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Radio chip coming soon to your driver's license?
http://wnd.com ^ | February 28, 2009 | By Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/01/2009 3:12:39 PM PST by Lucky9teen

Privacy advocates are issuing warnings about a new radio chip plan that ultimately could provide electronic identification for every adult in the U.S. and allow agents to compile attendance lists at anti-government rallies simply by walking through the assembly.

The proposal, which has earned the support of Janet Napolitano, the newly chosen chief of the Department of Homeland Security, would embed radio chips in driver's licenses, or "enhanced driver's licenses."

"Enhanced driver's licenses give confidence that the person holding the card is the person who is supposed to be holding the card, and it's less elaborate than REAL ID," Napolitano said in a Washington Times report.

REAL ID is a plan for a federal identification system standardized across the nation that so alarmed governors many states have adopted formal plans to oppose it. However, a privacy advocate today told WND that the EDLs are many times worse.

Radio talk show host and identity chip expert Katherine Albrecht said REAL ID earned the opposition of Christians because of its resemblance to the biblical "mark of the beast," civil libertarians opposed it for its "big brother" connotations and others worried about identity theft issues with the proposed databases.

"We got rid of the REAL ID program, but [this one] is way more insidious," she said.

Enhanced driver's licenses have built-in radio chips providing an identifying number or information that can be accessed by a remote reading unit while the license is inside a wallet or purse.

The technology already had been implemented in Washington state, where it is promoted as an alternative to a passport for traveling to Canada. So far, the program is optional.

But there are other agreements already approved with Michigan, Vermont, New York and Arizona, and plans are under way in other states, including Texas, she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; chip; driverslicense
Um.....no way...

They have a poll, but you have to have a WND account.
http://forums.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=344

1 posted on 03/01/2009 3:12:39 PM PST by Lucky9teen
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To: Lucky9teen

Texas on the list???? Geezz


2 posted on 03/01/2009 3:14:38 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Lucky9teen

But of course these enhanced drivers licenses will not be required to vote...


3 posted on 03/01/2009 3:16:19 PM PST by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Imagine if they were all wrapped in aluminum foil? The jackboots would walk through the crowd and be stumped.


4 posted on 03/01/2009 3:17:10 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Lucky9teen
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/01/weapons_the_rfi.html

http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/10/08/rfid-zapper

http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/static/r/f/i/RFID-Zapper(EN)_77f3.html

5 posted on 03/01/2009 3:18:58 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: raybbr

Eggs Ackley my thoughts too! Faraday wallets!


6 posted on 03/01/2009 3:21:12 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Lucky9teen

Sadly, this is but one of many initiatives Hussein and his high-tech Islamo-Stalinists are contemplating.

This is not the system I swore to defend and protect. We need a U.S. Franco to sweep away the liberal fascist vermin and their s**t.


7 posted on 03/01/2009 3:25:44 PM PST by libsmacker75
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To: Lucky9teen
This is for our own good, to protect us from all things evil.......... and the sheeple will think it is a good idea....

This scares the you know what out of me....

8 posted on 03/01/2009 3:28:20 PM PST by Kimmers (Working hard so Obamas friends don't have to)
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To: raybbr

What about putting the drivers licence in the microwave for 5 seconds?


9 posted on 03/01/2009 3:28:22 PM PST by unkus
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To: unkus

And if you’re caught doing it Hussein Obongo and his thugs will put YOU in a microwave oven.


10 posted on 03/01/2009 3:29:15 PM PST by libsmacker75
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Faraday wallets are already available.

My favorite is the baseball cap as it is less obvious than regular tin foil hats.
11 posted on 03/01/2009 3:33:45 PM PST by dmcnash (Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes!)
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To: unkus
A good, old-fashioned bulk eraser, just like DJ's used to use in radio stations. Zap it with EM for a few seconds. It'll depolarize the whole thing and render it inert.


12 posted on 03/01/2009 3:35:46 PM PST by Viking2002 (The Occupation has begun. God help America.)
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To: Lucky9teen

I gotta wonder how stupid thinks it’s easier to make sure the person holding the license is the person the license belongs to. Unless there’s a matching chip embedded in the person, there’s no way to ensure the right person has the right license. Napolitano is a dummie..........


13 posted on 03/01/2009 3:37:49 PM PST by phoenix07
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To: Lucky9teen
Enhanced driver's licenses have built-in radio chips providing an identifying number or information that can be accessed by a remote reading unit while the license is inside a wallet or purse.

What they're trying to say is that they can read your driver's license without your permission. They could just use bar codes like some states already do, but then they'd have to ask the license owner permission to read their card. Protest and the state will give you their pat answer, "well, don't get one then". This will last as long as it takes for someone to hack the RFIDs.

14 posted on 03/01/2009 3:43:22 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Viking2002

Where can a bulk eraser be found?
After the deed is done, it would be best just to plead ignorant.


