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Police: Ill. pastor deflected gunshot with Bible
ABC ^ | 3/8/09 | Mikey_1962

Posted on 03/08/2009 3:52:33 PM PDT by Mikey_1962

A shooting during a morning church service outside St. Louis has left one person dead -- the church's pastor -- and several others wounded, officials said.

The Rev. Fred Winters was at the pulpit at the First Baptist Church in Maryville, Ill., at 8:15 a.m. local time today when a man wearing dark clothing approached the pulpit and fired four shots, the first of which hit the pastor's Bible, Illinois State Police Director Larry Trent said at a news conference late today.

One of the shots from the gunman's .45 caliber pistol hit Winters in the chest, killing him, before his gun jammed, said Trooper Ralph Timmins of the Illinois State Police, which is handling the investigation.

After his gun jammed, the shooter injured himself with a knife and subsequently was restrained by parishioners, Timmins said in a "preliminary release" left on his office voicemail recording

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: bible; churchshooting; fredwinters; illinois; knife; knifing; maryville; sedlacek; shooting; tm; winters
Jesus Saves!
1 posted on 03/08/2009 3:52:33 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: Mikey_1962

I don’t really understand the point of the story. Since he died anyway it was sort of irrelevant.


2 posted on 03/08/2009 3:54:21 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Mikey_1962

For a while.


3 posted on 03/08/2009 3:54:38 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Mikey_1962

Rush Limbaugh’s fault? Waiting until that refrain replaces Bush’s fault.


4 posted on 03/08/2009 3:54:54 PM PDT by FreepShop1 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: Mikey_1962

Yes he does.

Unfortunately for this man and his friends and family, the laws of physics that God put in place allowed only one bullet to be deflected by the Bible he held. Three other bullets took the earthly life of this minister.

It looks like he will likely be the only fatality and we may have another media murderer to study while he spends the rest of his life in prison.


5 posted on 03/08/2009 3:57:58 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Mikey_1962

Any picture or description of the perp yet?


6 posted on 03/08/2009 4:01:10 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

That was a good reply.


7 posted on 03/08/2009 4:01:24 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: FreepShop1

This seems like the new laughable refrain we are going to hear, but there is another more sinister side of this problem. Not that an old solid First B pastor would be teaching this, but the Health/Wealth “Gospel” of the Joel Osteens ilk could present a problem when it doesn’t pay off as “taught” and the guy gave his last IRA dollar to the “ministry” as “Seed money”. We may see enraged followers (not believers) storm these buildings completely infuriated over the failed “promises”.


8 posted on 03/08/2009 4:02:23 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

another media murderer to study while he spends the rest of his life in prison.


“media murderer” — most apropos in defining them

And of course the “rights” of the murderer far outweighs the death of this wonderful human being.


9 posted on 03/08/2009 4:03:11 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: Mikey_1962
If it had been an imam who had been shot and his copy of the koran had been hit, the point of the story would be the desecration of the damned koran.

And that, folks is the difference between a religion and a death cult.

10 posted on 03/08/2009 4:06:19 PM PDT by muir_redwoods ( O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Asinine Mistake, America)
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To: Mikey_1962
[as the townspeople point guns at Bart, the newly arrived sheriff]
Reverend Johnson: Gentlemen, gentlemen, allow not hatred to rule the day.
[holds up his Bible]
Reverend Johnson: As your spiritual leader, I implore you to pay heed to this good book and what it has to say!
[Townspeople shoot the Bible, blowing it apart]
Reverend Johnson: [to Bart] Son, you're on your own.

Blazing Saddles

11 posted on 03/08/2009 4:06:45 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

This has been a long time to identify the shooter.Could he be a Muslim?What if anything did he say before shooting?


12 posted on 03/08/2009 4:06:57 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; yarddog

That Bible’s gonna sell for a lot on eBay.


13 posted on 03/08/2009 4:08:32 PM PDT by library user (Rod Blagojevich should have been TIME MAGAZINE'S "Person of the Year.")
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To: library user

If it was his own personal Bible, it will likely be kept by his widow or buried with him.


14 posted on 03/08/2009 4:14:10 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Mikey_1962
How sad. Prayers up for Pastor Winters and his family.

Link to their website's about page with pictures of the Pastor and his family...http://www.fbmaryville.org/aboutus/welcome.cfm
15 posted on 03/08/2009 4:18:32 PM PDT by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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To: yarddog
I wondered that too...

...I think the media meant is in disrespect, which is sick...as the pastor has died.

16 posted on 03/08/2009 4:31:09 PM PDT by Guenevere ("He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain that which he cannot lose")
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To: Mikey_1962

Obama’s fault!


17 posted on 03/08/2009 4:34:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Mornie` utulie`. Mornie` alantie`.)
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To: Mikey_1962

ok islamofasicts: this is a real example of a martyr.


18 posted on 03/08/2009 4:40:53 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: Mikey_1962
Jesus Saves!

The pastor should know by now as he has met his maker.

19 posted on 03/08/2009 4:41:52 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: All

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/mar/08/gunman-kills-pastor-church-near-st-louis/

“Gunman kills pastor at church near St. Louis”
Marci Winters-McLaughlin/AP
By JOEL CURRIER and MICHELLE MUNZ St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Sunday, March 8, 2009

MARYVILLE, Ill. —

SNIPPET: “The Rev. Fred Winters, said to be in his 40s, died at nearby Anderson Hospital of a gunshot wound to the chest, officials said.

