Posted on 04/10/2009 4:24:42 PM PDT by GOPGuide
New evidence suggests the Turin Shroud could have been the cloth in which Jesus was buried, as experiments that concluded it was a medieval fake were flawed.
Radio carbon dating carried out in 1988 was performed on an area of the relic that was repaired in the 16th century, according to Ray Rogers, who helped lead the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STRP).
At the time he argued firmly that the shroud, which bears a Christlike image, was a clever forgery.
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"Sue and Joe were right. The worst possible sample for carbon dating was taken.
"It consisted of different materials than were used in the shroud itself, so the age we produced was inaccurate."
In the video, made shortly before he died of cancer in March 2005, he said: "I came very close to proving the shroud was used to bury the historic Jesus."
This latest evidence, to be broadcast in The Turin Shroud: New Evidence at 8pm on Sunday on the Discovery Channel, is the latest chapter in the shroud's history.
For the last 21 years most have considered it to be a medieval fake, after the 1988 tests dated it as being made between 1260 and 1390.
The result overturned 10 years of hope among Christians that it was real, after the first scientific tests found evidence of blood and serum stains.
The earliest documented sighting of the shroud is from 1353, but last week a historian claimed in the Vatican's newspaper that she had found a "missing link" in the Holy See's Secret Archives proving the Knights Templar had safeguarded it during the 13th century.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Happy Easter!
If this is the show I watched last weekend, it is well worth the time. Two other scientists, can't remember the names, discovered that the carbon dating pieces came from a part of the shroud that had been repaired between 1200 and 1600. The woman, who said she was clueless about the shroud until she saw some pictures of it on TV made the discovery AND HAS PROVEN IT. Rogers called BS on their paper about the repair and started his own investigation. Before he died, he said, I'll be damned, they're right.
I'll probably catch it again. It was very well done.
Not exactly the type of thing one wants to say on their deathbed, although it might constitute repentance.
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Looks like the liberals are having a tough time trying taking over Easter this year.
If the Shroud is fake, it is really, really good fake. An almost unbelievably good fake considering the technology of the era. I am not a Christian but I do have an open mind about this.
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Virtually all carbon-dating is flawed. It works fine if you have a closed system, but most pld stuff has been subject to distortions
That provides evidence for the presumed chain of custody.
Eventually something other than a chunk of the repair will be tested.
I think they said that the burns were repaired in 2003. The scientists are asking for those pieces that were removed during those repairs since they came from the interior of the shroud instead of the edges. I’d love to see that happen.
“Virtually all carbon-dating is flawed. It works fine if you have a closed system, but most pld stuff has been subject to distortions”
Uh-oh. You are about to be descended upon by rabid evolutionists who proclaim that Carbon-14 dating is sacred and not subject to flaws.
I recently watched a television show on this scientist. It would certainly appear the shroud is back in play.
DNA testing to prove or disprove crime is another modern article of faith, with similarly fanatical believers in its absolute reliability.
That was the same time the Pope announced he had converted to Islam
It would seem if you take the bible literally then the carbon dating is irrelevant. If you accept carbon dating for the shroud, you kinda have to accept carbon dating that shows the earth is much older than 6,000 years.
Or not. Using it to refute the age of an artifact is entirely different from using it to affirm the age of an artifact.
Carbon dating has numerous problems and so does radiometric dating. When an Hawaiian lava flow, known to have occurred in 1801, was tested, twelve times, twelve different results were reached, all varying wildly, none accurate, ranging from 140 million years to nearly 4 billion years, with an average between the twelve of 1.46 billion years. It was less than 200 years old at the time.
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