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Children With [Diabetes] Look Forward To Obama's Expected Lifting Of Ban On Stem Cell Research
All Headline News ^ | March 9, 2009 | Linda young

Posted on 03/09/2009 7:51:07 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

New York, NY (AHN) - President Barack Obama's expected lifting of the ban on stem cell research Monday is good news for those with Type 1 juvenile diabetes and their parents.

That's because researchers think that embryonic stem cells could be capable of replicating the pancreatic cells that produce insulin. When pancreatic cells are transplanted they effectively cure Type 1 diabetics. But with donor organs in short supply there are not enough donor pancreases to meet demand.

About 1.5 million Americans have Type 1 diabetes, but there are only about 6,000 donor pancreases each year.

Although there is a debate about the ethics of embryonic stem cell research, some proponents argue that it is unethical not to use stem cell research in an attempt to find cures for diseases such as Type 1 juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's disease and others.


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"But with donor organs in short supply there are not enough donor pancreases to meet demand."

Killing children to save other children. Sweet. *SPIT*

1 posted on 03/09/2009 7:51:07 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

So why stop killing them when they are embryos. let them grow to full term that way you have a real pancreas.

Do these people even have a soul left?


2 posted on 03/09/2009 7:52:41 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Ban”? No, just not approving FEDERAL FUNDING. Idiots.


3 posted on 03/09/2009 7:53:08 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: driftdiver

“Do these people even have a soul left?”

It’s not looking HOPEful.


4 posted on 03/09/2009 7:53:50 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
That's because researchers think that embryonic stem cells could be capable of replicating the pancreatic cells

Why do they keep chasing these embryonic stem cell theories when stem cells from other sources have proven to be far superior? It's maddening!

5 posted on 03/09/2009 7:54:00 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

WHAT ban on sten cell research?

Forkin LIARS!


6 posted on 03/09/2009 7:54:57 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Want to make a conservative angry? Lie to him. Want to make a liberal angry? Tell him the truth)
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To: TommyDale

Lazy journalists. Or, they’re being deliberately misleading.


7 posted on 03/09/2009 7:55:05 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Where do I sign up for jewelry stamps?)
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To: TommyDale

The truth does not matter. Not only are tax dollars to be used for this immoral research, tax dollars are to be used to propagandize in support of it as well.


8 posted on 03/09/2009 7:55:21 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
There is no ban on embryonic stem cell research. For the first time, Bush allowed federal funding of embryonic stem cell research but limited it to the existing lines. The private sector has always been free to do such research. What Obama is doing is expanding the amount of money spent and allowing new lines to be introduced.

If this area was so fruitful, the private sector would be pouring huge amounts of money into it. They are not. Adult stem cell research is providing greater promise and results. The MSM has got the facts wrong again.

9 posted on 03/09/2009 7:56:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: TommyDale

No kidding. If the Free Market WANTED this, nay, NEEDED, this harvesting of the unborn for medical research, then it would’ve found a way to do it without additional tax dollars.

Government financially supports Evil with our tax dollars.

Every day, these lunatics give me yet another reason to produce less tax dollars for them. Just when I think I can’t go any further underground economically, they provide a new incentive for me to keep on digging!


10 posted on 03/09/2009 7:56:12 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I thought they had recently found a way to harvest stem cells from adult blood and there wouldn’t be a need to destroy embryos any more.

Plus there was a recent article indicating Type 1 diabetes appears to be caused by a virus and research to block and treat that virus appears to be promising.


12 posted on 03/09/2009 7:56:48 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I have a modest proposal

maybe they should grow those embryos into babies, then take their pancreases and other body parts

Seriously, embryonic cell treatments have led only to tumors in kids and grave untreatable neuro damage to adults
whereas treatments with adult or ones own stem cells have shown great promise

http://www.lifeissues.org/cloningstemcell/bradsarticle.html

so yeah, obama, lets make that life and death decisions despite your pay grade

lets divert research money and effort away from what is working and let doctors who are not hindered by “political ideology” tear apart more embryos

quite a binge to look forward to

13 posted on 03/09/2009 7:57:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose")
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To: TommyDale

We are already providing federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. It started under Bush. The issue has been the amount of money and expanding the number of “lines.”


