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A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
The Daily News Record, Harrisonburg, Va. ^ | 2009-03-31

Posted on 03/31/2009 8:48:15 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

For folks increasingly leery of President Obama’s plan to radically overhaul America’s health-care system, or 17 percent of the nation’s economy, all this could hardly have come at a better time — that is, fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romney’s brainchild, Massachusetts’ “grand experiment” in “universal” health care.

Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so. Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide, “RomneyCare” is threatening to bankrupt the state. Budgeted for Fiscal Year 2010 at $880 million, or 7.3 percent more than a year ago, this plan, aimed at providing low- or no-cost health coverage to roughly 165,000 residents, has caused Massachusetts’ overall expenditures on all health-related programs to jump an astounding 42 percent since 2006.

So what does Mr. Romney’s successor, Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick, propose as a remedy for these skyrocketing costs? Well, whaddya think? The standard litany of prescriptions (no pun intended) — price controls and spending caps, for a start, and then, again predictably, waiting periods and limitations on coverage. As in Europe and Canada, so too in Massachusetts. And, we feel certain, everyone from Mr. Romney to Mr. Patrick said, “It would never happen here.” But then, such things are inevitable when best-laid plans, with all their monstrous costs, run smack-dab into fiscal reality.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: anyonebutmitt; dnc4romney; epicfail; failure; govwatch; health; healthcare; heathencare; justsaynotomitt; mcromney; mittcare; mittromney; msm4romney; nomittno; obamacare; rino; rinoalert; rinoparty; rinoromney; romney; romney4obama; romneybringsdeath; romneycare; romneydeathpanels; romneyrino; romneyrinonomittno; romneytruthfile; slickwillard; socialism; socialistagenda; socialistmitt; stenchofromney; vichy

1 posted on 03/31/2009 8:48:15 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Gee, who’d a thunk it?


2 posted on 03/31/2009 8:54:50 AM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Also sprach Telethustra" - NonValueAdded)
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To: rabscuttle385
California, Massachusetts, Michigan.

These are the states to watch. This is what Democrats do when they have power.

California has abundant natural resources and educational and technical resources. Didn't help.
Massachuetts has educational and technical resources. Didn't help.
Michigan has farming and heavy industry. Didn't help.

The Democrats turn everything to crap.

3 posted on 03/31/2009 9:00:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: rabscuttle385

Health care is NOT a right. Health care is a service provided by trained professionals. Health care is a resource that is subject to scarcity, supply and demand rules, and other market factors.

Health care is a human need, but not a right. Even then, as a need it is subject to gray areas.

We *need* food. Most of us use the money from our jobs to buy food. Therefore we need to go to work. Work is miles away, so we need cars to get there. So, as a need, I need the government to provide me with a car. I need it to survive. It’s my RIGHT.


4 posted on 03/31/2009 9:01:21 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: ClearCase_guy

One more reason to not nommiate Romney ever for any office. He is one slick RINO!! barf!!!!


5 posted on 03/31/2009 9:01:54 AM PDT by dhm914
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To: rabscuttle385

Universal health care is like universal public education. It’s a way for the ruling class to get the middle class to pay for the lower class. It guarrantees that those paying will get less than they pay for. And for that reason, it must be coercive.


6 posted on 03/31/2009 9:04:54 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: rabscuttle385

ha ha.

epic fail.

fails everytime its tried.

rationing, kill the old, don’t try to extend life... blah blah


7 posted on 03/31/2009 9:05:28 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: rabscuttle385

socialism is unsustainable


8 posted on 03/31/2009 9:06:29 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
socialism is unsustainable

Sure it is... you just deny that it really is socialism. ;-)

9 posted on 03/31/2009 9:15:18 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: rabscuttle385

Fascist dictator-carpetbagger Mitt Romney chortles
as he inflicts socialized medicine (HillaryCARE=ROmneyCARE)
upon Massachusetts citizens, without one of their votes (the ROMNEYway(TM)).

Sen. John Kerry to Don Imus on RomneyCARE=HillaryCARE: "I like this health care bill".

Sen. Hillary Clinton on RomneyCARE=HillaryCARE: "To come up with a bipartisan plan in this polarized environment is commendable."


