Skip to comments.Has a "smoking gun" been found ... (AP/Politico Article just pulled)
Posted on 05/21/2009 6:56:39 PM PDT by markomalley
Has a "smoking gun" been found to prove Obama was not born a U.S. citizen? Did he attend Occidental College on a scholarship for foreign students?
I recently received this and wanted to know if it is accurate, and what the implications are.
OBAMA - SMOKING GUN FINALLY FOUND?
April 1, 2009
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obamas qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has released copies of President Obamas college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obamas detractors have been seeking.
This chain e-mail is a transparent April Fools' Day hoax. It fabricates an AP news story about an nonexistent group, and makes false claims about Obama and the Fulbright program.
We contacted The Associated Press just to confirm what should be obvious, that no such news story ever appeared on the news agency's wires. Jack Stokes, the AP's manager of media relations, gave us this statement:
Furthermore, the group that the fake story credits with gaining release of the supposed "smoking gun" documents is also a fake. Searches of news accounts and Internet sites showed no trace of any group called "Americans for Freedom of Information," until recently. On May 6 such a group did appear, but only as a joke to make fun of anyone who had fallen for the April Fools' Day gag. An anonymous blogger set up a site calling itself "Americans for Freedom of Information: We Do Not Exist." Its first entry begins:
Where Truth Ends
Not all versions of this e-mail carry the telltale April 1 dateline, however. And more than a month after it first appeared we continue to get questions about whether it is true, and to see postings on conservative blogs that seem to accept its claims as fact. But not only is the message a hoax, its key claims are as false as they can be.
Among the few claims that are true in this message is that from fall 1979 through spring 1981 Obama attended Occidental College, a small (currently 1,825 students, according to its Web site) school in Los Angeles. After that he transferred to Columbia University in New York City to finish his undergraduate education. The photo here is from his application to Occidental.
No Fulbright: Contrary to what this e-mail claims, Obama's scholarship wasn't a Fulbright. It's true that many foreign students come to the U.S. under the Fulbright program, sponsored by the United States Department of State's Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. But Fulbrights for foreign students are primarily intended for graduate students studying for masters' degrees or Ph.D. degrees, not for college freshmen and sophomores.
No "Soetoro": Another false claim is that Obama attended and received financial aid "under the name Barry Soetoro," using the surname of his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro. The college's Director of Communications Jim Tranquada told us there's no record of that. He told us in an e-mail:
No Records: It's not even true that Occidental has released Obama's student records, as claimed in the message. Nor have courts ordered any such records to be made public. According to the college spokesman:
Furthermore there's no trace of the supposed Daily Mail story headlined "Obama Eligibility Questioned," either on the newspaper's Web site or in the Nexis database of stories published by the paper. The claim that the Supreme Court recently agreed to hear a case brought by Leo Donofrio is also false; the high court in fact refused to grant a hearing in that case back on Dec. 8, 2008.
There is a group called the "United States Justice Foundation," and it does list a Gary Kreep as its executive director. But we find no report of any study of Obama's legal spending on its Web site, or any mention of turning information over to Attorney General Eric Holder. We've asked Kreep about this in an e-mail message, and will update this item should we receive a reply.
Sorry...it looked good. But the facts just aren't there.
It’s been posted several times here but doesn’t appear to have the least amount of validity.
Americans for Freedom of Information don’t appear to exist. Just a nasty attack on anyone seeking info.
april 1? fools day
April 1, 2009
The story is dated April 1st, that should tell you something.
New tag line.
They are trying to make us look stupid for asking the question.
The question remains, Why did they bury Barry’s past?
This clown needs to leave post haste...regardless of his Birf Certifikate. He is a waster in the truest Atlas Shrugged sense.
I know. But we are not going to be deterered by the commie propaganda and hiding of records. We will pull these documents out of Obama’s marxist fingers sooner or later.
You know, put it out on April 1st, throw in a couple of loose facts and it makes the whole concept of the BC issue look conspiratorial.
/tinfoil hat - wishful thinking
This keeps popping up tonight but the source disappears....
I saw the earlier thread by a newbie and the link wouldn’t work so I thought it might not be true.
Ahhh well, forget the ping - just go on about what you were doing - cringe.....
I got this as a forward and almost fell over thinking it was true. I had heard Occidental was served with a subpoena to release Obama’s college records awhile ago. I went to USJF website and there were articles but not about these college records. Then I googled and someone was actually named as the hoax writer of the email. The reason I checked is because this was too big to not hear about either here or elsewhere. And it was casually being forwarded and not many saying anything about it.
I do not think this factcheck article is totally true. I offer this one article as a maybe the Occidental records were requested. And I may have other information on the rest of it that fectcheck says is untrue.
Attorney Gary Kreep with the United States Justice Foundation, a public interest law firm, who is representing Keyes, served Occidental College with a subpoena for Obamas records.
Occidentals lawyer, Stuart W. Rudnick of Musick, Peeler & Garrett, faxed the subpoena to Obamas Attorney Frederic D. Woocher of Strumwasser & Woocher, acknowledging it appeared valid on its face and the college would have no choice other than to comply with the subpoena absent a court instructing otherwise.
Woocher subsequently contacted Kreep regarding the subpoena, stating, It will likely not surprise you to hear that President-elect Obama opposes production of the requested records, and asked whether he would be willing to agree to voluntarily cancel or withdraw the subpoena.
