; lping; porkulus; socialism; stimulis; welfare

1 posted on 02/14/2009 6:09:20 AM PST by bamahead
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...



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2 posted on 02/14/2009 6:11:01 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead
We've only begun to find all the "nuggets" in this "Destroy America" bill.
3 posted on 02/14/2009 6:12:12 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: bamahead
Republican Rogue's Gallery: The Porkulus Turncoats

Stolen from Doug Ross at http://directorblue.blogspot.com/
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4 posted on 02/14/2009 6:13:47 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: bamahead
Atlas Puked...
5 posted on 02/14/2009 6:16:30 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: bamahead

On the dole again
Just can’t wait to get on the dole again
The life I love is getin’ cash for more chowmein
And I can’t wait to get on the dole again
On the dole again
Getin’ cash so I can shack up all my kin
Playin’ lotto with the cash that I rake in
And I can’t wait to get on the dole again.

On the dole again
Like a band of gypsies we go down the highway
We’re the best of friends
Insisting that the cash be turnin’ our way
And our way
Is on the dole again
Just can’t wait to get on the dole again
The life I love is getin’ cash for more chowmein
And I can’t wait to get on the dole again

On the road again
Like a band of gypsies we go down the highway
We’re the best of friends
Insisting that the cash be turnin’ our way
And our way
Is on the dole again

Just can’t wait to get on the dole again
The life I love is getin’ cash for more chowmein
And I can’t wait to get on the dole again
And I can’t wait to get on the dole again...


6 posted on 02/14/2009 6:20:46 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: bamahead

Well, Duh. More Welfare = More 0bama Voters in 2010!

Se are so screwed.


7 posted on 02/14/2009 6:24:03 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: bamahead

Much as O used the Annenberg funds for radicalizing rather than educating, harming the poor children......this is simply another venue for harming the poorest class.


8 posted on 02/14/2009 6:27:55 AM PST by Carley (President Obama ~ Leaving No Tax Cheat Behind)
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To: bamahead

Unbelievable... undoing the only thing I ever agreed with that Clinton did.


9 posted on 02/14/2009 6:28:21 AM PST by VA Red (2012... sigh)
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To: bamahead
If you really think about it this move makes perfect political sense for Zero. Get more and more citizens dependent upon government largess, then threaten that will be cut off by his opponents. In this way he consolidates his base and keeps every one fat and happy on the government plantation.

(The damage he is doing to the people he is making dependent as well as to the U.S. Treasury are two entirely different matters which I am absolutely sure he could care less about)

10 posted on 02/14/2009 6:42:40 AM PST by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: VA Red

That's because Clinton didn't do it!

He finally had to sign it after the Republican Congress forced it on him.

He then took all the credit for its' success.



11 posted on 02/14/2009 7:06:03 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Defend the Constitution - Shoot liberals on sight!)
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To: bamahead

And we all laughes at that woman in Florida who said after obama was elected she wouldn’t have to worry about paying her mortage or gas. She obviously knew something the rest of us didn’t.


12 posted on 02/14/2009 7:11:52 AM PST by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-4-08 and all we got was a socialist and a dottering old fool.)
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To: MissEdie
"She obviously knew something the rest of us didn’t."

That reparations are on the way?

13 posted on 02/14/2009 7:21:42 AM PST by penowa
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To: bamahead
Whatever you want to believe, go ahead and believe it, but the biggest cuts in the welfare rolls were made through the simple expedient of actually enforcing a Roosevelt era welfare rule.

That rule said, more or less, that if you received public assistance and moved you had to tell the local welfare folks about it so they could come and see you at your new address (either to verify continued eligibility, or to verify your physical existence). Until you were visted your welfare payments were cut off!

Come 1996 it was suddenly possible for every welfare agency in America to quickly and easily discover that recipients had moved. All they had to do was run their recipient files against "Move Update" software, and in the course of a few minutes they'd be able to cut off payments to everyone for whom a change of address order was on file in the post office.

