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"if the President elect shall have failed to qualify”
3-21-09 | Uncle Sham

Posted on 03/21/2009 9:58:28 AM PDT by Uncle Sham

The twentieth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution contains what might be the key to unlocking the mystery of Barrack Obama’s long-form birth certificate. It reads as follows:

”1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.

6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.”

The portion in bold stating “or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify” in section three is particularly interesting in that it plainly seems to infer that a “qualification” of some sort must be made in order to serve as President. This is further enforced with the passage at the end of section three where it plainly states "until a President or Vice President shall have qualified." Certainly, one cannot argue that it does not require a qualification process for one to “qualify”. To infer that the lack of a “specified” qualification process means that stated eligibility “qualifications” for the office of president can be ignored is fallacious. The wording of this passage in the twentieth amendment clearly infers that a qualification is required, regardless of how this is done. There is only one set of qualifications listed anywhere in the Constitution that are not health related and they are listed in Article two, section one.

” No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

To satisfy meeting the requirement of the twentieth amendment to “qualify”, a president elect must present evidence that he meets it’s requirements for eligibility to serve. This means that a proper birth certificate HAD to be presented by the president elect in order to serve as president. If this was done, where is that certificate and to whom was it presented? If this was done, why would we not have the right to verify and inspect it under the freedom of information act?

If it was NOT done, then under the provisions of the twentieth amendment, Barrack Obama has “failed to qualify” and should not be serving as president of the United States of America.


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To: Aroostok Republican
Also, it is my understanding that the Certification of Live Birth contains all the information necessary for the state department to issue a passport.

Cite? (Appended is what I found ... easily ... and does not appear to support your contention.)

Presuming this is true you seem to have spent some time collecting a significant amount of information, but on one side of the fence only. You also seem quick to dismiss any uncertainty as equivalent to a conspiracy theory.

From the U.S. Department of State website:

STEP 2: Submit Evidence of U.S. Citizenship

When applying for a U.S. passport in person, evidence of U.S. citizenship must be submitted with Form DS-11. All documentation submitted as citizenship evidence will be returned to you. These documents will be delivered with your newly issued U.S. passport or in a separate mailing.

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):

Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

41 posted on 03/21/2009 10:38:04 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: FrankR

I agree. Also did you know his education was paid for by Khalid Al-Mansour from Saudi Arabia? This guy has been groomed to be the president of the United States. Unfortunately, it has been with the help of other people from other countries that have helped him get in.


43 posted on 03/21/2009 10:39:26 AM PDT by packman
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To: Aroostok Republican

Aside from the fact that a few document experts have examined the Cerification of Live Birth and are of the opinion that it is a forgery, the more obvious problem is the fact that the Obama people have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting lawsuits rather than pay $10 and have the long form released. There is also a problem with the withholding of all other records and documents that might prove he was a foreign national who might also have been muslim. The fact that he is hiding everything means that he has something to hide and that means he should not be President of the United States. We already know that he has tried to deny his Marxist beliefs, but he can’t hide from the fact that he did associate with well-known Marxists. There have been many articles exploring his background and even a former FBI official has said that Obama could NOT get a top security clearance because of his background. And yes you are right...he is clearly a puppet of the lunatic left...and that is why we need to prove he is not qualified to be President, because he and his handlers will destroy America as we know it!!!


44 posted on 03/21/2009 10:39:48 AM PDT by Stayfree ((HELP US EXPOSE THE "REAL" BIRTH CERTIFICATE @ REWARD FOR OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE.COM!))
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To: Aroostok Republican

He has caused so much damage in such a short time. By the year 2012, we may not even recognize this country.


45 posted on 03/21/2009 10:40:48 AM PDT by packman
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To: Aroostok Republican
Well, the state of Hawaii confirmed that he is a citizen of Hawaii and that the information in his short form Certification of Live Birth is an accurate representation of his actual birth certificate, which they have on file.

No. The Hawaiian official said the CoLB short form was compliant with Hawaiian law at the time of issue. That Hawaiian law allowed children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian Birth Certificate even if they were born outside of Hawaii, including foreign nations.

46 posted on 03/21/2009 10:42:33 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Aroostok Republican
For starters, his Kenyan grandmother states that she was present at his birth...IN KENYA! It is most interesting that NO ONE is allowed near her to question her! Makes you wonder!
47 posted on 03/21/2009 10:42:38 AM PDT by WellyP (obama must go!)
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To: Aroostok Republican
That doesn't seem to be the case, to me. The CLB says "Yup, he was born...in Hawaii, in Honolulu, on the Island of Oahu." That's a lot different than a certificate that says "Yup, he was born!" do you believe that CLB says something different than the long form certificate? If so, ok. But I'm not sure what you would base that on. If yu think the CLB is more or less accurate, though perhaps incomplete, then there is nothing in the long form BC that could make him not a natural born citizen.

Many, especially those with familiarity with many details of the travels of Ann Dunham in 1961, are responsibly skeptical of the possible Hawaii birth of young Obama. The COLB that was presented by Obama, even if NOT a forgery, as has been shown to be a very good possibility at the very least, and proven possibly, if one accepts the analyses as presented, raises many questions and CANNOT be accepted as determinative of what may be shown on the true Birth Certificate as issues in 1961.

