Posted on 05/13/2009 5:48:33 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
Walls do not last forever
With anguish, I have witnessed the situation of refugees who, like the Holy Family, have had to flee their homes. And I have seen, adjoining the camp and overshadowing much of Bethlehem, the wall that intrudes into your territories, separating neighbors and dividing families.
Although walls can easily be built, we all know that they do not last for ever. They can be taken down. First, though, it is necessary to remove the walls that we build around our hearts, the barriers that we set up against our neighbours.
That is why, in my parting words, I want to make renewed plea for openness and generosity of spirit, for an end to intolerance and exclusion. No matter how intractable and deeply entrenched a conflict may appear to be, there are always grounds to hope that it can be resolved, that the patient and persevering efforts of those who work for peace and reconciliation will bear fruit in the end.
Benedict XVI
Farewell ceremony in the courtyard of the Palestinian Presidential Palace
May 13, 2009
I guess they drank the Kosher kool aid.
You said it better than I could.
And add your in earlier point about other Catholics and Christians in close quarters with Muslims in other parts of the world, parts no less beset by turmoil and religious/ethnic strife...the pope has responsibilities that extend past Israel.
I don’t mean to be argumentative but where in the Bible does it say that a Palestianian state can’t be established? The jews were promised a homeland but I don’t see that being inconsistent with a Palestianian state in a theoretical sense. I saw theoretical because security problems makes establishing a Palestian State a bad idea but that is a separate issue and not my point. I’m saying the Bible doesn’t include a map stating the boundaries of Jordan, Eqypt and these nations. These are worldly matters not spiritual matters.
Now Gerlitzky is worried about a thing called anniliation from Iran. So I can understand where he is coming from. I cut him tons of slack and wish him well. But I’d like to hear the Pope’s side of the story. I’ll bet the Pope just stated his position and did not demand anything. After all the Pope is not saying much different than most leaders in the U.S. are saying including both Bush and Obama. I don’t necessarily agree with it but it is not radical, it is mainstream, conventional political thinking and it doesn’t conflict with the Bible.
Having said that I don’t agree with a Palestian State only because I don’t think security is possible but thats the only reason. If security could somehow be managed I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But that would be an academic position givin what we know about muslims and how maintaining security in such a situation is infeasible
So the Pope is doing nothing to confront the evil in this world? is that what you're saying?
Sure they do..I’ll go dig up my resources even though you don’t have anything to do, but assert fictitious history.
Yes, with respect to Islam...he’s not! I could quote past Popes and compare them to his quotes, but do I really need to bother?
Or he could have talked about the plight of the Maronites in Lebanon who were abandoned to Hezbollah by a certain powerful nation whose border they used to protect.
Israel statehood timeline: Truman Library
Including the links found in this section of the page:
UN Resolution 181, defined the outline of a settlement in Palestine creating both a Jewish and a Palestinian homeland. The 1947 UN Partition divided the area into three entities: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone around Jerusalem.
A lot of this historical perspective and background gets lost in the rhetoric about Islamist fundamentalism and their desire to destroy Israel. We must not and cannot allow that to happen, and we should respect the rights of Palestinians to have a homeland since a basis for that does indeed exist -- nothwithstanding those here who think otherwise.
could you clarify on what you said as right now you seem to have a different view to everyone else to what I said?
I’ll post what you said to help you
Are you typing by candle light? Or in the dark maybe?
Why????????????????????????????????
Good luck on digging up transgressions and difficulties between Arabs and Jews prior to the founding of the state of Israel. Yes, they do exist -- surprise (!!!) and these battles have occurred for the past couple of thousand years. The question is, when will they end? In our lifetimes?
Probably not. Good night.
and America
they are taking over this country too, there is a rumor that even the man in the white house is one
Yes, I think you should.
Your assertion is not self-evident at all, so, please, provide some evidence.
My post was in regards to spelling and grammar of your post, not the content.
The pope has violated the Lateran Treaty, it says “The Pope was pledged to perpetual neutrality in international relations and to abstention from mediation in a controversy unless specifically requested by all parties.” He has no standing in Israeli affairs. he needs to look into why the University of Notre Dame invited zero to speak there, not a Sovereign nation surrounded by 1000 million moon-god worshiping idiots.
If Israel gets strangled and destroyed then Muslim triumphalism will rise to a fever pitch
They are already taking over Europe
Only an idiot fails to see this
Jews and Israel may be ornery and tough to deal with but the Muslims are 1000 worse and have 100 times the numbers
good question and I bet not answered
the fact is that for hundreds of years Jews and Christians lived there together
then a man in a cave said he talked ot God and some dopes believed him
Now comes the Islam religion
hundreds of years later they moved and and born into the holy lands
Years later they say it is there because they say mo hammed got on a horse and fly back from heaven
ARF
course they build a big building and no where in their book does it even mention the holy lands but they claim it due to immigration
They seem to forget that the crusades was done because they took our, yes OUR holy land over
Now due to birth rates and immigration they think it is theirs when it is not
when the liberals go on about this they forget that history does not start at 1948 but goes back many years before
They forget the land of Judea etc
It is ours and yes Jews but certainly not Muslims and they need to get out of places like the birth of Jesus or at least state they moved into theirs but it is not holy to their made up religion from a man who lived in a cave and woke up one morning and said he spoke to God and the went on making others believe his word
As with Catholics in Poland under the Communists, for Catholics under Islam, the first task is to survive. This requires that the Pope's words and gestures of support for Israel must be measured instead of absolute and stated in the terms that Israelis prefer.
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