15 posted on 03/01/2009 3:43:25 PM PST by unkus
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To: Lucky9teen

Oh yes way.

Compile attendance lists at anti-government rallies? You Betcha. They will do this. They have to have full control. No fight. No guns. No freedom. No jobs.

And they accuse the right of being the “no” party?


16 posted on 03/01/2009 3:46:05 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: unkus
ERASETRACK™ BULK ERASER U5000

We can take up a collection :)

17 posted on 03/01/2009 3:46:15 PM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Lucky9teen

as long as they become required to cast a vote- I’m in

If not, stuff them


18 posted on 03/01/2009 3:46:26 PM PST by silverleaf (Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose")
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To: Lucky9teen

In Washington State, not only does the enhanced lkicense have the radio antella, your photo is also one of the new biometic ID varieties. Anybody know any ways to render them useless?


19 posted on 03/01/2009 3:48:07 PM PST by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: Lucky9teen

Damn RFID chips... always getting burned up and becoming non-functional. Damn!


20 posted on 03/01/2009 3:49:13 PM PST by upchuck (I'm glad I'm old. Thus I can remember when America was a decent, moral, God fearing country.)
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To: Viking2002
I don't think this is at all the same technology as is used in anti-theft tags (which, you are correct, could be rendered inert this way).

The RFID tags I've seen from 1990 on generally store energy from a received RF burst and emit an RF signal, typically conveying a fixed unique N-bit code. A microwave oven *might* damage these; a mini-EMP generator could also (I am guessing).

21 posted on 03/01/2009 3:50:45 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Tax the rich" fails if the rich won't play)
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To: libsmacker75

how about a hammer?


22 posted on 03/01/2009 3:51:26 PM PST by alfie (peace through superior firepower)
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To: Lucky9teen

Tape the license to some one elses vehicle. Take the hit on the fine if caught driving without one. “oops it must have fallen out of my wallet/purse, officer.”

Pay for a new one (expensive, I know) Repeat often enuff to mess with the thought police.


23 posted on 03/01/2009 3:52:25 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: mewzilla

Large, powerful magnet work just as well?


24 posted on 03/01/2009 3:53:04 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: unkus
Try eBay.


25 posted on 03/01/2009 3:53:42 PM PST by Viking2002 (The Occupation has begun. God help America.)
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To: unkus
Where can a bulk eraser be found?

Radio Shack. Bought one there a few years back. But see my caveat on this thread.

26 posted on 03/01/2009 3:54:44 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Tax the rich" fails if the rich won't play)
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To: sionnsar
Like I said, a hand-held bulk eraser -which is just a rudimentary EM generator - should fry the bejeezus out of any chip if you hit it long enough. I'd think it would scramble the eggs of any data coded into it.


27 posted on 03/01/2009 4:00:28 PM PST by Viking2002 (The Occupation has begun. God help America.)
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To: Viking2002

Strong fields but very low frequency. The chip’s antenna might not pick up enough energy.


28 posted on 03/01/2009 4:05:18 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Tax the rich" fails if the rich won't play)
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To: unkus
What about putting the drivers licence in the microwave for 5 seconds?

I dunno. I think the combination of microwaves and RFID might accidentally signal a far off galaxy that we are willing to go to war with them. Might not be a good idea.

29 posted on 03/01/2009 4:07:51 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Lucky9teen
What's in YOUR wallet?

30 posted on 03/01/2009 4:10:53 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: Lucky9teen
FROM Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID

In 2006, RFID tags were included in new US passports. The US produced 10 million passports in 2005, and it has been estimated that 13 million will be produced in 2006. The chips will store the same information that is printed within the passport and will also include a digital picture of the owner. The US State Department initially stated the chips could only be read from a distance of 10 cm (4 in), but after widespread criticism and a clear demonstration that special equipment can read the test passports from 10 meters (33 ft) away, the passports were designed to incorporate a thin metal lining to make it more difficult for unauthorized readers to "skim" information when the passport is closed. (My comments: Except government "authorized" scanners.)

Thirty-three (33) feet is just about the distance from the center line of a roadway to the curb. I would suppose that means with slight modifications, these new RFID (Radio Frequency IDentification) tags could be scanned from any vehicle parked or moving or a stationary "receiver" at the side of any roadway and with a bit of tweaking from the side of any HIGHWAY. That way, the movement of anyone carrying a driver's license could be REMOTELY tracked.

Welcome to Obamaland.

31 posted on 03/01/2009 4:20:09 PM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Just because it is on your license does not mean that you have to carry it everywhere you go.

If you happen to go to a rally, leave your license in your car. Scan the crowd all you want, but if nothing shows. What or who went to the rally.