14 posted on 03/09/2009 7:58:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Didn;t know that children with diabetes so wanted to grow brain tumors.


15 posted on 03/09/2009 7:58:33 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
President Barack Obama's expected lifting of the ban on stem cell research Monday is good news for those with Type 1 juvenile diabetes and their parents.

There IS no f***ing "ban" on "stem cell research", you stupid tw*t! (the author, not you, Diana)

There is a ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. But advocates of this evil don't want us to see those distinctions.

16 posted on 03/09/2009 7:58:35 AM PDT by xjcsa (Currently shouting "I told you so" about Michael Steele on my profile page.)
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To: madprof98

moral opposition to this is being called, by the WH-run state media, “political ideology”


17 posted on 03/09/2009 7:58:54 AM PDT by silverleaf (Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose")
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To: DannyTN
I thought they had recently found a way to harvest stem cells from adult blood and there wouldn’t be a need to destroy embryos any more. Plus there was a recent article indicating Type 1 diabetes appears to be caused by a virus and research to block and treat that virus appears to be promising.

Their minds are made up. Don't confuse them with the facts.

18 posted on 03/09/2009 7:59:02 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

They are looking forward to it up to a point. If and when they produce new treatments from the stem cell research, the devaluing of life will not end. The Obama administration will do a cost-benefit analysis and may very well decide that the very sick children are not worth burdening the socialized healthcare system. As a result, they will refuse to offer the treatments anyway.


19 posted on 03/09/2009 7:59:34 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: al_c
Its a gift to the dimbulbs & loons in the Democrat party.
20 posted on 03/09/2009 8:00:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: al_c

I read recently that in one country (perhaps Israel), they are no longer doing these embryonic cell techniques because the were found to cause tumors in the recipients (as the article said, “sometimes deadly or devastating tumors”).

But that’s ok. Anything to forward the cause of cloning and abortion, which is what this is really all about.


21 posted on 03/09/2009 8:00:38 AM PDT by livius
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
When pancreatic cells are transplanted they effectively cure Type 1 diabetics.

Bullshit. You could transplant pancreatic cells until you're blue in the face. The recipient's body is STILL going to wipe them out because type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease wherein the body turns on itself. Transplanting won't stop the body from doing that.

22 posted on 03/09/2009 8:00:39 AM PDT by Lizavetta (Politicians: When they're not lying, they're stealing.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I think this issue is the single best example of the mendacious way in which the Media frames issues.

They seek to kill a child because they want to help a child.
Research on embryonic stem cells HAS been going on throughout Bush's 8 years, but you'd never know that from news coverage.
Embryonic stem cell research has not resulted in any medical breakthroughs, and yet it gets all the coverage.
Adult stem cell research has resulted in a great many breakthroughs, but it gets very little coverage.
Embryonic stem cells have a very nasty way of causing cancer in the receiver, but you'd never know that.

Incredibly twisted coverage of this topic. I'm convinced that medicine is not the focus. Kids with diabetes? The media doesn't REALLY care about that. Rationalizing the legal killing of children as a way to prop up Roe v Wade? Oh, yeah: that's the reason why embryonic stem cell research is championed. Abortion is pretty much the only thing the Democrats really care about. They are desperate to engage in child sacrifice as a sort of religious ritual. This is an old, old sickness.

23 posted on 03/09/2009 8:01:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: al_c
“Why do they keep chasing these embryonic stem cell theories when stem cells from other sources have proven to be far superior?”

Actually, it's not even subtle. With the American people becoming more and more anti-abortion; the abortion industry is fearing for its livelihood. They need to create a demand for the “product” they produce that will be overwhelmingly important in the eyes of the average citizen; thereby ensuring their survival!

