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The Problems with Socialized Health Care (Nightmare headlines from around the globe)
Liberty Page ^ | 3/07/09

Posted on 03/07/2009 5:55:54 PM PST by Libloather

The Problems with Socialized Health Care

Australia
Australia's universal health care scheme is relatively new (introduced in 1983, which built on the 1974 Medibank program). As with all socialized health care systems, there is a mixture of public versus private care (approximately 30% of Australians also retain private health insurance). As a result, the private patients receive better care than their medicare counterparts.

The salary caps and artificial increase in demand for care that always occur in a national health care system are resulting in predictable physician shortages.

Mental patients face bed shortage
- Clara Pirani, July 4, 2005 [News.com.au]

Public patients wait longer for surgery
- June 29, 2005 [The Sydney Morning Herald]

Painful wait for care
- Luke McIlveen, February 17, 2005 [Herald Sun (Australia)]

Hospitals crippled by poor planning
- Ruth Pollard, December 1, 2004 [Sydney Morning Herald]

Operating theatres shut to save cash as thousands wait for surgery
- Nick O'Malley, November 23, 2004 [Sydney Morning Herald]

Private funds creating 'two-tier' health system
- David Uren, November 3, 2004 [The Australian]

Great Britain
Great Britain's National Health Service (NHS) was created on July 5, 1948. As with all government programs, bureaucrats underestimated initial cost projections. First-year operating costs of NHS were 52 million pounds higher than original estimates1 as Britons saturated the so-called free system. Many decades of shortages, misery and suffering followed until 1989, when some market-based health care competition was reintroduced to the British citizens2.

Unfortunately for those requiring care, a mostly socialist health care system still has problems. The articles and commentaries in this section identify some disasters caused by government intervention in the British health care system.

Only five out of 51 hospital trusts pass hygiene test, say inspectors
- Sarah Boseley, November 24, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

Heart patients dying due to poor hospital care, says report
- Sarah Boseley, June 8, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

NHS dentistry loses almost a million patients after new dentists' contract
- David Rose, June 6, 2008 [The Times]

Private healthcare managers could be sent to turn round failing NHS hospitals
- Philip Webster, Political Editor, and David Rose, June 4, 2008 [The Times]

Cancer patients ‘betrayed’ by NHS
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, June 1, 2008 [The Times]

NHS scandal: dying cancer victim was forced to pay
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, June 1, 2008 [The Times]

Pensioner, 76, forced to pull out own teeth after 12 NHS dentists refuse to treat her
- Olinka Koster, March 26, 2008 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Dental patients face care lottery
- March 26, 2008 [Metro(UK)]

Lung patients 'condemned to death as NHS withdraws their too expensive drugs'
- Jenny Hope, March 24, 2008 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Women in labour turned away by maternity units
- John Carvel, March 21, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

Health inequality has got worse under Labour, says government report
- Andrew Sparrow, March 13, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

Angry GPs reluctantly accept plan for weekend and evening surgeries
- John Carvel, March 7, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

NHS chiefs tell grandmother, 61, she's 'too old' for £5,000 life-saving heart surgery
- Chris Brooke, February 28, 2008 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Patient 'removed' from waiting list to meet target
- January 31, 2008 [The Scotsman]

One in eight patients waiting over a year for treatment, admits minister
- John Carvel, June 8, 2007 [Guardian Unlimited]

Audit Office asked to investigate record £500m NHS underspend
- John Carvel, May 30, 2007 [Guardian Unlimited]

The drugs the NHS won't give you
- May 11, 2007 [Telegraph UK]

UK lagging behind on cancer drug access, study finds
- May 10, 2007 [Guardian Unlimited]

One in six trusts is still putting patients on mixed-sex wards
- Daniel Martin, May 10, 2007 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Specialist stroke care 'lottery'
- May 9, 2007 [BBC News]

Smokers and the obese banned from UK hospitals
- May 2, 2007 [Healthcare News]

Cancer patients told life-prolonging treatment is too expensive for NHS
- Lyndsay Moss, February 13, 2007 [The Scotsman]

UK health service "harms 10 percent of patients"
- Kate Kelland, July 7, 2006 [Reuters]

5,000 elderly 'killed each year' by lack of care beds
- June 26, 2006 [Telegraph UK]

Dental Socialism in Britain
- Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr., May 9, 2006 [LewRockwell.com]

Pay for nurses and surgeons doubles NHS overspend
- Beezy Marsh, Patrick Hennessy and Nina Goswami, April 23, 2006 [Telegraph UK]

The money addicts: it's your cash they are gambling with
- Patience Wheatcroft, April 23, 2006 [Telegraph UK]

NHS chiefs get luxury car deals
- Daniel Foggo and Steven Swinford, April 9, 2006 [The Times]

Secret NHS plan to ration patient care
- Nigel Hawkes, April 7, 2006 [The Times]

British Healthcare To Be Rationed
- April 7, 2006 [United Press International]

British body rejects EPO drugs for cancer patients
- March 17, 2006 [Reuters]

National Health Service - Grappling with Deficits
- March 9, 2006 [Economist.com]

