The Problems with Socialized Health Care (Nightmare headlines from around the globe)

Liberty Page ^ | 3/07/09

[Libloather]

Conservatives are going to lose, and socialized medicine will become the norm in America, UNLESS conservatives get their act together and start selling market-based healthcare, something we don’t have and haven’t had for a long, long, long time.

I dunno. If you read through every headline, even so-called 'universal' health care countries have private facilities creeping in. Public or private? The fight is on.

[phreedom57]

Check out the wait times Canadians have to endure for their “free” health care and keep in mind that Alberta is one of Canada’s wealthiest provinces.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Health/Hospital+Patients+dying+help/1355451/story.html

[phreedom57]

Check out the wait times Canadians have to endure for their “free” health care and keep in mind that Alberta is one of Canada’s wealthiest provinces.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Health/Hospital+Patients+dying+help/1355451/story.html

[raybbr]

pping

[neverdem]

thanks, bfl

[LifeComesFirst]

Doesn’t stop the socialized system from existing, from soaking up tax-payer money, and from taking resources from the private system.

BTW, if you ever get into a debate with a socialist about this, and they point out that America already has “socialized” fire fighting, policing, courts, roads, utilities, etc., kindly remind them of the difference between a “public good” and a “private good.” Consult an econ textbook. From Adam Smith to Friedrich Hayek, no serious free market proponent advocates total privatization of all public goods such as law and order, so that’s a debate they’ve already lost through ignorance.

[SuperLuminal]

bttt

[x_plus_one]

Health care deaths are a small price to pay for justice. The operation will be a success but the patient will die if the democrats and Obama gets their way.

[syriacus]

BTW, if you ever get into a debate with a socialist about this, and they point out that America already has “socialized” fire fighting, policing, courts, roads, utilities, etc., kindly remind them of the difference between a “public good” and a “private good.”

Thanks!!

[LifeComesFirst]

Don’t forget to mention that roads and utilities are “natural monopolies,” too.

[SunkenCiv]

For “Socialized Health Care” read “health care rationing” or even “health care rationed based on affirmative action guidelines”.

[dervish]

Dear Mr Obama

Please start you healthcare rationing with illnesses that are 99+% preventable as it is only fair. Unlike old age, breast cancer, MS and other terrible diseases, HIV/AIDS is PREVENTABLE. HIV/AIDS treatment costs est $620,000 per persons life. with 50,000 new US cases per year mostly homosexual males with some drug addicts.

So let’s start saving money there if we are concerned with the percent of GDP going to healthcare instead of making macular degeneration patients go blind in one eye or denying my mother a hip replacement.

[dervish]

“Anybody with a brain can see that the high cost of healthcare in this country has zilch to do with insurance companies (whose premiums merely reflect provider costs) and EVERYTHING to do with providers. Unfortunately, doctors have so much respect and political clout that nobody outside of the economics profession talks of taking them on.”

You could not be more wrong. You are so ignorant I don’t know where to start.

Doctors are not permitted to collectively bargain, they are not in charge of huge powerful lobbies. They have no clout. Do you have any idea what has happened to doctor’s insurance reimbursement in the last ten years? Primary care/internists cannot break even. Medical schools in the US used to have 40 applicants for each spot. Now they can’t fill them. Welcome foreign medical school grads.

In contrast look at the salaries, balance sheets and dividends of insurance companies. Insurance companies are huge corporations that make profits for their stockholders. Do you think United Healthcare is in business to break even?

And you may want your care administered by someone who went to two year of nursing or PA school, but I don’t. Neither do Canadians who flock here and pay out of pocket for care.

You are living in la-la land.

[LifeComesFirst]

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/OccupationalLicensing.html

Start there. Educate yourself on the economics of the issue.

[socialismisinsidious]

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[justiceseeker93]

As with all socialized health care systems, there is a mixture of public versus private care.

Really? That may be true with respect to Australia and Britain, but my understanding is that citizens of many of these countries have no private care options.

Canada seems to be one of them. If Canadians had private care options in Canada, there would be little reason for them to cross into the US to receive care denied to them by the socialist bureaucrats in their home country.

[justiceseeker93]

Excellent post, dervish.

[MrB]

That’s EXACTLY what I hear -

we’ll do it right here.

My question of “what makes you think the people doing it here are so much more intelligent than every other country that has tried it?” never gets an answer.

[MrB]

You got that right...

this will be another opportunity for the power elite to implement their idea of “social justice”.

[Libloather]

...but my understanding is that citizens of many of these countries have no private care options.

I'm pretty sure politicians and rich actors don't have to wait for hours in the queue.