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Hollister v Soetoro DISMISSED (US DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA - 3/5/09)
scribd ^ | 3/5/2009 | rxisd

Posted on 03/05/2009 1:52:30 PM PST by rxsid

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To: usmcobra
Just out of curiosity, where is the harm as you see it in Obama actually producing his original birth certificate?

None, except bother, I suppose. He's shown all he needs to show to prove eligibility, so why should he do anything else?

And why hasn’t the senate passed a resolution for Obama like the one they did for McCain that Obama was an contributor to?

Because there isn't any need for one. No one except a lunatic fringe is concerned with his eligibility.

301 posted on 03/06/2009 5:36:55 PM PST by curiosity
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To: DJ MacWoW

He has an agenda, I doubt very seriously that he is a conservative. Has been a member here for a little over a month all his posts have been to defend Obama.


302 posted on 03/06/2009 5:37:26 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
He's produced 2 different Colb's that do not resemble one another.

No, he hasn't. There's absolutely nothing inconsistent between the scanned image of the certificate and the photographs taken of it. So I don't see how you get that they don't resemble one another.


303 posted on 03/06/2009 5:37:30 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: Michael Michael
So you cite a Washington Post reporter in support of McCain with regard to someone having seen McCain's birth certificate, but dismiss the fact that people from Fact Check saw and photographed Obama's because Fact Check is lefty.

Obama worked for Annenberg and they would cover for him. He and Ayers are tied to Annenberg. WaPo has no love for McCain. It is much more impressive that an "enemy" defends you than a friend.

304 posted on 03/06/2009 5:38:57 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Josephat
To let this go on for as long as it has and tie up courts all over the country, including the Supreme Court, because “he doesn't have to” is preposterous.

People would continue to file these lawsuits no matter what documents he produced. You seem to conveniently forget that at least half of the lawsuits are challanging his eligibility for reasons unrelated to his place of birth.

That's why his legal strategy is to file for motions to dismiss.

305 posted on 03/06/2009 5:39:20 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
He's shown all he needs to show to prove eligibility, so why should he do anything else?

Oh, just to make the little issue that millions in the country doubt his eligibility go away. Must not be important to you?

306 posted on 03/06/2009 5:41:18 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
In America, the people are the voice, not the government.

America is a REPUBLIC. We exercise our voice at the voting booth when we elect those who represent the people.

Any elected official has to answer to the people.

Only insofar as their getting elected or re-elected is concerned.


307 posted on 03/06/2009 5:41:25 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: Michael Michael

Thank you, the link worked.


308 posted on 03/06/2009 5:45:04 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: curiosity
So it's sufficient to get a passport, but not sufficient to prove birth in the US.

A passport is not the same level as being President.

You don't seem to care about logic. I'm obviously wasting my time.

You aren't being logical and you are wasting your time. I take this seriously.

309 posted on 03/06/2009 5:45:28 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: curiosity

What an Obama and Romney supporter you are.

Despite what you wrongly state, if Obama had a BC
proving he was a natural citizen he would not have
needed an ex parte meeting to cover it up.

and he would not have needed multiple million dollar
suits to cover up something he could have produce for $10.

and he would not have needed his legion of liars.


310 posted on 03/06/2009 5:45:36 PM PST by Diogenesis ("All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities." - Dune)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Thanks, got it.


311 posted on 03/06/2009 5:46:06 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: TruthWillWin
Oh, just to make the little issue that millions in the country doubt his eligibility go away.

First of all, I doubt the number of people who care about this issue is in the millions.

Second of all, it wouldn't go away no matter what he showed them. If someone showed a judge the vault copy of his BC, the birthers would find some way to argue the judge was in on the conspiracy and not to be trusted. If he posted an image of the vault copy on the Internet, some anonymous guy with a phony Ph.D. would write a 200 page treatise claiming to have "conclusive proof" it was a forgery.

Even if he could, by some miracle, convince the entire birther fringe that the BC was geninue, they'd be filing lawsuits claiming he is ineligible because his Father was Kenyan, or because he lived in Indonesia, or some other half-baked nonsense.

The simple answer as to why he hasn't done more to satisfy the birthers is there's no satisfying them.

312 posted on 03/06/2009 5:51:18 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

But we are talking about the ultimate proof of his citizenship here, not some created in 2007 computerized facsimile.

Where is the harm in showing a simple sheet of paper that states what you claim is true.

President Bush surrendered his entire medical, dental, pay and service records on the hint that he might have been absent during his national guard service, a story to this day has yet to be proved.

