One Bush ended the Reagan Revolution; Jeb hopes we forget it ever happened

Examiner ^ | 5-6-09 | Phoenix Conservative

[biff]

The whole damn bunch of em, Barbara and Laura excepted, can go straight to hell. From illegals to spending, taxes, “reaching across the isle” and domestic politics, they flat a$$ed screwed the pooch and us along with it.

[mrsmel]

My enemy is the media. They lie to me. Daily. They aren’t at all interested in strengthening the GOP.

Dismiss their reports out of hand.

Ditto

[LibLieSlayer]

Ask yourself which person the media hates most... attacks most... drags their family through the mud most... is written about in degrading terms by the left more than any other person but Rush... the person that draws tens of thousands of people out to meet and hear them speak... and you just might have the next President of the US. They also did and said these same things about Reagan... and we know how well that worked out for the dims. Michael Reagan also knows who this person is... as he said this person is the only true successor to his Father.

LLS

[DoughtyOne]

we have merely needed to explain the old ideas well.

Exactly the point. And that includes adapting them to current problems being faced which will give hope to the young.

I'm sorry we can't come to an understanding here, but we're evidently talking past each other.  I'm not convinced we disagree much on the merits of Conservatism, except that I simply refuse to back off the championing of Ronald Maximus Reagan as it's most important and prolific practioner of note in recent times.

The Michael Phelpses will come along, but until they do, you still reference Mark Spitz as the greatest contemporary of the sport.

You are proposing that we ask folks to take up the sport and support of our team, without mentioning the greatest most inspiring champion in modern times.

If we don’t mention Reagan, who will?

Reagan is passing into history. And if we get new, fresh standard-bearers who articulate conservatism for the future, Reagan will continue to live on with his positive legacy.

Reagan was history once he left office.  I'll be damned if I'll agree to refuse to continually hold him up as the standard bearer, when he is so resoundingly dispised by the left.  They don't dispise the guy because he isn't still important to the cause.

However, if conservatives sit in nostalgia looking only the past and let the Rats rule in DC, those Rats will over time trash Reagan's name.

You are not under the impression that our biggest flaw last fall, was continuing to focus on Ronald Reagan.  Tell me you aren't.

Our problem was focusing on a dufus that didn't even believe in the cause.

We will champion the next Conservative leader.  You don' thave to sweat that.  We will be doing it by explaining that he is the next Ronald Reagan or better.

[DoughtyOne]

You cannot look forward wisely, without remembering the best of the past.

Ronald Reagan will be an integral part of our future plans whether the left pronounces otherwise or not.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[DoughtyOne]

LLS, as much as I may understand your logic, I don’t understand your judgment. Do you honestly think George was another Reagan, and that Jeb will be also?

I say let the media have them both, I sure want no part of them, when it comes to the future leadership of our party.

[cva66snipe]

W. Only respected the Ford/Poppy GOP or the Rockefeller Republicans. He like his dad and brother Jeb had no use for the Reagan GOP. How many high level key Reagan advisers did actually W have? I can't think of any. Now how many of Ford and Poppy's? See the problem? They mostly were Ford and Poppy's advisers. IOW 180 on the GOP political spectrum than Reagan.

GHW Bush was Ronald Reagan's biggest mistake. Allowing the Bush's to be elected POTUS was the GOP’s biggest mistake. Da Bush's as much as Clinton brought us to where we are today.

[LibLieSlayer]

We had one of those moments that in "Cool Hand Luke"... where the Warden said... “What we have here.... is a failure... to communicate". I was talking about Palin! :-)

LLS

[DoughtyOne]

Okay, then please accept my apology. That being the case, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[LibLieSlayer]

No apology necessary!!! I was laughing my arse off at the misque... heck... I bet you were too!

LLS

[DoughtyOne]

I’ll admit, my sense of humor has been severely tested these days, what with the RINOs on the march.

I just hate skewing someone’s intent unfairly like that.

[LibLieSlayer]

We are simpatico... we agree on most everything... we are fellowship in Conservatism... the thought did not pass my mind.

Now go find a rino or a lib and bbq their butt! When you are on a roll... roll on!

LLS

[ckilmer]

The trouble with the Bush’s is that they have intermarried with too many Mexicans. So they’re only talking to Americans out of one side of their mouths.

[hinckley buzzard]

Oh yeah. W respected Reagan by bloating dogshit goobermint even more than Clinton did. Go away with all the G--D-- Bushes. They are poison to the American body politic.

[golf lover]

Jeb, go away. Please!

[meandog]

The fact Bush 1 did not march into Baghdad was because of the agreements that were made while building the fragile coalition that fought with us. Taking Iraq was verboten with almost all of our coalition partners and would have precluded us from doing what we did to take back Kuwait.

There WERE NO set in cement accords with the Saudis; and, even if there were, to hell with them! We were fighting against a documented tyrant the equal to Hitler and we infidels were already on "holy Islamic" land anyway so they had no reason to complain further. Our main coalition partner (the Brits) were with us fore-square the rest could go to hell, IMO, if they didn't like us going into Baghdad. To me, it would be no different that us going across the Elbe River during WWII or telling Zukov he couldn't enter Berlin with his Russians.

To this day I think Bush 2 was allowing the press and the Democrats too much say in the fight in Iraq and thus allowing them to almost lose the objective of trying to help them build their country back up without terrorists. He finally realized that if he did not take back control from the Dims Iraq would be lost and the Dim takeover in our country would have occurred sooner.

The key statement is "he finally realized" meaning: The incompetent dunderhead "realized" too late! He was advised almost two-and-a-half years before the "thumpin'" in 2006 that a surge was needed; he was also told that we went into Iraq with too little ground troops after "shock and awe"! I was with the president in 2001 after 9/11 in hoping that he'd be a better man than his daddy was in standing up to Democrats and would allow our armed forces crush enemies with the same kind of zeal that Eisenhower, Patton, MacArthur, Pershing, Dewey, Jackson, and Sherman displayed. Having experienced failure in Vietnam, I am an advocate of total warfare with overwhelming force always! (Milquetoast approaches at warfare; i.e. Korea, Vietnam have done nothing but embolden the enemy)

The "Mission Accomplished" thing was, and still is, taken out of context completely and is used to denigrate him when he was trying to thank those warriors on that carrier and their Task Force.

Well, he was also out for a photo op; ordinarily a president would come aboard a carrier in a helo wearing a business suit and not by tailhook "trap" in a combat aircraft wearing a flight suit. It was a stunt, pure and simple!

I believe both Bushes were rather bad Presidents and said so during both of their terms in office, but they did do a few things right. A stopped watch is correct twice per day unless it is a 24 hour watch.

I am so angry with both of them...IMO, they are nothing but New England country club, blue-blooded elitist old-monied and out-of-touch "Kennedys" with a bit more class than Kennedys and happen to be a bit more to the right. Reagan was one of us (came up by his own boot straps and earned his way forward); the Bushes inherited everything they have! They might be okay to play a round of golf with and have a glass of beer but that's about it.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks LLS. I appreciate the comments. You’ve expressed to me my thoughts to you. There’s BBQing in the house... LOL

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