THE REAL DEAL:

"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust over three years, a damning Healthcare Commission report said.
The watchdog's investigation found inadequately trained staff who were too few in number, junior doctors left alone in charge at night and patients left without food, drink or medication as their operations were repeatedly cancelled.
Patients were left in pain or forced to sit in soiled bedding for hours at a time and were not given their regular medication, the Commission heard.
Receptionists with no medical training were expected to assess patients coming in to A&E, some of whom needed urgent care.
Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, said there had been a "gross and terrible breach" of patients' trust and a "complete failure of leadership".
The Healthcare Commission's chairman Sir Ian Kennedy said the investigation followed concerns about a higher than normal death rate at the Trust, which senior managers could not explain.
He said: "The resulting report is a shocking story. Our report tells a story of appalling standards of care and chaotic systems for looking after patients. These are words I have not previously used in any report.
"There were inadequacies in almost every stage of caring for patients. There was no doubt that patients will have suffered and some of them will have died as a result."
Julie Bailey, 47, was so concerned about the care being given to her 86-year-old mother Bella at Stafford Hospital that she and her relatives slept in a chair at her bedside for eight weeks.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."


National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood.
Three years ago, the former Massachusetts Governor had the inadvertent good sense to create the "universal" health-care program that the White House and Congress now want to inflict on the entire country.
It is proving to be instructive, as Mr. Romney's foresight previews what President Obama, Max Baucus, Ted Kennedy and Pete Stark are cooking up for everyone else.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis, Governor Deval Patrick and his Democratic colleagues are starting to move down the path that government health plans always follow when spending collides with reality -- i.e., price controls.
As costs continue to rise, the inevitable results are coverage restrictions and waiting periods. It was only a matter of time.

They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006.

What really whipped along RomneyCare were claims that health care would be less expensive if everyone were covered.
But reducing costs while increasing access are irreconcilable issues.
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers.

10 posted on 03/31/2009 9:15:50 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: rabscuttle385

Romney’s signature accomplishment meant to appeal to the political center. Unfortunately for him, this is going to bust him for 2012.

We conservatives will be on his case for it....as will a legion of Democrats.


11 posted on 03/31/2009 9:19:31 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama got Bush's inheritance and now he wants your kids')
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To: swain_forkbeard

Speaking of Public education....most schools pay about $8000.00 a student, so if you aren’t paying way over $8000.00 on your property taxes, someone ELSE is paying for your child’s education, and if you have MULTIPLE children in public school, you owe your friends and neighbors and local business men a HUGE DEBT of GRATITUDE for putting your kids thru school.


12 posted on 03/31/2009 9:19:35 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Let’s see how the state handles it. A black hole for the workers money or sunset the damm thing.


13 posted on 03/31/2009 9:22:32 AM PDT by devistate one four (Cw II on the way! Stand by. TET68)
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To: rabscuttle385

As an admitted Romney supporter . . .

This illustrates a good point. Romneys original plan wasn’t awful, probably just bad. But, when Government Politicians run anything they can’t resist giving more and more away until the program fails. Same for social security, medicare, etc. Each started with a “reasonably” good objective, and if they strictly adhered to their original objectives, they wouldn’t be the huge unfunded liability that they are today.

Short story - lesson learned (again) - Government out of Health Care !


14 posted on 03/31/2009 9:34:45 AM PDT by crescen7 (game on)
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To: rabscuttle385
A little thing like abject failure has never stopped the left from pursing its goals with blind ferocity.

Sickening, really, that a Republican's fingerprints are on this debacle. RomneyCare alone should be the last nail in Mitt-wit's coffin. The fact that he got the Heritage Foundation to endorse it should redound to their everlasting shame.
15 posted on 03/31/2009 9:41:00 AM PDT by Antoninus (So now "change" is defined as "more of the same, but worse"?)
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To: crescen7
I think that the American people love this stuff. Look at the Rass poll on Obama.

The sad thing is is that the American people are going to pay for their lack of vigilance.

When they see the problems all these policies bring, it will be too late to turn them back.

So, I do believe the people will eventually wake up. But I believe also by then it will be too late

16 posted on 03/31/2009 9:44:26 AM PDT by lakertaker (Libertarian Party since 1998)
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To: rabscuttle385

How do you dismantle something like this? Just in case we have to do the same or obamacare. It would be nice to say, “Yes, we can’t undo a government program!”

Didn’t Hawaii shut down a smaller program recently?