That’s transparency, the press poured over every document trying to find a single shred of evidence to Convict Bush of a crime even the military wasn’t aware of, and in the end the best they could do was forge a memo that didn’t last through a day’s scrutiny

It would appear that Obama cannot dare reveal who he is on the same level that George W. Bush has done.


313 posted on 03/06/2009 5:52:29 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: curiosity
birthers?

WTF is it with you RomneyBOTs? Why the love for Obama?
Why did you work to put him in Office and defend him now?

"Romney supporter turned Obama man Douglas Kmiec indulged in quite a litany of name-calling,
finger pointing and demagoguery against the GOP that would have been amazing from the same man only one year ago.
Kmiec has shown that he no longer cares much how he is viewed, going full Democrat Partisan at this point.
"

"Kmiec was named by Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney
to head the Romney for President Committee
on the Courts and the Constitution in 2007."

314 posted on 03/06/2009 5:54:22 PM PST by Diogenesis ("All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities." - Dune)
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To: curiosity
He's shown all he needs to show to prove eligibility,

1) When , where, and to whom?
2) Why can't we demand to see this proof, since he's a public official, and it's a requirement for public office? We're certainly allowed to see private information (weapons permits, etc) for our fellow citizens since they're public records.

so why should he do anything else?

1) To avoid paying millions in legal fees defending 22 lawsuits.
2) To settle this issue which seems to have a few million citizens quite concerned about the security of their country.
3) As an educational exercise, since it has never been an issue before, and it would be an interesting isight into the vetting process for the most important job in the world. Invite a Discovery Channel crew to do a special on it, and have some Obama spokesfolk to guide them through it, peppering in positive pro-Obama pap throughout. Assuming that he's in the clear, this should be a no-brainer way to get some good free PR.

Since he's already "bothered" by nearly two dozen lawsuits, plus states changing their election rules, he might as well do SOMETHING to end such bother, don't you think? Or, as President, is he simply helpless to think of such simple and positive solutions to turn a negative issue into a positive result?

315 posted on 03/06/2009 5:56:10 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: DJ MacWoW
He didn't see what people have been claiming is McCain's birth certificate.

Where do you get that?


From the fact that the birth certificates people have been claiming are McCain's show him to have been born someplace other than where the birth certificate shown to the Washington Post reporter says he was born.

Sounds to me like he knows exactly what was going on.

And I'm just trying to tell the people who keep tossing up the Lamb documents what's going on and that they're not anything that was provided by McCain.

Google "John McCain's birth certificate" and see what comes up.

What comes up are Lamb's documents, which again disagree with both what McCain claims and what the Washington Post reporter reports.

Even Obama's Colb was forged on Kos by Jay McKinnon. Google that too.

No it wasn't. All McKinnon did was take the document posted on Kos and pasted over Obama's information and re-posted it.

Fact Check is in Chicago. They also have ties to Obama. Close ones. Does the name Annenberg ring any bells?

You didn't answer the question. I asked who other than Fact Check bothered to go to Obama's campaign headquarters in Chicago and ask to see the original document?

A Colb is a short form and is not reliable.

No less reliable as to place of birth than the long form.


316 posted on 03/06/2009 5:56:29 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: Michael Michael
America is a REPUBLIC. We exercise our voice at the voting booth when we elect those who represent the people.

You, sir, are ignorant of history. We may be a representative republic but we also have the right to be heard. Anything else would mean that we are ruled. Read the First and Ninth Amendments.

317 posted on 03/06/2009 5:58:29 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: curiosity
First of all, I doubt the number of people who care about this issue is in the millions.

If two states are changing their election rules because of this issue, I think it's safe to say that "millions" are wondering about it.

318 posted on 03/06/2009 6:00:24 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: DJ MacWoW
The computer-generated “Certification of Live Birth” is used by the state of Hawaii IN LIEU OF the “Certificate of Live Birth,”

A Certification of Live Birth is a certified copy of a Certificate of Live Birth.

For verification purposes, however, the “Certification of Live Birth” does not indicate which birth record “root document(s)” that the Certification is based upon.

The root document is a Certificate of Live Birth. As a Certificate of Live Birth is the only "Live Birth" document produced.


319 posted on 03/06/2009 6:00:31 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: Michael Michael
The Hawaii Department of Health web site says: “The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii.”

Also, Hawaii allows residents to register foreign-born infants as being born in Hawaii: Hawaiian Law §338-17.8 says:

Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child… [L 1982, c 182, §1]

320 posted on 03/06/2009 6:08:15 PM PST by Teacher317
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