Hundreds wait to register as another dentist quits the NHS
- Martin Williams, September 23, 2005 [The Herald (Scotland)]

Life-saving cancer drugs 'kept from NHS patients by red tape'
- Sam Lister, September 20, 2005 [The Times]

NHS slides into the red despite record increases in health care spending
- September 20, 2005 [Telegraph UK]

Alzheimer's sufferers hit by further delay in NHS approval for vital drugs
- Michael Day, September 18, 2005 [Telegraph UK]

We all pay a price for our 'free' NHS
- John Smith, August 19, 2005 [The Scotsman]

2,000 British doctors out of work
- August 14, 2005 [The Washington Times]

UK health 'unsustainable'
- August 14, 2005 [Finance24]

NHS faces rising bill for negligence claims
- Ben Hall, August 8, 2005 [Financial Times]

British boy to go to India for operation
- August 5, 2005 [United Press International]

NHS failed to stop doctor raping scores of women
- Lois Rogers and Jonathon Carr-Brown, July 31, 2005 [The Times]

Top crimewriter funds drugs for cancer victim refused by NHS
- Martyn Halle, July 8, 2005 [Telegraph UK]

Report says NHS is mired in huge debts
- David Simms, June 25, 2005 [ABC Money (UK)]

U.K. set to restrict smoking
- June 21, 2005 [The Associated Press]

NHS ‘fund bias’ against men may cost 2,500 lives a year
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, June 19, 2005 [The Times]

Doubts on funding NHS 'monuments'
- Nicholas Timmins, June 10, 2005 [Financial Times]

17 million reasons why we must improve hospital meals
- June 7, 2005 [Cambridge Evening News]

Figures show more patients waiting for operations
- June 3, 2005 [Guardian UK]

Scarcity of NHS dental treatment is revealed
- Celia Hall, May 19, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

Why NHS Opposes 'Treatment by Demand' for the Dying
- Stephen Howard and Jan Colley, PA, May 18, 2005 [Scotsman]

800 queue for NHS dentists
- May 5, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

Hundreds more heroin addicts to be given a fix on the NHS
- Nic Fleming, April 25, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

British health service facing nurse exodus
- April 25, 2005 [United Press International]

About 400 patients a year in Scotland succumb to MRSA
- April 25, 2005 [Scotsman]

NHS debts soar to over £1bn
- Karyn Miller, April 24, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

British taxpayers foot $26.5 million bill for abortion tourists
- April 18, 2005 [Catholic World News]

U.K. Liberal Democrats Would Raise Taxes to Pay for Health Care
- Reed Landberg, April 14, 2005 [Bloomberg]

Number of NHS Bureaucrats 'Rising Faster Than Health Staff'
- Joe Churcher, March 22, 2005 [Scotsman]

'£500m hole' in hospital budgets
- Celia Hall, March 21, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

1,000 Scots desert NHS every week
- Murdo Macleod, March 5, 2005 [Scotsman]

British NHS facing financial crisis
- March 3, 2005 [Washington Times]

NHS drugs regulator to withdraw approval of Alzheimer's treatment
- Nicholas Timmins, March 2, 2005 [FT.com - Financial Times]

NHS waiting list rises
- February 11, 2005 [Guardian UK]

Tumour patients hit by NHS shortages
- Jo Revill, February 6, 2005 [Guardian UK]

NHS financial crises set to outlast winter
- Mike Waites, February 4, 2005 [Yorkshire Post]

NHS 24 'priority' callers wait four hours for advice
- Caroline Wilson, January 14, 2005 [Evening Times (UK)]

'No strategy' on NHS waiting time
- January 14, 2005 [BBC]

Output figures show NHS decline
- John Carvel, October 19, 2004 [Guardian UK]

Heart patients die on waiting lists
- Peter Sharples, October 18, 2004 [Manchester Online]

£25bn overspend feared for NHS computer network
- Karen Attwood, October 12, 2004 [telegraph.co.uk]

Gaps in care cost £7bn, says charity
- John Carvel, October 4, 2004 [Guardian UK]

NHS excluding poor people, UK
- September 15, 2004 [Medical News Today]

Smokers 'should not get NHS care'
- September 6, 2004 [BBC News]

Waiting list row blights Brighton
- John Carvel, September 4, 2004 [Guardian UK]

Patients are denied the last rites under data protection law
- Elizabeth Day, July 25, 2004 [telegraph.co.uk]

Shortage of dentists to double by 2011
- John Carvel, July 24, 2004 [Guardian UK]

Britain's stiff upper lip gives way to a snarl
- Sarah Lyall, July 18, 2004 [The New York Times]

Hospital Overcrowding A Cause of Superbug Infections
- John von Radowitz, July 1, 2004 [Scotsman.com]

Hospital Crisis: Fallen Angels
- Lindsay Mcgarvie, May 23, 2004 [Glasgow Sunday Mail]

Study finds British hospitals are still austere, cold, smelly and poorly maintained
- May 6, 2004 [News-Medical.net]

Hospital bathrooms and showers: a continuing saga of inadequacy
- Andy Monro, MRCP & Graham P Mulley, DM, FRCP, May 2004 [Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine]