17 posted on 03/31/2009 9:56:39 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: dhm914
One more reason to not nommiate Romney ever for any office. He is one slick RINO!! barf!!!!

One question I never hear any pundit or reporter ask:

"Mr. politician please name one (1) country or state where socialized health care is successful".

18 posted on 03/31/2009 10:16:07 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: rabscuttle385

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19 posted on 03/31/2009 10:39:15 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: dearolddad

He had plenty of help. Even Citizens for Limited Taxation and Government went along with it.


20 posted on 03/31/2009 10:39:47 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: rabscuttle385
Budgeted for Fiscal Year 2010 at $880 million, or 7.3 percent more than a year ago, this plan, aimed at providing low- or no-cost health coverage to roughly 165,000 residents,

Over $5,000 a head.

21 posted on 03/31/2009 11:08:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Time to waterboard that teleprompter and find out what it knows.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
How do you dismantle something like this?

Didn't Tennessee discontinue their similar plan as unaffordable? And Hawaii (but I think that was just for children)?

22 posted on 03/31/2009 1:36:55 PM PDT by maryz
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To: dearolddad
One question I never hear any pundit or reporter ask:

"Mr. politician please name one (1) country or state where socialized health care is successful".

That is a good question, but first of all, please define "successful".

Just what would a successful socialized medicine program look like?

23 posted on 03/31/2009 1:45:36 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Hey, Kids! It's the new Mitt Romney! Collect the whole set! Now with awesome stylin' action hair!)
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To: Diogenesis; All

Who are we going to support in the next election?

Jindal? Palin? Are we going to go through another primary with no good choices?


24 posted on 03/31/2009 1:58:23 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: Ann Archy

“...most schools pay about $8000.00 a student...”

Whom do they pay? They sure aren’t paying me or my children.

I think you have it reversed. I pay them. Whether I use them or not. It’s coercive, and it restricts my choices for educating my children.

My point is that universal health care (what this thread was about) will operate similarly. You will have to pay, like it or not, and your options for care will be restricted.

You’re not, by chance, a public school teacher?


25 posted on 03/31/2009 2:01:16 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

yes.....WE pay $8000.00 a student. NO I’m not a public school teacher but I SOUNDED like one.


26 posted on 03/31/2009 2:02:57 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: rabscuttle385; broncobilly; sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj

Say what? You mean it’s not “just like forcing you to buy auto insurance” as Broncobilly once told me or “much better than what the democrats would have done” as someone said. It’s exactly what the democrats wanted and they could have passed it over his veto if he had opposed it.

Or I suppose it’s all Deval’s fault cause he can’t run the socialist program properly like a genius like Romney can.

“I’m Alf Landon and I approve this message because as a Republican I can run FDR’s socialist programs better than him. I can’t believe I only won 2 states with that great platform.”


27 posted on 03/31/2009 10:16:23 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy
Two corrections:
1) that is an oversimplification of anything I would have said. I am against socialized medicine. Also I appreciate people's resistance to mandatory features. I would like to have a medical system something like what we have now, except I would want to make it easier for people to get reasonable insurance if they want it. And I would like to have a system that protects the hospitals who are forced to treat whoever domes to their door. I don't like having my medical costs raised to subsidize people who won't prepare for emergencies. I am open to any reasonable answers to those questions.
2) You say the democrats could have passed the MA system even if Romney had opposed or vetoed it. He did veto 8 features of what was passed. And they did override his vetoes. MA got their modified version of what Romney wanted.
28 posted on 04/01/2009 12:28:09 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: Impy; rabscuttle385; broncobilly; fieldmarshaldj
RE “Well, whaddya think? The standard litany of prescriptions (no pun intended) — price controls and spending caps, for a start, and then, again predictably, waiting periods and limitations on coverage

Naturally. One thing republicans might of proposed was a personal mandatory emergency room insurance policy, for those without insurance. The federal government already forces emergency room to treat patients, including illegals, and no republican suggests changing this law.There would have to be a punishment for those that show up for treatment without it, illegals.

In Maryland they socialize the cost by taxing our hospital bills directly to pay for uninsured. Maryland is illegal friendly and this makes the hospitals illegal friendly.

29 posted on 04/01/2009 5:07:50 AM PDT by sickoflibs (RNC Party Theme : "We stand for nothing but we're not as bad as Pelosi !")
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

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30 posted on 04/01/2009 8:30:45 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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