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Doesn’t the United States make anything anymore?
The Buffalo News ^ | 2/17/2009 | Stephen Manning

Posted on 02/17/2009 5:12:29 PM PST by BfloGuy

The U. S. by far remains the world’s leading manufacturer by value of goods produced. It hit a record $1.6 trillion in 2007 — nearly double the $811 billion in 1987. For every $1 of value produced in China’s factories, America generates $2.50.

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I'm tired of the "we-don't-make-anything-here-anymore" comments. As the article (from the AP surprisingly) points out, we make more than any other country in the world -- some 20% of global output.

And, by the way, it's the wealth created by that manufacturing and the services that support it (design, R&D, finance, etc.) that pay for our foreign purchases and not the Chinese.

1 posted on 02/17/2009 5:12:29 PM PST by BfloGuy
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To: BfloGuy
We have a bumper crop of loud liberals.
2 posted on 02/17/2009 5:16:37 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: BfloGuy

I’m so tired of the free traitor argument that we do make stuff here...play games with the statistics...take a trip to any store...try and find American goods...lies, damn lies and government statistical lies.


3 posted on 02/17/2009 5:21:11 PM PST by nyconse
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To: BfloGuy

Also, the trade deficit and the money we owe China paints a far different and more truthful argument.


4 posted on 02/17/2009 5:22:06 PM PST by nyconse
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To: BfloGuy

And you know what? If we were smart, we’d make even more of our own goods. AND it wouldn’t be that hard to make happen. Now you’re saying “wait just a minute.” Well, here’s my plan - we don’t put Buy American into legislation and get into trouble with our trading partners. We take a lesson from the Japanese. Huh? you say? Well, here it is... It is too expensive to manufacture many goods in the US. That doesn’t have to be so, because while American workers are expensive relative to some others, we are VERY productive. So, marginal improvements in the legal and tax environment can bring big increases in our manufacturing sector. More jobs for Americans, and a better balance of trade. Here’s a couple of suggestions to help US manufacturing (and no it’s not an “industrial policy” with all the baggage that entails). 1) Cut the corporate tax rate in half. Pay for the cut with reductions in government programs. 2) Repeal Sarbannes-Oxley. It didn’t stop the bubble nor prevent Madoff, it’s a worthless job killer, 3) Repeal every OSHA regulation passed in the last 5 years, and maybe make that in the last 10. No we don’t want people killed at work, but you have to admit we’ve gone overboard. 4) Admit that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a scam. And that description is being kind. Don’t participate in ANY multilateral agreements to “stop global warming.” Deal with consequences if it actually does happen. Prevention is way too expensive. 5) No bailouts, just bankruptcy. It will kill the unions, and it should. They’ve murdered several of our industries so fair is fair. 6) Drill here, drill now. And so on...


5 posted on 02/17/2009 5:23:09 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: BfloGuy

Surely there must be a list of this vast array of made in America goods.


6 posted on 02/17/2009 5:24:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

Maybe we could go to Walmart and look? hehe


7 posted on 02/17/2009 5:27:11 PM PST by nyconse
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To: mountainlion

Buffalo Muzzie boy make Buffalo muzzie girl’s head become “detached” by removing the girl’s head.

The headline is: “Hassan Chop.”

Buffalo, beer drinkers paradise


8 posted on 02/17/2009 5:30:02 PM PST by reefdiver (How do you keep the Conservative a Conservative, in Washington DC ?)
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To: cripplecreek

Here;http://www.madeinusa.org/?OVRAW=tools%2520made%2520in%2520the%2520USA&OVKEY=made%2520in%2520usa&OVMTC=advanced&OVADID=7604591011&OVKWID=45631385511


9 posted on 02/17/2009 5:31:17 PM PST by kickonly88
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To: BfloGuy
Doesn’t the United States make anything anymore?

Sure. Sub Prime loans and crappy cars.

10 posted on 02/17/2009 5:33:21 PM PST by TADSLOS
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To: nyconse
I’m so tired of the free traitor argument that we do make stuff here...play games with the statistics...take a trip to any store...try and find American goods...lies, damn lies and government statistical lies.

Yes, we have stopped making low margin retail goods. We make high margin value added goods.

You have a problem with that?

11 posted on 02/17/2009 5:34:54 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: BfloGuy

Didn’t they relabel fast food jobs as manufacturing jobs?