The attacker, whose identity has not been released, was in serious condition at St. Louis University Hospital, where he was being taken into surgery for treatment of self-inflicted stab wounds.”

SNIPPET: “Timmins said the .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol then jammed, and the gunman began stabbing himself with a knife. When members of the congregation moved to subdue him, two of them were slashed. Timmins said they suffered non-life-threatening wounds. They were transferred via helicopters to other hospitals, an Anderson Hospital spokeswoman said.

One of them was identified as Terry Bullard, 39, who underwent surgery at St. Louis University Hospital and was in serious condition, authorities said.”


20 posted on 03/08/2009 4:43:00 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Guenevere

I can’t really figure out the reason for the particular slant on the story.

During the War Between the States many, probably most soldiers carried a Bible on them. It stands to reason that a fair number would have that Bible stop a bullet. I am sure each soldier thought it was a miracle, I might have thought so too but since this one did not save his life it was beside the point.

I remember the commander of the Confederate Submarine Hunley had been given a gold coin by his fiancee and it saved his life at the battle of Shiloh. He probably thought it a miracle but when the sub was raised, they found the coin with his remains.

I am not sure the writer meant it to disparage Christians but you could be right.


21 posted on 03/08/2009 4:44:34 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Mikey_1962

why does your link go to CBS Sportsline?


22 posted on 03/08/2009 4:45:44 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Mikey_1962; yarddog

When I read the headline my first thought was, “Cool!” Then I read the actual article. Very sad.


23 posted on 03/08/2009 4:46:12 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: yarddog

“Since he died anyway it was sort of irrelevant.”

Might have been enough time for an armed parishoner to stop him before he could get in the kill shot.

Just saying.


24 posted on 03/08/2009 4:49:57 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Dutchboy88

OR we could be seeing hatred of Christians taking over our secular country. Not that a Christian should be surprised since Jesus tells us it will happen...and it will be so bad that God will cut the time short for the sake of the elect.


25 posted on 03/08/2009 4:50:18 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Guenevere
"...I think [what] the media meant is in disrespect...,"

I agree: The Bible could have been laying open on the lectern and been merely brushed by the bullet.

26 posted on 03/08/2009 4:52:04 PM PDT by Does so (White House uncomfortable? Sleeplessness? The 0bama will quit before 6 months are up.)
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To: Does so

Thanks for the editing/clarification....:)


27 posted on 03/08/2009 4:54:50 PM PDT by Guenevere ("He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain that which he cannot lose")
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To: PLMerite

...gun-free zone...

...supposed to make us all safer.

See tag.


28 posted on 03/08/2009 5:12:04 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (COTUS 2A should be the USA's ONLY gun law.)
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To: ExGeeEye

One of my favorite writers, the late Skeeter Skelton once said that when he was a kid growing up in Texas, the Methodist Minister kept a loaded .45 Revolver in the podium.


29 posted on 03/08/2009 5:33:49 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: TXBubba

Yes, of course. We have no idea yet what drove this guy to do this. My speculation is that elsewhere the Health/Wealth Gospel is setting itself up for a bad fall by promising more than it can possibly deliver. I recall that during the day-trading “Tech Wreck” a guy walked into a brokers office and started shooting because they had implied he would get rich in their pit. Wondered if this was similar.

But, certainly, believers are going to face hatred from the world as the days draw to an end. Guaranteed.


30 posted on 03/08/2009 5:38:44 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Was this group part of “health and wealth” gospel group?


31 posted on 03/08/2009 5:41:23 PM PDT by bushwon
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To: PLMerite; Mikey_1962
Might have been enough time for an armed parishoner to stop him before he could get in the kill shot.

In Illinois? Only if the parishoner was an off duty cop or a visiting Chicago alderman.

32 posted on 03/08/2009 6:12:58 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: ExGeeEye
...gun-free zone...

Unless you are a cop or a Chicago alderman, the whole state is a "gun free zone", as far as concealed carry goes.

33 posted on 03/08/2009 6:15:07 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: All

Note: Photo included.

UPDATE:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/DEB1CA304D8EA6198625757400146485?OpenDocument

“Church shooting suspect has mental illness from Lyme disease”

By Joel Currier, Jeremy Kohler and Nicholas J.C. Pistor
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
03/09/2009

MARYVILLE —

SNIPPET: “But a source close to the case confirmed late Sunday that it is Terry Joe Sedlacek, 27, who was the subject of a Post-Dispatch story in August about how Lyme disease had attacked his brain.

His home in the first block of Zachary Court in Troy, Ill., about three miles from the church, was searched late Sunday afternoon by police, who seized some gun cases and a computer.”


34 posted on 03/09/2009 1:45:32 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: bushwon

Don’t know.


35 posted on 03/09/2009 6:56:01 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Mikey_1962

Don’t just bring a bible to a gun fight, bring a gun too.


36 posted on 03/09/2009 10:27:31 AM PDT by Grig ( Obama will do for socialism what Clinton did for porn)
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