24 posted on 03/09/2009 8:01:28 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: Soothesayer

They are looking forward to it up to a point. If and when they produce new treatments from the stem cell research, the devaluing of life will not end. The Obama administration will do a cost-benefit analysis and may very well decide that the very sick children are not worth burdening the socialized healthcare system. As a result, they will refuse to offer the treatments anyway.
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Prezactly.


25 posted on 03/09/2009 8:01:31 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama dozed.....people froze.)
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To: al_c

They want to “help” science and dispose of “excess” population at the same time. In the liberal mind, this is killing two birds with one stone.


26 posted on 03/09/2009 8:01:33 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The war on humans - waged by a PUTUS who feels it’s ok to let newborns die if “mommy” wants the baby dead. What a monster . . . death to all embryos, fetuses, unborn, newborn, infirmed, and aged . . . ala HITLER . . . this from a monster who’s eating $100+ steaks flown in from Japan and partying with Hollyweird’s elite.

What the hell did America do?


27 posted on 03/09/2009 8:01:59 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Proponents of using taxes to fun ESCR say that millions of frozen embryos are "going to be wasted" if they are not detroyed in order to support ESCR research.

Question:

Have the proponents (such as Obama) of using fed funds for ESCR PROMISED to only use frozen embryos that are "leftovers" from fertility clinics?
Or are they really planning on creating more embryos in order to destroy them?
28 posted on 03/09/2009 8:02:04 AM PDT by syriacus (Barack's legacy - record breaking spending resulting in record breaking waste.)
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To: al_c

“Why do they keep chasing these embryonic stem cell theories when stem cells from other sources have proven to be far superior? It’s maddening! “

because it supports their culture of death.


29 posted on 03/09/2009 8:04:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Soothesayer

“The Obama administration will do a cost-benefit analysis and may very well decide that the very sick children are not worth burdening the socialized healthcare system. As a result, they will refuse to offer the treatments anyway.”

Exactly. My nephew has this type of diabetes. And no, he’s a skinny little thing, so no weight issues here.

His Mom is a doctor, and she is furious over this issue. She does NOT want embryos harvested, even if it could possibly find a cure for her own child. (Which she doubts, anyway.)

She’s one of my Heroes in life. She’s a MOM and a DOCTOR and SHE understands that when a human female is pregnant, it’s a human BABY in there, not just a glob of cells to exploit. I have no medical degree, and even I can understand THAT, LOL!

*Rolleyes*


30 posted on 03/09/2009 8:05:00 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Gabz

Worthy of a ‘Mom’ Ping? Let’s let the ones ‘with skin in this game’ have their say!


31 posted on 03/09/2009 8:05:44 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Kids with diabetes? The media doesn’t REALLY care about that.”

Oh they care. They think that anyone less than perfect is a drag on society and should be euthanized.


32 posted on 03/09/2009 8:06:19 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Most likely killing children to KILL other children as embryonic stem cells have proven to be ineffective at best and cancerous tumor producing, at worst.


33 posted on 03/09/2009 8:06:39 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Adult stem cell research has resulted in a great many breakthroughs, but it gets very little coverage. Embryonic stem cells have a very nasty way of causing cancer in the receiver, but you'd never know that.

That's because the real issue is abortion.

34 posted on 03/09/2009 8:07:17 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (What's Black and White and Red all over?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Oh bull crap. Stop it with the sentamentality argument. You are taking a life bozos.


35 posted on 03/09/2009 8:07:51 AM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; hocndoc; Gondring; don-o
What rubbish.

The latest U.S. News and World Report had this article by Bernadine Healy, MD: Why Embryonic Stem Cells Are Obsolete.

(Healy is U.S.News & World Report's health editor and author of the magazine’s On Health column, and the former head of the National Institutes of Health, the American Red Cross, and the College of Medicine and Public Health at Ohio State University.)

Here's the money quote:

"In fact, during the first six weeks of Obama's term, several events reinforced the notion that embryonic stem cells, once thought to hold the cure for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and diabetes, are obsolete."