Majority back public smoking ban
- March 24, 2004 [BBC]

Discrimination Rampant In British Health Care
- Peter Moore, November 17, 2003 [365gay.com]

PERIPATETICS—To the Medical Socialists of All Parties
- Sheldon Richman, September 2003 [FEE.org]

Creeping Privatization?
Shortages of skilled workers, low morale, long queues for services, crumbling facilities and corrupt practises.
- Roland Watson, August 6, 2001 [LewRockwell.com]

The World's Worst HMO
- Stephen D. Moore, November 24, 1999 [Random Thoughts]

Socialized Medicine in Great Britain: Lessons for the Oregon Health Plan
- Professor John Spiers, March 18, 1999 [Cascade Policy Institute]

The Sickbed Which is Socialized British Medicine
- December 23, 1997 [NCPA]

The British Way of Withholding Care
- Harry Schwarz, March 1989 [FEE.org]

Other European Countries

Only six potency pills per month to be covered by Social Insurance Institution
- August 13, 2004 [Helsingin Sanomat]

Hospitals on the verge of a breakdown
Switzerland’s hospitals may be the envy of the world, but rising health costs and patient numbers are increasingly putting the system under strain.
- July 24, 2003 [swissinfo.org]

Sweden Edges Toward Free-Market Medicine
- A. Wess Mitchell, August 31, 2001 [NCPA]

Netherlands aims to tackle health divide
Socioeconomic inequalities remain similar to those in the United Kingdom and Scandinavian countries, despite a sustained effort over 20 years.
- Tony Sheldon, October 13, 2001 [British Medical Journal]

A Hard Lesson About Socialized Medicine
Europeans are now learning some hard facts of life about socialized medicine: there's no such thing as a free lunch.
- September 23, 1996 [CATO]

Paying The Price For Drugs In Europe
Whether they admit it or not, those who advocate 'making drugs more affordable for American seniors' are actually headed down a slippery slope to price controls, free-market analysts charge.
- Stephen D. Moore, July 21, 2000 [NCPA]

Cuba
The Cuban Government has implemented a two-tiered medical system (e.g. "medical apartheid") that caters to foreign tourists while denying native Cubans access to basic medical necessities (at least it is "free" to them). This attempt to draw foreign dollars is one of many programs that were necessary once the Soviet subsidies ended in the early nineties.

Castro's Diet and Exercise Plan
- Ronald Bailey, September 25, 2007 [Reason]

Castro says still in full control after fall
The Communist dictator received prompt medical care to repair his shattered kneecap. He even used his cell phone from the ambulance. If only his countrymen had similar access to service and "evil" capitalist technology...
- Anthony Boadle, October 22, 2004 [Reuters]

La Lucha: The Human Cost of Economic Repression in Cuba
- Patricia Linderman, May 2000 [FEE]

Bad Cuban Medicine
Begging for medicines is common in Havana - next to begging for money to feed children, it is the most common plea...
- Larry Solomon, April 15, 2003 [Capitalism Magazine]

Canada
Parliament unanimously passed the Canada Health Act in 1984 and established a single-payer, publicly-financed health care system. To ensure a true government monopoly (is there any other kind?) Canadian provinces outlawed private health insurance.

Chaoulli v. Quebec UPDATE (June 9, 2005): In a 4 to 3 decision, the Canadian Supreme Court struck down Quebec's law that prohibits private medical insurance.

Surgery postponed indefinitely for 1,000 Kelowna patients
- Cathryn Atkinson, April 8, 2008 [Globe and Mail]

Majority of Que. dentists quit health-care system
- March 27, 2008 [CTV.ca]

Why Ontario keeps sending patients south
- Lisa Priest, February 22, 2008 [Globe and Mail]

Will Socialized Health Care in the US Kill Canadians?
- Don Surber, March 3, 2008 [Acton Institute]

Wait times for surgery, medical treatments at all-time high: report
- October 15, 2007 [CBC News (Canada)]

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
- David Gratzer, Summer 2007 [City Journal]

Cancer patients question why PET scan not covered
- May 28, 2007 [CBC News]

BC Medical Association: Waiting Too Long for Hip and
Knee Surgery Costs $10,000 Per Patient-Maximum Wait Times Should Be No Longer Than 6 Months
- June 28, 2006 [CCN Matthews]

Ont. physician turns away patient for being 55+
- March 17, 2006 [CTV.ca]

Canada inches toward private medicine
- Rebecca Cook Dube, August 8, 2005 [CS Monitor]

Doctor defends private cancer clinic
- Gillian Livingston, July 15, 2005 [Canadian Press]

Dogma trumps truth in health-care issues
- D’Arcy Jenish, July 7, 2005 [Ontario Business News]

Why Canadians Purchase Private Health Insurance
- Walter Williams, June 20, 2005 [Capitalism Magazine]

Doctor welcomes health ruling
- June 9, 2005 [CBC Montreal]

Patients shouldn't wait more than 8 weeks for cardiac defibrillator: experts
- May 24, 2005 [Canadian Press]

Grads fail to slow doctor shortage
- Jennifer O'Brien, May 21, 2005 [London Free Press]

