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Life prolonging cancer drugs to be banned because they cost too much (UK)
www.dailymail.co.uk ^ | March 5, 2009

Posted on 05/09/2009 9:01:37 PM PDT by lowbridge

Thousands of patients with terminal cancer were dealt a blow last night after a decision was made to deny them life prolonging drugs.

The Government's rationing body said two drugs for advanced breast cancer and a rare form of stomach cancer were too expensive for the NHS.

The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is expected to confirm guidance in the next few weeks that will effectively ban their use.

The move comes despite a pledge by Nice to be more flexible in giving life-extending drugs to terminally-ill cancer patients after a public outcry last year over 'death sentence' decisions.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: healthcare; hillarycare; obamacare; rino; rinoromney; romney; romneycare; socialism; socializedmedicine; uk; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 05/09/2009 9:01:38 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Coming soon to Obamacare. You’d think decisions like this would prompt a public outcry and have the bureaucrats tarred and feathered.


2 posted on 05/09/2009 9:03:21 PM PDT by Crolis (Kill your television!)
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To: lowbridge

Bookmark


3 posted on 05/09/2009 9:03:42 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Ask His forgiveness. Don't wait.)
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To: lowbridge
Par for the Socialized medicine course.

Read Sally Pipe's “Top 10 Myths about American Healthcare.” It's excellent.

4 posted on 05/09/2009 9:05:05 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: lowbridge

Coming to the USA. I mean the USSA.


5 posted on 05/09/2009 9:05:11 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Pajamajan

No kidding. I think next time I’m on Kos and someone wants to talk about universal healthcare, I’ll link this.


6 posted on 05/09/2009 9:05:51 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: Crolis
This is why the names, addresses and personal information regarding such people (those on such boards) must be made public knowledge.

We can't have a situation like we do with federal judges where their addresses are kept secret.

7 posted on 05/09/2009 9:06:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lowbridge

Grind their corpses up into Soylent Green.

The State Uber Alles.


8 posted on 05/09/2009 9:07:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" is being shipped from the printer.)
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To: lowbridge
The Ø-care policy will ban anything more expensive than Aspirin.

Unless, of course, you belong to certain favored “protected classes”.

9 posted on 05/09/2009 9:10:06 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: lowbridge

That nasty Nice.


10 posted on 05/09/2009 9:10:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Crolis; lowbridge; Covenantor; Howie
The worst aspect is NOT that health care will be rationed, and many will suffer or die.

The worst aspect is that it will elevate unelected bureaucrats to a God-like status.

Ordinary people will have to grovel and beg and prostrate themselves before unelected bureaucrats, trying to get a life-saving waiver for themselves or their family members.

If the rationing and suffering was shared equally it would be bad enough.

But it won't be. Those with political connections will zip to the front of the line. Those out of favor will have their paperwork “lost.”

This gives political hacks the power of life and death over us, and will turn us into groveling beggars.

11 posted on 05/09/2009 9:12:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" is being shipped from the printer.)
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To: Crolis

“Coming soon to Obamacare.”

Coming Soon? It has been here for some time now. Anyone in clinical medicine knows about the routine denial of reimbursement for Sutent which is about four grand a month. If you think private insurance is more compassionate than U.K.’s socialist NHS, you are sorely mistaken.

I can’t speak for Lapatinib because I have no data on it but I’m sure a google news of it should turn up a denial or two. Socialized medicine does not hold a monopoly on treatment denials, private insurance in the US holds its own in that department.


12 posted on 05/09/2009 9:12:43 PM PDT by jackmercer
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To: lowbridge

That’s OK because there are two health systems in the UK—one for the masses and one for the rich. Let them eat cake.


13 posted on 05/09/2009 9:13:26 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kc8ukw

On Kos? You are a brave, brave soul.

That is a nest for pit vipers.


14 posted on 05/09/2009 9:16:49 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (:)
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To: lowbridge

bluntly...government takes from you and yours....to WHAT end?!!!