The push for strip-mining non-consenting human subjects (including our already-begotten children) for cells, tissues and organs is strictly a question of hubris: certain researchers saying "We want to do it because we can, to show that OUR projects are never again to be limited by ethics or by considerations of mere human dignity."

Hocndoc, please give us the latest so we can fight this thing.

36 posted on 03/09/2009 8:08:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I was hitchhiking the other day, and a hearse stopped. I said, 'No thanks - I'm not going that far.')
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To: silverleaf

” maybe they should grow those embryos into babies, then take their pancreases and other body parts”

unfortunately that is already done to some extent. Parts of aborted babies are frequently sold. Its even possible to order specific parts harvested (their term) in specific ways.

Its part of the abortion industry and is mostly used in research.


37 posted on 03/09/2009 8:08:52 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
But with donor organs in short supply there are not enough donor pancreases to meet demand.

The Chinese have solved that problem. They just harvest the organs from political prisoners in the laogai.

38 posted on 03/09/2009 8:08:53 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

‘I have no medical degree, and even I can understand THAT”

Thats because its a moral issue and not a medical issue.


39 posted on 03/09/2009 8:10:49 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: al_c
These guys are telling lies about beta cells. There are NO stem cells for beta cells. Beta cells apparantly reproduce themselves.

As far as "donors" are concerned, once the method is developed for causing beta cells to reproduce, you need ONLY ONE beta cell.

Embryonic stem cells will continue to be of no use ~ primarily because they are not beta cells, nor has there been any successful production of a beta cell from an ESC.

40 posted on 03/09/2009 8:12:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kabar
From my files:

Embryonic stem cells have not cured or successfully treated a single patient. Contrast that with the more than 70 conditions that are treatable using non-embryonic stem cell therapies.

Note: Conditions treatable using non-embryonic stem cells are listed in this article.

Adult Stem Cells: It's Not Pie-in-the-Sky

Though embryonic stem cell research advocates euphemistically refer to the current state of research as an “early stage”, the unfortunate reality is the goal of embryonic stem cell therapies is, at this point, more accurately described as a pipe dream. No researcher is anywhere close to significant progress in developing practical embryonic stem cell therapies.

The only thing certain is that the cost of that research will be high. If embryonic stem cell research had real and imminent possibilities, private investors would be pouring capital into research hoping for real and imminent profits. Instead, venture capital firms are contributing to political efforts to get taxpayers to fund research. What the venture capitalists seem to be hoping for is that taxpayer funding of stem cell research will increase the value of their stakes in biotech companies. The venture capitalists can then cash out at a hefty profit, leaving taxpayers holding the bag of fruitless research.

Ron Reagan Wrong on Stem Cells

"Using embryonic stem cells, researchers at Stanford University who are working on a cure for Type I diabetes are producing new pancreatic islet cells that could be used in human transplants and could herald a cure for this devastating illness."

Actually, the latest research findings regarding embryonic stem cells are that they do not actually produce insulin in response to glucose changes in their environment and are NOT the pancreatic beta cells needed to treat diabetes. When placed in animals, the cells did not reverse diabetes; instead, they formed tumors.

"A Korean research team recently made history by using human embryonic stem cells to cure Parkinson's disease in rats."

That is what they claim, but the research is a long way from producing a safe and effective treatment for humans. On the one known occasion when earlier-stage (before 6 weeks) fetal tissue was used to try to treat a human Parkinson's patient, the tissue killed the patient by forming clumps of bone, skin and hair in the middle of his brain.

Moreover, animal trials with embryonic stem cells repeatedly kill many of the animals because of formation of brain tumors.

Meanwhile, the first clinical trial using a patient's own adult brain stem cells to treat Parkinson's has produced a lasting 80% reversal of symptoms, and wider human trials are being planned.

New Jersey Right to Life

A more recent article…Why Embrionic Stem Cells are Obsolete, shows nothing has changed:

A report from Israel published in PLoS Medicine in late February that shows embryonic stem cells injected into patients can cause disabling if not deadly tumors.