32 posted on 03/01/2009 4:20:33 PM PST by aps
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To: pyx

Big Brother is scanning you.


33 posted on 03/01/2009 4:25:04 PM PST by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot child is in charge!)
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To: Lucky9teen
Privacy advocates are issuing warnings about a new radio chip plan that ultimately could provide electronic identification for every adult in the U.S. and allow agents to compile attendance lists at anti-government rallies simply by walking through the assembly. I'll have to remember not to bring my DL to those kinds of events.
34 posted on 03/01/2009 4:26:51 PM PST by NeoConfederate
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To: Lucky9teen

Don’t worry, all those people who have their panties in a knot over intercepting enemy communications will be leading the charge against this. Any minute now. Coming right up. Just another second before they begin...


35 posted on 03/01/2009 4:30:29 PM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Lucky9teen
Get us dependent on the chip for all fiduciary transactions. Strictly for tax and national security purposes only. sleeeeeeeep.....

Calamity and Crisis !!!!!!! the cards chips fail. EMP hackers etc...

Success!!!! the implant chip is fail proof! ....... sleeeeeeeeeep.....

36 posted on 03/01/2009 4:36:56 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology)
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To: libsmacker75
"We need a U.S. Franco to sweep away the liberal fascist vermin and their s**t."

I'm slightly confused. Do you mean General Franco as in the Spanish civil war General Franco?

Because I don't think our own version of the Spanish civil war is the cure for what ails us...communists versus (Franco-led) fascists...not much of a choice.

37 posted on 03/01/2009 4:40:40 PM PST by Dan Middleton
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To: Lucky9teen
They have a poll, but you have to have a WND account.

I stopped reading the article when I saw "WND".

38 posted on 03/01/2009 4:42:07 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: Lucky9teen

It looks to me like another in a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evincing a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism...


39 posted on 03/01/2009 4:43:43 PM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Beware of geeks bearing grifts)
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To: Lucky9teen

**REAL ID earned the opposition of Christians because of its resemblance to the biblical “mark of the beast,” **

First thing I thought of.


40 posted on 03/01/2009 4:50:03 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Just wondering,if you put one of these licenses in a microwave oven for a few seconds,wouldn`t that fry the chips?That`d be a pity,any other ideas on how that could happen?
41 posted on 03/01/2009 4:56:02 PM PST by nomad
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To: holyscroller
Anybody know any ways to render them useless?

Don't get an enhanced license. The Washington enhanced license is offered as an alternative to using a passport for crossing into Canada via car or boat. It is intended for people that make frequent trips and want an appropriate ID to put in their wallet.

If you don't want/need an enhanced license for border crossing, don't get one. The regular Washington license is a run of the mill variety license.

42 posted on 03/01/2009 5:10:54 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: raybbr

Raybbr are you doing a Vulcan mind scan on me? I had the tinfoil idea at the same time.
Think I’ll carry one of those cattle eartag radios in my wallet along with tinfoil DL. “Uh, we have Mr. Moo in the third row waving the Join or Die flag”.


43 posted on 03/01/2009 5:12:02 PM PST by dusttoyou (HNIC Prime Minister Hitlery)
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To: Lucky9teen

How does this interact with the 4A?

It has already been established that IR scans to detect pot growing operations are illegal.

Now there is the fine point of law that you already know about the RFID chip in the license or passport and it could turn out that a passport is legal and a license not, but those RFID scanners can work a distances greater than 33 feet.

I just plain don’t like the idea of being identified at a distance by the government.


44 posted on 03/01/2009 7:22:04 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Lucky9teen

bttt


45 posted on 03/01/2009 7:39:33 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: CurlyDave
How does this interact with the 4A?

Interesting question. I wouldn't be surprised if the government argument would be based on the license being property of the government.

Reasonable expectation of privacy and free movement would be the counter to that argument.

46 posted on 03/01/2009 9:16:59 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Lucky9teen

Anvil. Hammer. Solved.


47 posted on 03/02/2009 9:08:14 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: alfie

Much better. LOL


48 posted on 03/02/2009 7:27:33 PM PST by libsmacker75
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To: Dan Middleton

History has been unfair to Franco. He has been pigeon-holed as a fascist by the tenured Marxists who dominate “higher education.”

Franco stopped a Communist revolution. Lamentably, given the unique circumstances of the 1930s, he also had no choice but to make an accommodation with Hitler. This was a pragmatic decision to protect a modicum of independence for Spain.

In the end, Franco stamped out Communism. Was he, at times, brutal? Undoubtedly. But sometimes you have to be brutal when stamping out an inhuman internal enemy—precisely what we’re facing in this country.


49 posted on 03/02/2009 7:35:23 PM PST by libsmacker75
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To: Lucky9teen

Give me a ticket for “No License In Possession”!


50 posted on 03/02/2009 7:38:03 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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