Posted on 03/19/2009 8:39:55 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
And so the end of what is barely left of a free America begins...
I think Taps ought to be played every day from here on out...pray for a turnaround before our way of live is completely gone.
bump for later
I’m sure the Supreme Court will have something to say about all this. And I’m sure it will make it that far.
Our Progressive Republican Chief Justice Taft started all of this.
Hopefully our current Chief Justice, John Roberts will make amends.
So you don’t think a Union would make the plant any safer for workers?
In other words, vote your mind - but everyone is going to KNOW how you voted. Your vote is no longer secret, your vote is now PUBLIC. So, vote how ever you want - just don't expect to be able to keep your opinion quiet, or that there won't be any reprecussions for voting against the 'party line'.
If the union tells you to vote one way, and you think it's in your best interests to vote the other way, don't be surprised to see your car trashed, your house burned down, your family threatened or your life endangered. They now have the right to KNOW who voted, and which way they voted.
Is there any legitimate reason to know how someone voted?
At what cost to the company? There's already OSHA and dozens of other federal and state laws ensuring a safe workplace.
The Democrats may try to pass this by voice vote to cover themselves.
You caught the part about this guy DYING didn't you?
Really? So this guy died in an industrial dryer that was properly locked out and in a zero energy state, according to OSHA regs?
That's the point of getting a Union. It's cheaper for the company to ignore the regs when OSHA isn't there to cite them.
Notice how they are still so tight lipped about the circumstances surrounding the accident? That ain't so they can make things safer for the rest of their workforce.
The point isn't to find out how people voted. That's just the only talking point management friendly forces can think of.
The point is not to pin everything on an election the company controls. Didn't you know the so-called "card check" system has ALWAYS been available to management, and has been used by companies like ATT? They don't like it because it keeps the question open instead of allowing them to go back to cheating once they've threatened, cajoled, and fired all the employees willing to stick their neck out to improve conditions and force the company to abide by federal regulations.
These employers are willing to piss away our sovereignty for cheap illegal immigrant workers; you think they blanche at eliminating anyone threatening their margins when abiding by safety regs is so expensive?
In a word, NO!!!
I once worked in an aluminum mill that was a union shop, saw a guy fall into a vat of molten aluminum.
I guess what I am saying is that accidents happen in union shops as well as non union shops.
I have no reply to someone who can deny the manifestly obvious by citing an anecdote.
“You caught the part about this guy DYING didn’t you?”
How exactly will the union prevent anyone from work place death? Please explain.
One of the Union's primary functions is to provide an entity "in house" to hold the company accountable to labor and safety laws without fear of retribution from management.
Where there is a Union, it is impossible to make compliance problems "go away" by firing individuals.
If there is no point to know how an individual voted, then why was the OPEN VOTE portion critical? I can see no reason, absolutely no reason whatsoever, to know how an individual voted unless the intent is to threaten, intimadate, maim or kill someone who disagrees with a particular point of view.
The primary function of a union is to collect union dues and contribute to democratic campaigns.
That’s a false dichotomy. It’s not a choice between safety or no labor union. Labor unions are not the only reason employers work to improve safety in the workplace. If unions were 100% responsible for workplace safety, then why aren’t workers dying off in droves in the Right to Work states
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