Posted on 05/13/2009 5:48:33 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
GPS coordinates, no, ACORN wasn't around then, but they're there. At the risk of offending XeniaSt, they're not relevant politically, but they're easily found.
The Bible is not a geography book nor does it state boundaries of countries. Anyone that thinks the Bible says there can’t be a Palestian state is ignorant of the Bible and has no business trying to instruct others.
There is nothing in the Bible that pertains to establishment of a Palestian State - nothing. There is nothing that precludes where a Palestinian state could be established - either inside or outside of Israel. It is incredible to me how people make up things out of thin air and then try to lecture others. The Bible is not a UN book describing country boundaries.
“but deny it to Catholics who trace their spiritual heritage to the very same patriarchs, events, Covenants, and artifacts. “
Huh? Are you saying God gave Israel to the Catholics? FYI, Israel does not advocate expelling Catholics.
“Your anti-Catholic hatred is every bit as ugly as the antisemitism you protest.”
Wow. The Pope stuck his mitre into the sovereign state of Israel’s business. Not just any business, existential business. And for my objection to that, I get called anti-Catholic.
Let the Pope butt out. Let his representative who called Gaza a Holocaust shut up. And so will I. I don’t even care who he reinstates, who he beautifies. That’s Catholic business. And Israel’s borders are Jewish business.
Go back and read the beginning of #150. Then you will realize some don’t learn because they are unteachable.
Did you thank the poster for the ‘map’ and verses you said weren’t in the Bible?
1. The Lord spoke to Moses, saying:2. Command the children of Israel and say to them, When you arrive in the land of Canaan, this is the land which shall fall to you as an inheritance, the land of Canaan according to its borders.
3. Your southernmost corner shall be from the desert of Zin along Edom, and the southern border shall be from the edge of the Sea of Salt [the Dead Sea] to the east.
4. The border then turns south of Maaleh Akrabim [elevation of Akrabim], passing toward Zin, and its ends shall be to the south of Kadesh barnea. Then it shall extend to Hazar addar and continue toward Azmon.
5.The border then turns from Azmon to the stream of Egypt, and its ends shall be to the sea.
6.The western border: it shall be for you the Great [Mediterranean] Sea and the border this shall be your western border.
7. This shall be your northern border: From the Great [Mediterranean] Sea turn yourselves toward Mount Hor.
8.From Mount Hor turn to the entrance of Hamath, and the ends of the border shall be toward Zedad.
9.The border shall then extend to Ziphron, and its ends shall be Hazar enan; this shall be your northern border.
10.You shall then turn yourselves toward the eastern border, from Hazar enan to Shepham
: 11 The border descends from Shepham toward Riblah, to the east of Ain. Then the border descends and hits the eastern shore of Lake Kinnereth.
12. The border then continues down along the Jordan, and its ends is the Sea of Salt [the Dead Sea]; this shall be your Land according to its borders around.
13. Moses commanded the children of Israel saying, "This is the Land which you are to apportion for inheritance through lot, that the Lord has commanded to give to the nine and a half tribes.
You mean the verses that state Moses was told the southern boundary of their “inheritance” was Edom. Israel currently has land south and west of it. Those verses? What does that have to do with the land boundaries of a Palestian state? There are no verses in the Bible to define where a Palestian state could or could not be formed or any country boundaries for that matter. A Palestian state could be formed anywhere, South Israel, Gaza Strip, etc and the Bible does not have anything to say about it. Are you claiming it does. Where?
see post #186
When the "sovereign state of Israel's" chief exports are world tension and pleas for financial and military assistance, in that order, everybody affected has a right to poke what ever the want into Israel in exchange.
Israel’s borders are Jewish business."
When Israel can contain its problems within its own borders they can be free to tell the world to butt out. Non-Israeli Jews have no more rights in this respect than Catholics.
I’d rather not hear from you anymore - you’re much too clueless and, I admit, I don’t have the patience for you.
I can understand since you are unable to answer my questions. Israel could establish a Palestinian State in downtown Jerusalem and there is no “commandment” in the Bible that prohibits that. Israel can do whatever they want. The Bible does not dictate country boundaries. It’s not personal it’s business. Iron sharpens iron.
baruch HaShemshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
“When the “sovereign state of Israel’s” chief exports are world tension and pleas for financial and military assistance, in that order, everybody affected has a right to poke what ever the want into Israel in exchange.”
WOW! Now you have revealed yourself. You have failed the test of anti-Semitism as brilliantly defined by Natan Sharansky
http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-sharansky-f04.htm
Israel is self-sufficient. They are a first world country. They are the third leading military exporter in the world. They have never needed/asked anyone to fight for them unlike Europe. They are a leader in Nobel Prizes, science, medical, agricultural, and technological inventions. All of this and they are only 60 years old and are a country of 7 million people.
All of their “problems” are indeed within and about their own borders so they are internal in every sense of the word.
Do not post to me any more your anti-Israel, Holocaust minimizing slanders. Even your Pope would be cringing at this point.
Boy, do you have it wrong. I have lived and worked in Israel and know, first hand, that Israel is not a peer of the major western powers primarily because of scope and scale of its economy. This is not a "Jewish thing" either. Israel is comparable to Ireland in population and GDP and has had to deal with sectarian violence and holocausts, but this does not entitle them to dictate to the US. Do not deceive yourself into believing that Israel is self sufficient. If not for the largess of the American tax payer and guilt payments of major European countries grass would grow in the streets. Israel cannot depend upon the US (and American Christians and Catholics) for security and charity for its existence and then righteously demand that we mind our own business. If we did Israel would surely perish at the hands of the "friendly natives".
Are you denying that Catholics are the spiritual descendants of Abraham?
No, you have it wrong.
I am in Israel all the time. Half my family lives and works there. I do business there.
Israel is extremely self-sufficient, moreso than Europe whose defense is at American hands and American expense. Now, not only in the last two world wars. (200 billion a year buried in the defense budget and NATO which is worthless) No US soldiers have ever died fighting for Israel.
You need to look at some real numbers not give me the benefit of your stupidity from your supposed living there way back when. What they get from the US is the same thing Egypt gets by law. Do we dictate to Egypt? Israel is not a failed state like Pakistan, Jordan, Egypt and most of the other places we give aid.
They get nothing from Europe except trade. In fact Europe funds their enemies which Israel then has to spend money disarming. The US funds the Palistinians too undermining Israeli defense efforts.
None of this or anything else gives the US, or so called Chritians like yourself, the right to dictate anything to a sovereign country like Israel.
They certailny don’t need charity from haters like you.
what the heck is a “spiritual descendant?”
God gave Israel to the Jewish people not the Catholics. But conversion is always available if you really want it.
The Catholic record of treating Jews in Europe is terrible (see 3/12/2000 Pope John Paul Mass of Pardons). Humility and contrition would suit you better.
I could give you a very long dissertation on how the gift to Abraham was the part of a covenant, how that covenant was broken and how Christ represents a New and Everlasting covenant. I could cite numerous New Testament passages that equate Greek (Gentile) and Jew but that would still require a missing component of faith from you. Your mind and heart are closed so no further dialog is possible. Suffice it to say that the Pope has as much, in not more, legitimate right to advise and chastise the secular government of Israel than non-Israeli Jews.
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