The report describes a young boy with a fatal neuromuscular disease called ataxia telangiectasia, who was treated with embryonic stem cells. Within four years, he developed headaches and was found to have multiple tumors in his brain and spinal cord that genetically matched the female embryos used in his therapy.His experience is neither an anomaly nor a surprise, but one feared by many scientists.

Even as the future of embryonic stem cells has dimmed, adult stem cell research has scored major wins evident just in the past few months. These advances involve human stem cells that are not derived from human embryos. In fact, adult stem cells, which occur in small quantities in organs throughout the body for natural growth and repair, have become stars despite great skepticism early on. Though this is a more difficult task, scientists have learned to coax them to mature into many cell types, like brain and heart cells, in the laboratory.

The more ethically charged decision—less understood by the public and one Congress has avoided—involves the ban on creating human embryos in the laboratory solely for research purposes.

In fact, President Clinton is the one who balked at allowing scientists to use government money for embryo creation and research on stem cells harvested from such embryos; Bush only affirmed the Clinton ban.


41 posted on 03/09/2009 8:13:59 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: laweeks

“What the hell did America do?”

Turned our back on the One who gave us this nation.

From a people with deep reverence for our Creator; to wicked, materialistic hedonistists who despise and mock God!

The events going on in the entire world these past few months are NOT financial in origin!!


42 posted on 03/09/2009 8:16:57 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: Lizavetta
It doesn't kill the beta cells all at once. Just keeps on killing them until you run out of 'em, or you don't have enough to maintain sufficient production of insulin.

What we need is something to PRODUCE new beta cells faster than our systems can kill them off.

I watch the developments very closely and haven't seen anyone except a mind numbed MSM reporter say that ESC has anything to do with beta cell production.

43 posted on 03/09/2009 8:18:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

What happened to the $300 million that the State of California gave to emryonic research? What happened to the billions that liberal donors* gave to it?

Where are the “breakthroughs”? Where are the
results.......?????

* ...oh,that’s right, liberals don’t want to give...they want to take....especially from people for whom it is an issue on conscience.


44 posted on 03/09/2009 8:20:02 AM PDT by cookcounty (President Obama's 3 favorite words: "Crisis" "Catastrophe" "Inherited".)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Since when did the Federal Government BAN this research? All along I thought it was a BAN on the federal FUNDING of this research. If embryonic stem cell research is so promising, wouldn’t private capital be currently very heavily researching it?

I think I read something about this in Atlas Shrugged....


45 posted on 03/09/2009 8:22:48 AM PDT by CSM (Smokers, the most patriotic of Americans!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I agree to have more eyes on this thread, but not because mothers are the “ones with skin in this game!”

ANY parent, male or female, can personally empathize with this issue.


46 posted on 03/09/2009 8:24:25 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: ravingnutter

Well-resarched. But again, we already have federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. It started under Bush 43.


47 posted on 03/09/2009 8:31:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

There was a limitation of lines, I know.


48 posted on 03/09/2009 8:34:42 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
The MSM continually lies about this issue. There has not been a ban on embryonic stem cell research in this country. Private groups and institutions have always been free to invest in this research. There has only been a limit on any research that uses taxpayer dollars. It's instructive that many don't seem to want to risk their OWN money for this research, opting instead for government funding.

We watched a TV show recently about the Polio vaccine, and learned that the research that Salk did was privately funded. It was NOT a government operation. He was funded by private sources, with a large amount coming from the March of Dimes.

49 posted on 03/09/2009 8:35:35 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ClearCase_guy; Diana in Wisconsin
You are right. This is a perfect example of the way the driveby media works. Most of those who are "for" embryonic stem cell research get all of their "knowledge" regarding the issue from an article such as this. I have yet to find a single person who is for it that knows even the basics.

Jim Quinn in Pittsburgh calls abortion the sacrament of the feminist church.

50 posted on 03/09/2009 8:36:02 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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