One MUST question why the man has spent many thousands of dollars on legal fees solely to avoid having to produce this document, a document that is available to him upon request and the payment of a modest fee. This is a document that most Americans hold in their personal papers and are called upon to resent for numerous purposes. Why can't Obama simply produce this document?

Aren't you curious?

49 posted on 03/21/2009 10:43:31 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Aroostok Republican

Are you telling me that the state of Hawaii would Issue a certification of live birth that says a person was BORN in Hawaii, in Honolulu, at such and such particular date and time, when in fact the person was not? That sounds crazy to me. What is the source for that?

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Please see the reply to you from John Valentine. It answers your questions.


50 posted on 03/21/2009 10:45:31 AM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: Aroostok Republican
Do you think that the COLB has information on it that isn’t true?

I think that is highly probable. But, unless we get a look at the long form, original Birth Certificate (registration), we just can't know.

51 posted on 03/21/2009 10:47:13 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Uncle Sham
a president elect must present evidence that he meets it’s requirements for eligibility to serve. This means that a proper birth certificate HAD to be presented by the president elect in order to serve as president.

Oh, not this sh*t again!

You post: "the President-elect MUST present evidence..."

Now, AFAIK, NO President-elect, from Washington to little Bush has done this. It's never been asked for, and it's never been voluntarily presented.

There is no specification in the Constitution, as amended, and there's no enabling legislation in the US Code.

So how on Earth can you possibly sustain the claim that Obama MUST do what you want him to do?

53 posted on 03/21/2009 10:47:42 AM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Uncle Sham
If it’s been met, show us the proof. If not, then it STILL has not been met.

So, by your standards, no President of the United States has ever served legally?

55 posted on 03/21/2009 10:49:31 AM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Aroostok Republican

I believe Obama was groomed and put in place by people who would like to see our country destroyed from within.

Every decision he has made has only served to hurt our country. It is plain as day. If he weren’t trying to hurt our country, at least one or two of his decisions would benefit our country; but his decisions have only done things to tear our country down.


56 posted on 03/21/2009 10:49:42 AM PDT by packman
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To: Aroostok Republican
But the CLB says “city of birth, honolulu, HI.” Are you telling me that the State of Hawaii was allowed to print false documents? I’d like to see some documentation of that fact. It doesn’t make any sense that a state would give birth certificates with false information on them.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2139603/posts.

Sun Yat-Sen was issued a Hawaiian birth certificate, as any rudimentary web search would easily show to anyone with a serious interest in the issue.

Are you suggesting no one need look into or review the qualifications of the person who is the sitting president of the U.S., especially considering $12 from Obama could have covered it easily rather than the hundreds of thousands of dollars he or his "friends" must have spent filing motions to dismiss in a over a dozen court cases in different jurisdictions all over the U.S.-- and if so, why?

57 posted on 03/21/2009 10:50:02 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Aroostok Republican
Well, the state of Hawaii confirmed that he is a citizen of Hawaii and that the information in his short form Certification of Live Birth is an accurate representation of his actual birth certificate, which they have on file.

You claim to be "just asking questions" but then make an assertion misrepresenting the facts.

There are numerous threads on this subject, which go into excruciating detail on all these matters, which you could easily read if you genuinely want to know more about this rather than mislead people.

Look, for all I know he was born in Hawaii. But among the questions you are "just asking" is NOT the question as to why Obama is paying lawyers to fight tooth and nail in various courts all over the United States from having to introduce his birth certificate in a court proceeding.

When McCain was challenged in a court proceeding over his own birth issue (regarding the Panama Canal Zone), he simply submitted his birth certificate.

Why do you consider it proper that Obama feels he should be entitled to be president without having to demonstrate the basic constitutional qualification when asked to do so in a court proceeding?

If he actually was born in Hawaii, then I can think of only two reasons why he is fighting so strenuously to conceal his birth certificate.

First, that there is something else important on his birth certificate that he wants to conceal from voters. Given the importance of the office, why are you comfortable with him concealing whatever that is?

Or, second, it has been speculated that perhaps Obama is fighting releasing his birth certificate because he is trying to bait his opponents into raising the issue so he can smear then as fringers and conspiracy theorists. What does this possibility say about the character of Obama? And you have no "questions" as to this?

58 posted on 03/21/2009 10:50:51 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: packman

“It may be the only legal means to get him out of office.”

I think if things continue down this path with people holding tea parties and all the screw ups and the end of capitalism etc., then this just may begin to get traction. It could save the ratings of CNN if they were to investigate it. It would be the story of the decade. I think it will come out at some point.


59 posted on 03/21/2009 10:52:53 AM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Aroostok Republican

Forgot to mention the fact that his Kenyan grandmother has said that he was born in Kenya...


60 posted on 03/21/2009 10:53:30 AM PDT by Stayfree ((HELP US EXPOSE THE "REAL" BIRTH CERTIFICATE @ REWARD FOR OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE.COM!))
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