15 posted on 05/09/2009 9:17:26 PM PDT by mo
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To: Travis McGee

Just wait Travis. We’re on such a slope, which has been slathered with Crisco these days, that I believe that during my lifetime I may witness women in the US being told to report to clinic 5 for an abortion because Obamacare has already covered two pregnancies and more than two is selfish and bad for the environment.


16 posted on 05/09/2009 9:19:51 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (:)
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To: Travis McGee
This gives political hacks the power of life and death over us, and will turn us into groveling beggars.

And to think that when we arrived here as DP's in 1950 we thought we had escaped that forever.

PS. Seems as though C.S Lewis' fictional N.I.C.E. from "That Hideous Strength" has become fact. Excellent trilogy for today's home schooled youts.

17 posted on 05/09/2009 9:22:49 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: ChicagahAl

The Ø-care policy will ban anything more expensive than Aspirin.
Unless, of course, you belong to certain favored “protected classes”.
________________________________

Google this: Nomenklatura

That’s where we’re headed and damned quick, too.


18 posted on 05/09/2009 9:23:29 PM PDT by unkus
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To: lowbridge
Tom Dasshole promotes this exact plan in his book.

Link:

One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”
And remember, Arlen Specter, a couple of days before he voted for Porkulus, said he'd see to it these health care provisions would be removed. Sure thing Arlen, you liar!
19 posted on 05/09/2009 9:24:36 PM PDT by upchuck (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office.)
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To: Travis McGee

And ACORN types will sort out the conservatives for “special” treatment.


20 posted on 05/09/2009 9:25:45 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Crolis

They soon will start giving out free cigarettes now that it has been determined to actually save health system money rather than costing the system more money.


21 posted on 05/09/2009 9:30:01 PM PDT by dila813
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To: jackmercer

Yes....I hear ya....however....I’m one of those who the private insurance company would have loved for me to be taking $10,000 a year RA drugs.....they would have paid a good portion of them....but, since I didn’t believe I really had RA, and opted for bio-ID hormones (and was cured of my ailment).....they won’t pay for those....insurance is screwed up because OF government intervention I believe.


22 posted on 05/09/2009 9:32:26 PM PDT by goodnesswins (WE have a REPUBLIC.....IF we can KEEP IT!!!)
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To: upchuck
Regarding my reply in 19 above, here are a couple of links about Arlen and healthcare:

“We are not going to let the federal government monitor what doctors do,” Sen. Arlen Specter told Fox News on Tuesday.

Specter Clueless on Health Care Provisions in Porkulus Bill <-video

23 posted on 05/09/2009 9:37:07 PM PDT by upchuck (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office.)
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To: kc8ukw
I'm sure you could find hundreds, if not thousands, of examples like this one- health care being rationed in socialist utopias, and the terrible consequences that go with it.

I'd like to think the American people can't be so stupid, that they would throw away their far-superior-to-anywhere-else health system .

I just don't know anymore.

Pray for our nation.

24 posted on 05/09/2009 9:39:24 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Ask His forgiveness. Don't wait.)
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To: lowbridge
Rationing: Daschle, Obama, Hillary! (DOH!) kare is the fix for the Social Security / Medicare funding problems.
25 posted on 05/09/2009 9:47:16 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: upchuck

“One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective.”

The purpose of that office is to setup University studies (the same people that do all these studies already), to avoid stuff like this:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/438238

$3.25 billion a year lining the pockets of surgeons for nothing more than what amounts to a placebo pill.


26 posted on 05/09/2009 9:52:25 PM PDT by jackmercer
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To: lowbridge

Lapatinib is used as a treatment for women’s breast cancer in patients who have HER2-positive advanced breast cancer that has progressed after previous treatment with other chemotherapeutic agents, such as anthracycline, taxane-derived drugs, or trastuzumab (Herceptin, Genentech).

A 2006 GSK-supported randomized clinical trial on female breast cancer previously being treated with those agents (anthracycline, a taxane and trastuzumab) demonstrated that administrating lapatinib in combination with capecitabine delayed the time of further cancer growth compared to regime that use capecitabine alone. The study also reported that risk of disease progression was reduced by 51%, and that the combination therapy was not associated with increases in toxic side effects

Dosing. The recommended dose of lapatinib is 1,250 mg (5 tablets) taken orally once daily on Days 1 to 21 continuously in combination with capecitabine 2,000 mg/m2/d (taken orally in 2 doses approximately 12 hours apart) on Days 1 to 14 in a repeating 21-day cycle. Lapatinib should be taken ;1 hour before or after a meal; capecitabine should be taken with food or within 30 minutes after food.