Free Canadian health care comes at cost
- April 10, 2005 [Arkansas Democrat-Gazette]

Canada's drug tab reaches $22 billion, report suggests
- Sheryl Ubelacker, CP, April 6, 2005 [London Free Press]

Canadian health care is free and first-class -- if you can wait
- Beth Duff-Brown, March 19, 2005 [The Associated Press]

Pediatricians, parents warn of shortage of community-based care for children
- Colin Perkel, March 4, 2005 [The Canadian Press]

Access to specialists difficult: study
- February 16, 2005 [CBC Calgary]

Doctor shortages, frustrations vary from region to region, survey shows
- February 15, 2005 [Canada.com]

Montreal leads the country in offering private health care
- Aaron Derfel, February 12, 2005 [Montreal Gazette]

Canada falling short on medical imaging
- February 9, 2005 [Macleans.ca]

Creative incentives required to retain older doctors
- Dr. Charles Shaver, January 20, 2005 [Toronto Star]

MRI gap defies cash fix
- Mark Kennedy, January 14, 2005 [National Post (Canada)]

A boy's plight, a nation's problem
- Lisa Priest, January 13, 2005 [The Globe and Mail]

Where's proof private clinics cost more?
- Tom Brodbeck, December 4, 2004 [The Winnipeg Sun]

Surgery backlog tops 5,500 at kids' hospitals; One-year waits common
- Aaron Derfel, December 3, 2004 [The Gazette (Montreal)]

Hospital wait lists to get worse, Carriere says
- Chris Traber, November 14, 2004 [Yorkregion.com]

Frustrated patients can't handle ER waits
- Jennifer Stewart and Jeffrey Simpson, October 28, 2004 [The Halifax Herald Limited]

Private medical clinic opens in Montreal
...it answers, "an ever-increasing demand from the public for greater accessibility and quality of health services."
- October 13, 2004 [CTV.ca]

Canadians have higher death risk than Americans after heart attack: study
- Sheryl Ubelacker, September 20, 2004 [Canada.com]

Canadian medical tourists in India
- Jeremy Copeland, September 20, 2004 [CBC News]

Doctor shortage cripples Canada's free health care
- Clifford Krauss, September 18, 2004 [Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune]

Canada's Once-Proud Public Health System in Crisis
- David Ljunggren, September 14, 2004 [Reuters (Ottawa)]

Hospitals to cut, again
- September 5, 2004 [Toronto Star]

Canada's Medical Nightmare
- Robert J. Cihak, M.D., September 1, 2004 [Health Care News]

Canada faces shortage of doctors
- August 19, 2004 [MSNBC]

Canadians losing faith in health system: poll
- August 16, 2004 [CTV.ca]

Ontario hospitals a health risk
- Michael Hurley, August 8, 2004 [Toronto Star]

Need surgery? Here's how long you'll wait
"It's inhuman. The quality of my life is horrible and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it."
- Jason Fekete, July 28, 2004 [Calgary Herald]

Docs, nurses fed up
Canadian doctors and nurses are fed up with inter-governmental "bickering" that is dragging out wait times and causing more pain and suffering for patients.
- July 28, 2004 [Winnipeg Sun]

Free Health Care?
...in some cases, patients die on the waiting list because they become too sick to tolerate a procedure.
- Walter E. Williams, July 24, 2004 [CATO]

The truth about Canada's ailing health-care system
All the major candidates in Canada's recent national election acknowledged that the country's health-care system is failing Canadians.
- Robert J. Cihak, July 13, 2004 [The Seattle Times]

Health-care crisis looms, even with new money
Canada's health-care system is "five to 10 years" from the breaking point -- even with cash injections from government, says the new president of the B.C. Medical Association.
- Doug Alexander, July 5, 2004 [Vancouver Sun]

Emergency room delays a strong campaign factor
"Go into the emergency room — it is the most pitiful piece of work you ever seen in your life."
- David Bruser, June 22, 2004 [Toronto Star]

Canadian Health Care in Crisis
Analyst visits NC to describe how single-payer health care really works in practice.
- Donna Martinez, June 17, 2004 [Carolina Journal]

Quebec cancer patients sue over wait
Women waited months for radiation; lawsuit could cost system $50-million.
- Ingrid Peritz, March 11, 2004 [The Globe and Mail]

Health care: no waiting lists
'You get knee surgery within two days ... try and get that in human hospitals.' Canada's [private] pet health-insurance industry is projected to grow at roughly 50 per cent a year...
- Robert Scalia, November 30, 2003 [Montreal Gazette]

For some, surgery abroad a welcome answer
- Daniel Girard, November 29, 2003 [Toronto Star]

Canadian Doctors Eyeing United States
- Clifford Krauss, October 17, 2003 [The New York Times]

The Top Ten Things People Believe About Canadian Health Care, But Shouldn’t
- Brian Lee Crowley, October 9, 2003 [Mackinac Center for Public Policy]

Canadians' health at risk, CMA says
- Valerie Lawton, September 26, 2003 [Toronto Star]