I was there when the Commonwealth of Virginia disqualified HALF of all recipients ~ took 15 minutes or so.

They didn't come back.

That's how much fraud there was in the system.

The recent legislative changes will not affect this technology in the slightest.

14 posted on 02/14/2009 7:59:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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That is interesting information muawiyah, but I believe you are missing some really important facts here.

The language in the stimulus bill actually INCENTIVIZES the states to keep MORE welfare recipients on their rolls.

If they want federal aid dollars, that is...the incentive is to keep their rolls HIGH.

From The Heritage Foundation:

If the authors of the stimulus bills merely wanted to provide states with more TANF funds in the current recession, they could have increased funding in the existing contingency fund. But they deliberately did not do this. Instead, they completely overturned the fiscal and policy foundations of welfare reform.[2]

Writing in Slate, liberal commentator Mickey Kaus criticizes the stimulus bill welfare provisions as a "liberal conspiracy to expand the welfare rolls."[3] He laments, "Why use the aid specifically to encourage expansion of welfare? … At the very least the extra aid to the states shouldn't be triggered by caseload expansion. (You could, for example, give states aid in proportion to their local unemployment rate.)"[4] These are reasonable suggestions; the authors of the stimulus bills pursued a different policy precisely because they wish to overturn welfare reform and increase dependence on government.

I also found mention of it in The Atlantic:

States get "casework reduction credits" for the number of people they move off of the rolls; these credits help states meet a mandated 50% threshold for their TANF recipients to perform some type of work-related activity. The idea here -- if I'm reading the bill correctly -- is that the caseload reduction credit would effectively be "updated" to account for economic emergencies. State would get more welfare funds without letting their threshold dip below 50%. Again, I think this is what's happening. Not 100 percent sure.

It's this rule change that has raised the ire of conservatives, who argue that one of the main reasons why TANF is considered a success is because it removed the incentize for states to inflate their caseloads; it required them -- or incentivized them -- to push welfare receipients into the job force.

This is actually so gigantic of a reversal in this country's welfare policy of the last 80 years, that I'm pinging my list AGAIN to make sure they see this
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15 posted on 02/14/2009 8:26:37 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

Some charts on welfare reform:

http://www.neoperspectives.com/summary.htm


16 posted on 02/14/2009 8:33:04 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: bamahead
Rest assured your typical state welfare bureaucrat has more to worry about than finding more welfare recipients ~ they come in the door all by themselves.

At the same time sending out payments to fraudulent recipients is a different ball game. Outside of New Jersey, and it's equally corrupt West Coast twin, California, I doubt you'll see anything like what was going on prior to 1996.

I think part of the reasoning behind the "incentivization" in this bill is that the Leftwingtards simply can't believe what happened to them in Welfare Reform ~ they lost HALF their clients.

I suppose some of the Leftwingtards would admit that some small amount of fraud was going on, but for HALF of the recipients to be engaging in fraud just had to shock them right down to the bottom of their little toesies.

They reject the idea they were facilitating widespread fraud, so they're going to try another pathway to building up the ranks.

It will fail.

17 posted on 02/14/2009 8:33:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: bamahead
BTW, in case you missed the point I was making, it was that Welfare Reform failed to do anything. "Move Update" brought about massive and permanent change.

Legislation that disestablishes Welfare Reform's bases should have no effect.

18 posted on 02/14/2009 8:36:14 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: bamahead

Yep, add that to the Cloward Piven strategy and it looks as if the United States is going to brought down from within, they will bankrupt the Nation with Welfare and unsound banks.

Game over.


19 posted on 02/14/2009 9:04:59 AM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: xcamel

Here is a part of an old song I heard way back about 1968.

I will only post part since the rest of the song would get me banned, canned, tombstoned, and I would be forced to take about six weeks of remedial “diversity training.”

They’re lookin’ for a handout
To get somethin’ free
Lookin’ for a handout
From you and me
And with the consent
Of the president
They’re gonna get their way
They’re gonna get their way


20 posted on 02/14/2009 9:34:57 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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