Pricing. Lapatinib is expected to cost approximately $2,900 per month, or approximately $96 per daily dose.


27 posted on 05/09/2009 9:53:05 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: jackmercer

Sorry, that link may require a login, try here:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/07/020712075415.htm


28 posted on 05/09/2009 9:55:03 PM PDT by jackmercer
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To: Pajamajan
I suggest creation of FREE STATES that would tell the Feds to go rectal themselves. These states could set up free-market health care systems or whatever system suits their situation. A state like Texas with it's many first-rate medical centers would become a medical cartel.
29 posted on 05/09/2009 10:09:51 PM PDT by yadent
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To: Crolis

“You’d think decisions like this would prompt a public outcry and have the bureaucrats tarred and feathered.”

The outcry should be that the FDA, PharmaNazi’s & AMA suppress cancer cures and promote very expensive drugs that rarely succeed in ridding the patient of cancer and often kill the patient.

Many suppressed, but successful cancer treatments are available from natural sources, but lack of patentability makes them personna-non-grata in allipathic medicine because there is no money in it.

Where IS the outcry?


30 posted on 05/09/2009 10:10:17 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: dila813

Why should they hand out free cigarettes, when they make $3 a pack when they’re bought?


31 posted on 05/09/2009 10:13:59 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: kabar

Some bureaucrat surely will propose that these meds not be purchased with private money, because it would be “unfair.”


32 posted on 05/09/2009 10:14:47 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: yadent
"Suggest creation of FREE STATES"

The fed won't allow free states to be created.

33 posted on 05/09/2009 10:19:18 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Ask His forgiveness. Don't wait.)
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To: Travis McGee
The worst aspect is that it will elevate unelected bureaucrats to a God-like status.

Yep. Some day some affirmative action democrat flunkie will be sitting at a grey metal coffee-stained desk looking at your medical record and humming to herself, "eeny-meeny miney-moe. He shall stay and You shall Go." ("Hehehe *cackle!*' as you get plopped on the "rejected" pile.)

34 posted on 05/09/2009 10:37:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pajamajan
That's where the rectal part comes in. Freedom—Either get busy living or get busy dying. So far I see alot of slow dying. The federal government isn't allowed to do many things under the Constitution but they are.
35 posted on 05/09/2009 10:38:13 PM PDT by yadent
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To: lowbridge

This has been going on for quite some time.

And there are people who have sold their homes or cashed in their investments to get the drugs... just to have the National Health kick them off the register.

Their theory being that if they can afford to buy that unapproved medicine... then they are too rich to qualify for the National Health.

And please, learn about the Post Code Lottery... that is just disgusting, too.


36 posted on 05/09/2009 10:44:04 PM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: Travis McGee
Those with political connections will zip to the front of the line.

This happens sometimes now. I remember Mickey Mantle getting a liver transplant that failed and I remember being conflicted. I thought, I like Mickey and he has brought joy to a lot of people, but I also thought, this is not going to work and we are wasting a liver on him.

37 posted on 05/10/2009 12:20:27 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Travis McGee
But it won't be. Those with political connections will zip to the front of the line. Those out of favor will have their paperwork “lost.”

This gives political hacks the power of life and death over us, and will turn us into groveling beggars.

And the bureaucrat that issues the "death sentence" to me or mine will suffer one of his/her own. I can guarantee it.

38 posted on 05/10/2009 12:42:45 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Crolis

Image what would happen if Hillary and her cohorts needed expensive cancer treatments.


39 posted on 05/10/2009 2:13:24 AM PDT by x_plus_one ("Salvation comes about though change in individual lives, not through the ending of unjust society")
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To: lowbridge

Election2008 Spoiler, GOP backstaber, Mitt Romney chortles,
as he inflicts his socialized medicine (HillaryCARE=ROmneyCARE)
upon the Massachusetts citizens without any of their votes (like he did everything else).