Burnout is now doctors' ailment
Almost half of Canadian doctors say they're burned out, emotionally exhausted and blame medicine for putting a drain on their family life.
- Karen Palmer, August 20, 2003 [Toronto Star]

New MRI clinic in row over poaching
While she insists she's not making any money off the venture, she says it provides an income allowance for her and her husband, the other principal in the company.
- Theresa Boyle and Robert Benzie, July 28, 2003 [Toronto Star]

Price Controls and Overall Drug Spending
The Canadian system, however, tends to push up overall spending on prescription drugs, despite the low prices for some brand name ones.
- John Melby, July 2, 2003 [Buckeye Institute]

Gore Endorses Canada's Medical System
- William L. Anderson, November 29, 2002 [Mises]

How Good is Canadian Health Care?
- August 2002 [Fraser Institute]

Canadian Health-Care System Is No Model for Prescription Drug Reform
- May 1, 2001 [Mackinac Center for Public Policy]

The Ghost of America's Health Care Future Lives in Canada Today
- James Frogue and Robert Moffit, December 25, 2000 [Capitalism Magazine]

Socialized Medicine: The Canadian Experience
Explores several lessons that can be drawn from the Canadian experience with socialized medicine:
Socialized medicine, although of poor quality, is very expensive;
Political compromise is the result;
Socialized medicine is both a consequence and a great contributor to the idea that economic conditions should be equalized by coercion.
- Pierre Lemieux [The Freeman]

Canadian Health Care
...if Canadians knew as much as they think they do about the economic and moral workings of Medicare, they might not be as enthusiastic as they are about their cherished right to 'free' health care.
- Andrei Kreptul, August 30, 2000 [Mises]

When Patients Become Victims - The Crime of Government-Run Health Care
- Merrill Matthews Jr., Ph.D. and Kerri Houston, May 1, 2000 (PDF format)

Socialized Medicine Leaves a Bad Taste in Patients' Mouths
- Lawrence W. Reed, February 23, 2000 [Mackinac Center for Public Policy]

Canadians Dissatisfied With Socialized Medicine
- January 26, 2000 [NCPA]

Memo to Al Gore: Canadian Medicine Isn't Cheap or Effective
- William McArthur, former chief coroner for British Columbia, January 28, 2000

Loved to Death: America's Unresolved Health-Care Crisis
As Canada's national government slashes spending on medical care in order to reduce the deficit, local provinces are reducing medical staff. In Ontario, pregnant women are being sent to Detroit because no obstetricians are available. Specialists of all kinds are in short supply. Patients have to wait eight weeks for an MRI, ten weeks for referral to a specialist, and four months for heart bypass surgery.
- Michael J. Hurd, November 1997 [Liberty Haven]

Is Canadian Health care a Good Model for the U.S. to Follow?
- Michael Walker, August 1994 [Liberty Haven]

Health of the State (commentary by a cancer survivor)
I tell you this not to alarm you, to elicit sympathy, or to bore you. I tell you because the episode has been, for me, a salutary lesson (just in case I needed one) in why the government should not be allowed anywhere near a syringe, a dressing, a scalpel, an oxygen mask, a tissue sample — anything to do with health.

Michigan Shouldn't Copy Canada's Health System
- Lawrence W. Reed, July 29, 1991 [Mackinac Center for Public Policy]

Former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

Russia's Health Care Is Crumbling: Dire Lack of Funds Creates Sick, Dwindling Populace And 'National Emergency'
- Jeanne Whalen, February 13, 2004 [Wall Street Journal]

Capitalism Comes to Russian Health Care
With the "free" government-run health system in Russia in a state of collapse, an increasing amount of health care is being provided by for-profit clinics and hospitals.
- Michael Wines, December 22, 2000 [New York Times]

Russia's public health care system is crumbling
- Rob Reynolds, November 13, 1995 [CNN]

Socialized Health-Care Nightmare
In contrast to the impression created by the liberal American media, health-care institutions in Russia were at least fifty years behind the average U.S. level.
- Yuri Maltsev and Louise Omdahl, November 1994 [Liberty Haven]

New Zealand
New Zealand's Ministry of Health is the New Zealand "Government's principal agent and advisor on health and disability."

On the waiting list roller-coaster
- Martin Johnson, March 20, 2008 [The New Zealand Herald]

No charge for trips to emergency department
The figures show most people who arrive at the emergency departments don't need to be there.
- Alison Brown, December 17, 2004 [Rotorua Daily Post]

Surgical waiting lists numbers come under twin attacks
- November 15, 2004 [stuff.co.nz]

Hospital Waiting Lists Under Serious Pressure
- October 26, 2004 [Scoop New Zealand News]

Hundreds on waiting list as hospital pleads for help
- August 23, 2004 [The New Zealand Herald]

Private hospitals offer help with waiting lists
- August 12, 2004 [The New Zealand Herald]

Alarm over GP shortage
- July 5, 2004 [The New Zealand Herald]

Hospital urges patients to stay away unless really ill
- March 6, 2004 [The New Zealand Herald]

U.S. health care problems caused by government intervention
All of the pervasive problems within the U.S. health care system are a direct result of statism. Unfortunately, most Americans buy into the feel-good soundbites and look to the socialist utopia to provide answers, not understanding that additional government intervention always worsens the problems.