12 posted on 02/17/2009 5:41:08 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: TADSLOS; All
Doesn’t the United States make anything anymore?

Sure, Sub Prime loans and crappy cars.


Go drive a Cadillac CTS and then tell me about crappy cars!
13 posted on 02/17/2009 5:41:11 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: TADSLOS

Thought I read somewhere we were the world’s largest producer of pornography


14 posted on 02/17/2009 5:46:23 PM PST by gatorhead
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To: BfloGuy

We might assemble things here, but I guarantee most of what is assembled has parts made in other countries.

There is a difference in “made” and “assembled”.


15 posted on 02/17/2009 5:47:28 PM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: nyconse
Time to play "read the article":

America makes things that other countries can’t. Today, “Made in USA” is more likely to be stamped on heavy equipment or the circuits that go inside other products than the TVs, toys, clothes and other items found on store shelves.

16 posted on 02/17/2009 5:49:08 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: TADSLOS

You forgot about the houses............the houses built by illegals, sold to illegals at a price they can’t afford, which will end up being paid for by welfare which comes from your tax dollars, with a crappy car thrown in so they can drive down to the social subsities office to collect their food stamps to pay for their gas and food. And on and on and on and on.................until?

So don’t forget about our housing industry being our main manufacturing base now days.........K.


17 posted on 02/17/2009 5:49:29 PM PST by biff
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To: BfloGuy

We make a lot of firearms, ammunition, and accessories here in the U.S., and that market segment is doing very well right now, thank you very much.


18 posted on 02/17/2009 5:50:02 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: BfloGuy
Here you go:

Still made in the USA

19 posted on 02/17/2009 5:50:40 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: TADSLOS

NAh - aircraft of all type, military (the best, of course) and Commercial

CAT - nuf sed

Kimber (why not?)

All kinds of locomotive and rail cars (GE, EMD, etc)

Kitchen Aid, Pyrex products - the list could go on and on -

What we don’t make anymore is the kind of cheap-aSS comsumer goods found in low-end stores, like say - WallyWOrld....


20 posted on 02/17/2009 5:51:13 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: Strategerist

Baloney, I heard that argument from free traitors way back when...we would make the hard, the important stuff...really then why did the US government award a contract for a military transport plane worth billions and billions to air bus?...manufacturing is in the toilet and this country is paying the price...One Ohio company same one that wrote the Dear GM letter sells only Japanese circuits. A made in Japan stamp is even more likely to be stamped on circuits.


21 posted on 02/17/2009 5:54:44 PM PST by nyconse
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To: ASOC

This is a truly pitiful list...railroad cars? Look at the trade deficit this says it all.


22 posted on 02/17/2009 5:57:06 PM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse

Pitiful is in the eye of the be-holder - just chipping in my 2c worth. I’m sure if I wanted to waste more time, the list would be longer - but, not today.

BTW, the BoT payments figures reflects mostly OIL money going overseas.

You may believe what you will.

Others may have a different view point, it is a free country after all.

Have fun today, they may tax it tomorrow.


23 posted on 02/17/2009 6:01:32 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: ASOC

Anyone who says American manufacturing is healthy has a political point of view that blinds them to the truth...there is very little manufacturing in this country and it’s ruining the country...the consumption economy is a bad joke.


24 posted on 02/17/2009 6:05:09 PM PST by nyconse
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To: ASOC

The trade imbalance with China does not reflect oil...if this continues we will become a dependent pathetic country...also enriching China is a very bad idea...in terms of national security.


25 posted on 02/17/2009 6:06:26 PM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse
take a trip to any store

What are you buying in stores that you think should be made in the US? Besides, most of the equipment used in other countries to make products they send to us is made in the US. (high-grade precision robots, laser cutters, etc.)

26 posted on 02/17/2009 6:06:37 PM PST by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum

I think we should make everything. Why should we have allowed whole industries to be destroyed in this country?...electronics, steel, garments, furniture and now cars...it’s bad for the country. No other country in the world is as stupid as the US...they have trade barriers in place to protect their industry. Free trade is one sided and exists only in the US...we will soon be a joke...can’t even take care of ourselves...in terms of national security, it’s a disaster.