"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust over three years, a damning Healthcare Commission report said.
The watchdog's investigation found inadequately trained staff who were too few in number, junior doctors left alone in charge at night and patients left without food, drink or medication as their operations were repeatedly cancelled.
Patients were left in pain or forced to sit in soiled bedding for hours at a time and were not given their regular medication, the Commission heard.
Receptionists with no medical training were expected to assess patients coming in to A&E, some of whom needed urgent care.
Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, said there had been a "gross and terrible breach" of patients' trust and a "complete failure of leadership".
The Healthcare Commission's chairman Sir Ian Kennedy said the investigation followed concerns about a higher than normal death rate at the Trust, which senior managers could not explain.
He said: "The resulting report is a shocking story. Our report tells a story of appalling standards of care and chaotic systems for looking after patients. These are words I have not previously used in any report.
"There were inadequacies in almost every stage of caring for patients. There was no doubt that patients will have suffered and some of them will have died as a result."
Julie Bailey, 47, was so concerned about the care being given to her 86-year-old mother Bella at Stafford Hospital that she and her relatives slept in a chair at her bedside for eight weeks.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."


"Paramedics told: 'Let accident victims die if they want to' in new row over patient rights (UK)"
Health Service paramedics have been told not to resuscitate terminally-ill patients who register on a controversial new database to say they want to die.
It has been set up by the ambulance service in London for hundreds of people who have only a few months to live so that they may register their 'death wishes' in advance.
It is believed to be the first in the country, but other trusts around the country are expected to follow suit to comply with Government guidelines which state that patients' wishes should be taken into account, even at the point of death.
Patients' groups and doctors have welcomed the scheme, but it has met opposition from pro-life groups who say it violates the sanctity of life.
The system would come into play if a cancer patient, for example, was in serious pain and rang 999 for help to alleviate the suffering.
But if the paramedics arrived and the patient was close to death, he or she would not be resuscitated if such a request was registered on the database.
This would also be the case if a patient on the database was being transferred between hospitals, and had a heart attack.
Dominica Roberts from the Pro-Life Alliance said: 'This is very sad and very dangerous. It's another step along the slippery slope, at the bottom of which is euthanasia as we see in Holland. 'Paramedics should be there to save lives. They should not be there to let patients die. The medical profession should not agree with someone's belief that their life is worthless.'"


"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
"Three years ago, the former Massachusetts Governor had the inadvertent good sense to create the "universal" health-care program that the White House and Congress now want to inflict on the entire country.
It is proving to be instructive, as Mr. Romney's foresight previews what President Obama, Max Baucus, Ted Kennedy and Pete Stark are cooking up for everyone else.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis, Governor Deval Patrick and his Democratic colleagues are starting to move down the path that government health plans always follow when spending collides with reality -- i.e., price controls.
As costs continue to rise, the inevitable results are coverage restrictions and waiting periods. It was only a matter of time.

They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006.

What really whipped along RomneyCare were claims that health care would be less expensive if everyone were covered.
But reducing costs while increasing access are irreconcilable issues.
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."


A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
"The Daily News Record, Harrisonburg, Va. - 2009-03-31 "
"For folks increasingly leery of President Obama’s plan to radically overhaul America’s health-care system,
or 17 percent of the nation’s economy, all this could hardly have come at a better time —
that is, fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romney’s brainchild, Massachusetts’ “grand experiment” in “universal” health care."

"Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so.
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide,
“RomneyCare” is threatening to bankrupt the state. Budgeted for Fiscal Year 2010 at $880 million,
or 7.3 percent more than a year ago, this plan, aimed at providing low- or no-cost health coverage to roughly 165,000 residents,
has caused Massachusetts’ overall expenditures on all health-related programs to jump an astounding 42 percent since 2006.