Not even the so-called experts who villify capitalism understand the difference between Statism/socialism and liberty (see Dr. Arnold S. Relman's For-Profit Health Care: Expensive, Inefficient and Inequitable, in which he refers to "HMOs that would be paid by the government" as "care under the private system").

"War on Fat"
Creeping socialism gives government bureaucrats the power to pry into your eating habits for "the public good".

Deadly shortage
The federal ban on profit incentive is killing those awaiting organ transplants.

Entitlement programs eating up U.S. budget
- Stephen Ohlemacher, December 27, 2005 [IndyStar.com]

New York Medicaid Fraud May Reach Into Billions
- Clifford J. Levy and Michael Luo, July 18, 2005 [The New York Times]

Bad Medicine
The blame for the inadequacies caused by government’s intrusion into health care and other industries does not lie solely on the shoulders of politicians and bureaucrats; it also lies on the masses.
- Emiliano Antunez, June 24, 2005 [Strike the Root]

Medical trade is rife with inefficiencies, health secretary says
- Dave Murphy, May 25, 2005 [San Fransisco Chronicle]

Wanted: Scientific Reason for FDA's Gay Sperm Ban
- Aubrey Noelle Stimola, May 23, 2005 [American Council on Science and Health]

Clinton, Gingrich Team Up on Health Care
- Kevin Frekin


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These are real headlines with clickable stories @ the link above. Heard about this on Thursday's Flee Levin radio show.

My favorite - Michigan Shouldn't Copy Canada's Health System

1 posted on 03/07/2009 5:55:54 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

For later arguments


2 posted on 03/07/2009 5:57:49 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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The American people won’t be able to claim they were not warned.


3 posted on 03/07/2009 5:59:06 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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Actually, I think Australia’s Medicare system works well - about the only socialist idea I’ve ever seen that does. I think it works because Australians also have the choice of private care alongside if they want it and are willing to pay (or have insurance).


4 posted on 03/07/2009 5:59:22 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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Thank you, LL


5 posted on 03/07/2009 6:00:26 PM PST by combat_boots (Leave America poor, hungry, sick and defenseless. Wasn't that the plan? How's that Hopenchange now?)
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It’s so horrible we’ve just got to try it. The only reason I can see for socalized medicine is if you want to kill off elderly pensioners so you have to pay out less in social security.


6 posted on 03/07/2009 6:00:58 PM PST by utherdoul
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I am aware of problems with the NHS, but I haven't heard much about Australia’s system. In general, I heard that taxes there are high, but the HC system is OK. I do find it hard to criticize national systems at times, since people do seem to associate national pride and identity with them.

I'd be curious to hear from FReepers down under or others who have familiarity.

7 posted on 03/07/2009 6:03:00 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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Major PING. Great post.


8 posted on 03/07/2009 6:03:44 PM PST by Influence (War doesn't determine who's right or wrong. War determines who's left.)
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Thank you so much for posting this...scary but necessary information.


9 posted on 03/07/2009 6:16:23 PM PST by LostInBayport (When more than 98% of the Republicans on Capitol Hill vote against a bill, it is not bipartisan.)
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I really do not understand the health care crisis in American, I have had health insurance and currently do not, yet I have never been denied any care at any clinic or hospital.


10 posted on 03/07/2009 6:18:09 PM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Libloather

get it through your thick head that the failures of socialized healthcare around the world doesn’t matter because the right people haven’t implemented it! Now we have the right people with BaCock and that racist wife of his Michelle!

Just give them a chance to prove 150 years of failed socialism was just a fluke!

:P


11 posted on 03/07/2009 6:18:40 PM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: Libloather

Bookmarked! Thank you.


12 posted on 03/07/2009 6:21:01 PM PST by syriacus (To determine if an MSMer is an Obama apologist.--- See if his tongue is darkened from boot-licking.)
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To: Libloather; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; EternalVigilance; Reagan Man; Elsie; MeanWestTexan; ...
Bump for an important thread.


13 posted on 03/07/2009 6:22:01 PM PST by Diogenesis ("All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities." - Dune)
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To: naturalman1975
Yes, I agree. It works pretty well because of the private health insurance. The Canadian system is one of the worst, as many Canadians who have immigrated to Australia tell us.

The problem is that Americans wouldn't stand for the long waits for things like knee and hip surgery, that Aussies who do not have the private insurance have to endure.

What the left in America wants is fast service and free pharmaceuticals, but I don't see how they can pay for it. For a starter, they would have to get rid of trial lawyers, (which don't exist to the extent in the countries that have government medical systems) and they are a big supporter of the Democrats. So if they go to a truly universal health system that doesn't ration health care (and all of the government countries do that), they will never be able to afford it without significantly raising taxes to a rate that is unsustainable.

14 posted on 03/07/2009 6:38:47 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: LukeL
I really do not understand the health care crisis in American

It isn't a health "care" crisis, it's a health insurance issue. All the illegals, young people who don't want insurance, and the self-employed who can't afford it or don't want it. There is no crisis. Everyone, and I mean everyone, get care at any hospital.