27 posted on 02/17/2009 6:09:17 PM PST by nyconse
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To: BfloGuy
Under our new Saviour Messiah Dictator President we will make the following:

Reparations
Amends
Peace with every nation that will continue to hate and try to destroy us
Excuses

Uh, the initials were unintentional. Unless it hints at what Obama will do to us and our freedoms.
28 posted on 02/17/2009 6:10:52 PM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: thefrankbaum

Where will the jobs of the future come from...McDonalds or Walmart? We are losing millions and millions of jobs and have no way to replace these lost jobs with new jobs...we are going to end up with socialism thanks to free trade because all the benefits that used to come with a paycheck are gone...Free trade is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on this country.


29 posted on 02/17/2009 6:11:54 PM PST by nyconse
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To: RKV

I agree with you, but I am amused by people who say we should take lessons from the Japanese — a country whose economy has been in the toilet for over a decade. :)

Of course after 8 years of Obamanomics, we’ll wish we were living in Japan.


30 posted on 02/17/2009 6:17:56 PM PST by rom (Obama '12 slogan: Let's keep on hopin'!)
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To: nyconse
I think we should make everything.

Why? There is a ton of crap I have zero desire to be made here. If I can get a good pair of blue jeans stitched together by someone in Thailand or China, does that really hurt me? Especially if we're the ones making the sewing machines and programs that actually do the work?

No other country in the world is as stupid as the US...they have trade barriers in place to protect their industry.

Who? I don't see trade barriers in other countries. Most of them subsidize their industries - I certainly don't advocate that.

can’t even take care of ourselves...in terms of national security, it’s a disaster.

What basics are we missing that leave us vulnerable, other than oil? We have food, guns, ammo, aircraft, ships, pharmaceuticals...

31 posted on 02/17/2009 6:19:14 PM PST by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: nyconse
Where will the jobs of the future come from...McDonalds or Walmart? We are losing millions and millions of jobs and have no way to replace these lost jobs with new jobs

GE. Microsoft. IBM. Colt. General Dynamics. Proctor & Gamble. ADM. Merck.

32 posted on 02/17/2009 6:22:16 PM PST by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: TADSLOS
Sure. Sub Prime loans and crappy cars.

And crappy reality shows.

33 posted on 02/17/2009 6:23:53 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: BfloGuy

no it’s cheaper to buy it all


34 posted on 02/17/2009 6:24:40 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: nyconse

Besides, explain to me what the British, French, Italians and Germans make that we don’t? You know, since they are some of the largest world economies?


35 posted on 02/17/2009 6:25:12 PM PST by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: BfloGuy

buy juicy couture-—very cute and made in America


36 posted on 02/17/2009 6:25:35 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: RKV

“And you know what? If we were smart, we’d make even more of our own goods. AND it wouldn’t be that hard to make happen. Now you’re saying “wait just a minute.” Well, here’s my plan - we don’t put Buy American into legislation and get into trouble with our trading partners. We take a lesson from the Japanese. Huh? you say? Well, here it is... It is too expensive to manufacture many goods in the US. That doesn’t have to be so, because while American workers are expensive relative to some others, we are VERY productive. So, marginal improvements in the legal and tax environment can bring big increases in our manufacturing sector. More jobs for Americans, and a better balance of trade. Here’s a couple of suggestions to help US manufacturing (and no it’s not an “industrial policy” with all the baggage that entails). 1) Cut the corporate tax rate in half. Pay for the cut with reductions in government programs. 2) Repeal Sarbannes-Oxley. It didn’t stop the bubble nor prevent Madoff, it’s a worthless job killer, 3) Repeal every OSHA regulation passed in the last 5 years, and maybe make that in the last 10. No we don’t want people killed at work, but you have to admit we’ve gone overboard. 4) Admit that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a scam. And that description is being kind. Don’t participate in ANY multilateral agreements to “stop global warming.” Deal with consequences if it actually does happen. Prevention is way too expensive. 5) No bailouts, just bankruptcy. It will kill the unions, and it should. They’ve murdered several of our industries so fair is fair. 6) Drill here, drill now. And so on...

bump!!


37 posted on 02/17/2009 6:25:36 PM PST by John Galt's cousin ("Gutsiest move I've ever seen, Mav" (Top Gun, 1986) Thanks for finding Palin for us.)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, forgot about those, but then, I never watch ‘em, so I tend not to notice.


38 posted on 02/17/2009 6:26:48 PM PST by TADSLOS
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To: nyconse

We make more steel than ever. But we make it now with the mini-mills which are very flexible in what they can make. However, that also means that a hundred workers can do what used to take 10,000 workers to do.