So what does Mr. Romney’s successor, Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick, propose as a remedy for these skyrocketing costs?
Well, whaddya think? The standard litany of prescriptions (no pun intended) — price controls and spending caps, for a start, and then, again predictably, waiting periods and limitations on coverage.
As in Europe and Canada, so too in Massachusetts. And, we feel certain, everyone from Mr. Romney to Mr. Patrick said, “It would never happen here.”
But then, such things are inevitable when best-laid plans, with all their monstrous costs, run smack-dab into fiscal reality.


"Dem Congresswoman Admits Obama Health Care Plan Will Destroy Private Health Insurance Industry"

40 posted on 05/10/2009 3:43:30 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Diogenesis
What most here seem to be missing is, the fact that Government run Health care will be handled like Social Security/FICA payments out of everyone’s paycheck.

Not only will the cost of running this system be more than twice the cost of running it on a private level, the funds will wind up in the same mess like the one we have for SS/FICA. Much of the funds will go out to the Senators and Reps. for PORK projects and budget irresponsibility like the current system is so well known for.

The Government will attempt to cover up their gross incompetence by forcing clinics, doctors, etc, to take less pay, which will cut research and development. They will also still make the system liable for lawsuits, in order to keep the Lawyer lobby happy. So, we will have countless lawsuits and court fiasco's mucking up the process and the taxpayers will be left holding the tab when the lawyers get paid for sucking more blood from the system.

This is the real reason to do all we can to stop this. Even though I believe there is not much any of can do at this point. It will pass before the year is out, like all the other impulsive/poisonous legislation has.

41 posted on 05/10/2009 4:07:30 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Winstons Julia

Naturally. The Obamites greatly admire China’s “pragmatism.”


42 posted on 05/10/2009 4:13:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" is being shipped from the printer.)
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To: lowbridge

bump


43 posted on 05/10/2009 6:47:30 AM PDT by lowbridge (It's not that liberals are ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't so - Ronald Reagan)
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To: lowbridge

bump


44 posted on 05/10/2009 6:47:47 AM PDT by lowbridge (It's not that liberals are ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't so - Ronald Reagan)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
A couple of years ago Wisconsin was looking at providing Universal health care for its residents. Both the Wall Street Journal, and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (a very liberal paper) looked at the costs, and they both determined it would cost each worker in Wisconsin an average of $500.00 a month PER worker, funded through a payroll tax like SS is now. That of course was an average!

We all know that workers making $25,000 a year would pay much less than that, and those making $100,000 a year would pay a heck of a lot more.

My husband and I make around $100,000 a year combined right now, and his company provides healthcare with a small deductible but no premiums or copays (I know we are lucky) but for us that would be an automatic $1,000 a month cut in pay minimum. On top of the extra taxes we already pay over the minimum wage worker, we just can't afford it.

People tend to forget, that besides taxes, middle income people pay more for a lot of stuff. Our son is a freshman in college, because of our income, and the fact that he is a white male, of average grades, and not very athletically inclined we pay FULL price for tuition. He is not eligible for grants, and even student loans are non subsidized meaning he pays interest on them from the beginning.

45 posted on 05/10/2009 7:15:58 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The Government will attempt to cover up their gross incompetence by forcing clinics, doctors, etc, to take less pay, which will cut research and development.

Yes. And, why would any rational person want to be a doctor under these circumstances? Thus, we are going to lose many good doctors and talented individuals who otherwise would have gone into medicine and been excellent doctors.

46 posted on 05/10/2009 8:20:22 AM PDT by wolf24 ("Reality is putting The Onion out of business...")
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To: Boiling Pots

because, you save more money through NHS than you make through taxing them.

Lets face it, people are living too long.


47 posted on 05/10/2009 10:14:21 AM PDT by dila813
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To: lowbridge

From what I remember of living in the states, health insurance companies also tried to ‘ration’ healthcare in a similar way. The worse your insurance, the more rationing there would be. Oh, and if you had a history of health problems. Forget it. One of our neighbours had a heart attack and he couldn’t get health insurance for three years after that.
Of course, as in the states, if you’ve got enough money, you can pay for your treatment privately yourself, but that requires you to be loaded. Either way, the richest will get the best medical care. It’s just the way it is....


48 posted on 05/10/2009 4:39:12 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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