The problem with that is, the emergency rooms are full to running over due to all the illegals who use them for doctor visits and minor emergencies so they don't have to pay a doctor at their office.

15 posted on 03/07/2009 6:39:09 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: Wiseghy

As I said earlier in the thread - Australia’s Medicare system does seem to work. The only socialist idea I’ve seen that does (OK - to be fair, the university payment system works too, but that’s a compromise between the socialist system that didn’t work that was reached with the conservatives, not a purely socialist system).

If you need to see a doctor because you’re problem is urgent, you’ll be treated quickly and you won’t have to pay. If you have a problem that can wait, you’ll have to wait unless you are willing to pay. A lot of Australians use both the public and private systems depending on what they are dealing with.


16 posted on 03/07/2009 6:49:31 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
If you count the superannuneration pension system as socialistic, that works pretty well too. But since we get to put the accounts in our own names and invest in what we want, it is not anywhere as socialistic as the USA’s Social Security system, which truely is a scandal.
17 posted on 03/07/2009 6:55:21 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: Libloather
This misses the whole point. There is no way to provide all care to all people, regardless of ability to pay. There will always be rationing of health care. The only question is who makes the decision.

The cold, hard, reality is that each of us is entitled to the health care we can purchase, either directly or indirectly through an insurance package we can purchase. Anything beyond our ability to pay is charity.

Sadly, as medication takes longer to develop and as instrumentation becomes more complicated to build and maintain, cost becomes prohibitive. At some point, one must choose between having the family housed, clothed, and fed and one person taking all the resources for medical care. Each decision must be made on an individual case-by-case basis by the people affected and paying the bills. Only then are we truly free.

18 posted on 03/07/2009 6:56:15 PM PST by RochesterFan
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To: Libloather

Conservatives are going to loose, and socialized medicine will become the norm in America, UNLESS conservatives get their act together and start selling market-based healthcare, something we don’t have and haven’t had for a long, long, long time.

It’s time to channel your inner libertarian and start railing against the subsidies from Medicare and Medicaid that squeeze heavy prices onto private, non-subsidized consumers. It’s time to take on the AMA and occupational licensing. Yes, I’m calling for an end to licensing doctors and replacing the licensing scheme with voluntary certification. Why? Look up Milton Friedman, the Nobel Prize-winning economist, and his work on occupational licensing. He called for the same thing, and this was before costs sky-rocketed.

To put it bluntly, the left has completely captured this debate. They own in. They’ve managed to frame the debate in terms of government handouts for free versus super-expensive private insurance. Anybody with a brain can see that the high cost of healthcare in this country has zilch to do with insurance companies (whose premiums merely reflect provider costs) and EVERYTHING to do with providers. Unfortunately, doctors have so much respect and political clout that nobody outside of the economics profession talks of taking them on.

Why does it cost an arm and a leg to have a cast put on or get some antibiotics for a cold? Licensing laws require doctors to be present, even if only for five minutes or to do something like give a shot, while nurses and the like do the bulk of the work. Modifying licensing laws won’t help, as these laws are invariably written by those in the occupations (doctors write the licensing laws, electricians write the licensing laws for electricians, etc., it’s called regulatory capture—again, look it up). We need to throw away the licensing requirements and replace them with voluntary certification programs.

Nurses can open up dirt-cheap clinics for minor ailments, without needing to pay for valuable doctors’ time. People could open up clinics that specialize only in stitching up cuts, or putting on casts, etc., all for much less than a fully-staffed doctor-led clinic could. It could work, but only if the law allows it.

The current licensing laws are like requiring you to see somebody with a PhD in engineering to have the hard drive replaced on your PC. It’s ludicrous.


19 posted on 03/07/2009 7:03:16 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Whoops, loose = lose, heh heh.


20 posted on 03/07/2009 7:04:58 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: LifeComesFirst
Conservatives are going to lose, and socialized medicine will become the norm in America, UNLESS conservatives get their act together and start selling market-based healthcare, something we don’t have and haven’t had for a long, long, long time.

I dunno. If you read through every headline, even so-called 'universal' health care countries have private facilities creeping in. Public or private? The fight is on.

21 posted on 03/07/2009 7:24:16 PM PST by Libloather (What did one polar bear say to another polar bear? "Dang, its cold out here...")
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To: YellowRoseofTx

Check out the wait times Canadians have to endure for their “free” health care and keep in mind that Alberta is one of Canada’s wealthiest provinces.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Health/Hospital+Patients+dying+help/1355451/story.html


22 posted on 03/07/2009 7:46:58 PM PST by phreedom57
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To: YellowRoseofTx

Check out the wait times Canadians have to endure for their “free” health care and keep in mind that Alberta is one of Canada’s wealthiest provinces.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Health/Hospital+Patients+dying+help/1355451/story.html


23 posted on 03/07/2009 7:47:04 PM PST by phreedom57
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To: neverdem

pping


24 posted on 03/07/2009 8:07:20 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: raybbr

thanks, bfl


25 posted on 03/07/2009 8:18:50 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Libloather

Doesn’t stop the socialized system from existing, from soaking up tax-payer money, and from taking resources from the private system.