Garments?? Textiles have always followed the path to the cheapest labor. Even now textiles are fleeing Asian labor costs for parts of Africa. In a few more decades, I would guess that Africa will then lose their textile industry to robotics as it gets cheap enough.

No matter, you should be happy with the current govt. It’s pretty much a guarantee that they’ll repeat the joys of the 30’s and launch a trade war. The law of comparative advantage is the least understood economic concept and it’s why humanity repeatedly shoots itself in the foot on economic matters.


39 posted on 02/17/2009 6:27:46 PM PST by LenS
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To: TADSLOS

And where we used to be the source of great swing music and jazz, now our primary musical export is gangsta rap.


40 posted on 02/17/2009 6:28:29 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: thefrankbaum

France also makes cars, steel and have such companies as Air bus (subsidized). They see manufacturing as key to the future.

In recent months, the French government has pressed plans to nurture “strategic sectors” by offering a €2 billion aid package for projects including clean cars, new medicines and nanotechnology. In coming weeks, Finance Minister Thierry Breton will get the ball rolling by establishing the agency that will oversee projects lasting several years.

France also plans a clutch of investment funds worth €250 million to nurture start-up companies and encourage them to stay in France rather than seek capital abroad, where foreign firms could pilfer homegrown technologies. French officials say these projects will focus on defense, national security and computing.

A third arm of France’s effort focuses on creating rivals to biotechnology hubs like Cambridge in Britain. The government is running a competition for the most innovative regional and municipal proposals. It must now sort through 105 applications - far more than expected - for a slice of a €750 million pie. Candidates will be short-listed in April and Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin will approve the winners before summer.


41 posted on 02/17/2009 6:37:08 PM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse

So, in short, you are a socialist who wants politicians to allocate capital?


42 posted on 02/17/2009 6:38:16 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: LenS

Unlikely...both Dems and GOP are misguided concerning free trade...although, GOP has it hung around their neck...which is why they lost the Mid West in 2008.


43 posted on 02/17/2009 6:38:39 PM PST by nyconse
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To: BfloGuy
some 20% of global output.

And yet we have a trade deficit with the communist Chinese and they own our debt! Soon to own commercial and residential real estate! America doesn't belong to Americans anymore, because of the corrupt globalists in our government.

I for one am tired of the globalist 'free traders' complaining about us. We have had just about enough of "free trade" and the looting that it does to our domestic economy.

America does still make something I'll admit. We make transnationalists and globalists rich. Everybody else is screwed.
44 posted on 02/17/2009 6:42:08 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Ron Jeremy

I would say you are the socialist because you want to eliminate good jobs which will surely lead to socialism...it always amuses me when those who advocate trade with COMMUNIST CHINA call others socialist...In fact many of the great discoveries of the 20th century were made during government partnership with business ( man on the moon for example)...how can you ask an American company to compete with a subsidized foreign company...really competing with countries...especially with the one sided trade agreements in place.


45 posted on 02/17/2009 6:42:28 PM PST by nyconse
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To: LenS
We make more steel than ever

We do? Is that why the largest operating steel plant in the country, in Oregon, is looking for a Russian buyer?
46 posted on 02/17/2009 6:43:31 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Ron Jeremy

Also, it sure makes more sense to help fund science and technology and create wealth then make welfare payments to the unemployed which is what is happening under your free trade nonsense.


47 posted on 02/17/2009 6:44:44 PM PST by nyconse
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To: LenS

We do not make more steel then ever...free trade has destroyed an entire region...the Mid West. If the Dems ever get smart and advocate American first...the GOP is doomed.


48 posted on 02/17/2009 6:46:37 PM PST by nyconse
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To: rom

Well, yhe Japanese lesson I had in mind was that manufacturing was good, that’s all.


49 posted on 02/17/2009 6:47:22 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: nyconse; Ron Jeremy
you want to eliminate good jobs which will surely lead to socialism

Of course socialism is the end game of "free trade". It was the stated goal of the Manchester school and other socialist schools of thought in Britain, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying.

They knew if you put domestic producers and laborers out of business in favor of global 'low cost' trade, that the now out of work workers would be easy to convert to socialism. We have seen this method demonstrated in Britain, big time, and every free thinking person mourns the loss of that country to socialism, except the Saudis, who are using the domestic disruption socialism causes to their advantage.
50 posted on 02/17/2009 6:49:40 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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