If it became necessary instead to file a motion to quash to the subpoena and Obama prevailed, Woocher said full monetary sanctions would be sought.
In reaction to these events, Keyes posted on his blog, It confirms the common sense suspicion that he wont act forthrightly in this matter because he has something to hide.
Now I am headed to see if Keyes did post about this.
urban myth, sadly.
It never ends
It never starts
I know. As I wrote, I saw someone post it earlier and thought ‘wow’ but the link took you to a legitimate site that said ‘not found’. That just made you think it might have been scrubbed already. I did a Google too.
He could release his records. He doesn't. Not even his long form birth certificate, to say nothing of his school records. His kindergarten records are sealed, FGS.
When life looks screwy, it probably is.
I’m amazed at how many gullible people fall for that old April Fool’s prank.
Pretty clever hoax. If only...
Here is a lawsuit obama’s attorneys are suppose to answer June 21st. Apuzzo is suing everyone who failed to properly vet obama, including Cheney.
Whether or not the President of the United States is eligible for the Office he currently occupies is of utmost national importance. Every passing day Mr. Obama takes executive action that significantly impacts on the lives of Americans. The USA and Obama have already been granted one extension to answer to May 5, 2009. They have therefore been given 77 days to answer. This is enough time for them to answer. With an extension to June 21, 2009, USA and Obama are asking for 124 days and the Congressional defendants are asking for 117 days to answer. Court rules only allow them 60 days. Such delay is not in the national interest and not acceptable. As to the Congressional defendants, a twenty-day extension for them to answer is reasonable, making their answer due by May 18, 2009. Given the national importance of the issues, an extension for all defendants to answer by June 21, 2009 is not acceptable.
I did also. Funny thing, right now search engines are not responding. I can’t get google or yahoo.
THAT is a headline on Drudge. Perhaps it is affecting other sites. Perhaps I'm daydreaming like I was about this thread, lol.
Why go to such trouble as this April fool's day "smoking gun" when simply producing the documentation would put it all to rest and make birthers look like deranged, unhinged radical lunatics?
Why? Unless, of course, the documentation would show that we, the birthers, have been right all along...
Yeah, a computer virus. Lol, I posted it to you on another thread but don’t think you got to that one, been awhile. I got to Google, no problem.
Piper didn’t want out, he wanted food, lol
May I remind folks that April Fools day came on November 5th last year?
Google was OK
Piper is eating well
Lol, Piper always eats well. When he doesn’t he gets taken to the Vet!
Heading off, check your Freepmail!
Where’s the “not this sh*t again” guy when you need him?
They were able to secure a subpoena for barrys records from Occidental College. Relevant text. See links below for background and the full subpoena.
1-15-09 Keyes, Drake, Robinson v Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State, Obama and Biden et al.
Subpoena: Occidental College, Los Angeles, California
Academia and housing records of Barack Hussein Obama, including but not limited to approximately two years September 1979 to June 1981.
These documents are material to the issues in this case in that they are relevant to the following issues in this litigation.
The gravamen of the Petition is the question as to whether United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama, of Illinois, is eligible to be President of the United States pursuant to the requirements of that office in the United States Constitution. The records sought may provide documentary evidence, and/or admission by said Defendant, as to said eligibility or lack thereof.
Senator Obama has filed responsive pleadings in this matter and is represented by counsel, and has the opportunity to this production should he so desire.
Good cause exists for this production under the Subpoena Duces Tecum, in that the testimony will be elicited from the original records obtained from the witness named herein, and there is no other process available to secure said testimony.
Occidental College Subpoena: QUASHED (3-13)
Bottom line: the case is moot, the petitioners failed to identify a duty the respondents failed in performing, its too late anyway and the subpoena was too broad and was not properly served.
did Obama have a passport prior to becoming president?? I applied for a passport and had to furnish to the government a documented, stamped with a state seal, copy of my birth certificate (1939) it cost about 20 bucks but only took a couple of days to obtain. If he has a passport, wouldn’t he have had to do the same thing??
Good old factcheck.org, one of 0’s foils and defenders.
“Keyes wanted to be arrested-he even wanted to stay in jail when he was bailed out against his wishes. It was a stunt to cast light on his cause.”
I can think of 1 other possibility. Obama might want to start the precedent that a candidate for President does not have to prove who he is. I don’t know why he might want that, but it is a remote possibility.
April 1, 2009
Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing.
Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — Lawyers fees — greater than $1,000,000 — birth certificate — $15.
Certificate of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were “not kept.”
And there’s less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents — “Dreams From My Father” — “The Audacity of Hope” — and the latest — “Change We Can Believe In” — all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his “ghost-writers.”
>Meanwhile, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs scoffed at the report stating that this was obviously another attempt by a right-wing conservative group to discredit the president and undermine the administrations efforts to move the country in a new direction.<
The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy is alive and well.
just a little stokin’ of the embers:
In Hawaii in 1961, there were three different birth certificates
Posted on 05/12/2009 11:46:25 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
Obama Birth Certificate Forgery
American Daily Review | May 6, 2009 | Douglas V. Gibbs
Posted on 05/07/2009 6:46:06 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta
April Fool joke or not, I wonder how Obama got a Scholarship to Occidental, when I recall him saying how poorly he did in High School and how he just screwed around and got poor grades, etc.