BTW, if you ever get into a debate with a socialist about this, and they point out that America already has “socialized” fire fighting, policing, courts, roads, utilities, etc., kindly remind them of the difference between a “public good” and a “private good.” Consult an econ textbook. From Adam Smith to Friedrich Hayek, no serious free market proponent advocates total privatization of all public goods such as law and order, so that’s a debate they’ve already lost through ignorance.


26 posted on 03/07/2009 8:46:42 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: Libloather

bttt


27 posted on 03/07/2009 10:41:36 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Health care deaths are a small price to pay for justice. The operation will be a success but the patient will die if the democrats and Obama gets their way.


28 posted on 03/08/2009 3:58:14 AM PDT by x_plus_one (A thousand suckers are born every minute. They are the Obamacracy.)
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To: LifeComesFirst
BTW, if you ever get into a debate with a socialist about this, and they point out that America already has “socialized” fire fighting, policing, courts, roads, utilities, etc., kindly remind them of the difference between a “public good” and a “private good.”

Thanks!!

29 posted on 03/08/2009 5:00:42 AM PDT by syriacus (To determine if an MSMer is an Obama apologist.--- See if his tongue is darkened from boot-licking.)
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To: syriacus

Don’t forget to mention that roads and utilities are “natural monopolies,” too.


30 posted on 03/08/2009 5:20:54 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

For “Socialized Health Care” read “health care rationing” or even “health care rationed based on affirmative action guidelines”.


31 posted on 03/08/2009 3:39:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Libloather

Dear Mr Obama

Please start you healthcare rationing with illnesses that are 99+% preventable as it is only fair. Unlike old age, breast cancer, MS and other terrible diseases, HIV/AIDS is PREVENTABLE. HIV/AIDS treatment costs est $620,000 per persons life. with 50,000 new US cases per year mostly homosexual males with some drug addicts.

So let’s start saving money there if we are concerned with the percent of GDP going to healthcare instead of making macular degeneration patients go blind in one eye or denying my mother a hip replacement.


32 posted on 03/08/2009 4:13:41 PM PDT by dervish (it is as bad as we feared)
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To: LifeComesFirst

“Anybody with a brain can see that the high cost of healthcare in this country has zilch to do with insurance companies (whose premiums merely reflect provider costs) and EVERYTHING to do with providers. Unfortunately, doctors have so much respect and political clout that nobody outside of the economics profession talks of taking them on.”

You could not be more wrong. You are so ignorant I don’t know where to start.

Doctors are not permitted to collectively bargain, they are not in charge of huge powerful lobbies. They have no clout. Do you have any idea what has happened to doctor’s insurance reimbursement in the last ten years? Primary care/internists cannot break even. Medical schools in the US used to have 40 applicants for each spot. Now they can’t fill them. Welcome foreign medical school grads.

In contrast look at the salaries, balance sheets and dividends of insurance companies. Insurance companies are huge corporations that make profits for their stockholders. Do you think United Healthcare is in business to break even?

And you may want your care administered by someone who went to two year of nursing or PA school, but I don’t. Neither do Canadians who flock here and pay out of pocket for care.

You are living in la-la land.


33 posted on 03/08/2009 4:33:58 PM PDT by dervish (it is as bad as we feared)
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To: dervish

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/OccupationalLicensing.html

Start there. Educate yourself on the economics of the issue.


34 posted on 03/08/2009 6:24:33 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...
Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this ping list.


35 posted on 03/09/2009 5:49:37 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Libloather
As with all socialized health care systems, there is a mixture of public versus private care.

Really? That may be true with respect to Australia and Britain, but my understanding is that citizens of many of these countries have no private care options.

Canada seems to be one of them. If Canadians had private care options in Canada, there would be little reason for them to cross into the US to receive care denied to them by the socialist bureaucrats in their home country.

36 posted on 03/09/2009 2:16:09 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: dervish

Excellent post, dervish.


37 posted on 03/09/2009 2:17:08 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

That’s EXACTLY what I hear -

we’ll do it right here.

My question of “what makes you think the people doing it here are so much more intelligent than every other country that has tried it?” never gets an answer.


38 posted on 03/09/2009 2:19:21 PM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: SunkenCiv

You got that right...

this will be another opportunity for the power elite to implement their idea of “social justice”.


39 posted on 03/09/2009 2:20:34 PM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: justiceseeker93
...but my understanding is that citizens of many of these countries have no private care options.

I'm pretty sure politicians and rich actors don't have to wait for hours in the queue.

40 posted on 03/09/2009 3:39:28 PM PDT by Libloather (What did one polar bear say to another polar bear? "Dang, its cold out here...")
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To: justiceseeker93
That may be true with respect to Australia and Britain, but my understanding is that citizens of many of these countries have no private care options.

You can go private in Britain. However the moment you do, you lose all NHS care. I read about a patient who needed a medication that the NHS would not provide. He tried to purchase it out of pocket but they threatened to cut all benefits if he did.

41 posted on 03/09/2009 5:02:22 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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