Skip to comments.Episcopal Church Fires 61 Priests For Opposing Gay Church Leaders
Posted on 05/27/2009 8:14:20 PM PDT by cakid1
Episcopal Church fires 61 priests and deacons in the Central Valley.
Part of the reason, is they followed former Bishop John David Schofield when he rebuked the national church for its stance on the ordination of gays into the priesthood.
The 61 clergy had six months to deny or recant their stance against...
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Unreal and disgusting. The liberal American Notre Dame Catholic church is headed down the same path.
so much for open minded tolerance.
They need to start their own denomination
Truer Christians would be hard to find..
The world upside down.
Amazing. All large churches have gone from saving souls and teaching the words of Christ and salvation to worrying about how to have an orgasm and with whom.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Ever notice that liberals have the reverse Midas touch? They destroy everything they get their hands on. The churches they’ve taken over have seen their memberships go way down. They took over theater, and theater is dying in this country. They took over public education in most places, and kids know less than ever.
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Is there a mainline Protestant church that isn’t experiencing similar issues? Lucifer has been very successful infiltrating all of these organizations. Non-denominational churches seem to be flourishing these days.
Homosexuals did not get all this political power from only being 2% of the population.
What are they gonna call it?
The church of england????
The OLD CHURCH OF ENGLAND????
the REAL CHRUCH OF ENGLAND????
the OLD EPISCOPALIAN BUT NOT CHURCH OF ENGLAND???
the NEW ENGLAND NON CHURCH OF ENGLAND???
the WHITE HONKEY LIBERAL DEMOCRAT NEW ENGLAND NO GAYS ALLOWED CHURCH OF ENGLAND???
the ANTI CATHOLIC ANTI ENGLAND ANTI GAY EPISCOPALIAN LIMOUSINE LIBERALS THAT LOVES OBAMA CHURCH OF NEW ENGLAND?
how about THE TOO RICH TO PROCREATE AND WE’RE ALL GONNA BE EXTINCT WHITE LIBERALS THAT DON’T LIKE GAYS OR CATHOLICS OR ENGLISH AND YOU CAN IGNORE US NOW CUZ WE WON’T EXIST TOMORROW CHURCH???
That is a good point.
I suppose these priests should be grateful that they weren’t fed to the lions.
Sorry Eagle, your reply may be a little to nuanced for my tiny brain. To which do you refer as the "True Christians," the banned, or the banners?
Sorry. Should have been more specific. I am referring to the 61 priests who refused to compromise their faith for their positions. It’s easy to embrace Christ when there are no consequences for doing so. Sadly, most of the Church today would be resistant to relinquish the familiar and the comfortable for their faith.
Churches should remember what gay clergy did to the Catholic church.
Gay Priests and Gay Marriage- http://www.nationalreview.com/03june02/kurtz060302.asp
Our daughter used to go to a Lutheran church with her grandmother that was cheery and vibrant. She went back recently with her husband to learn it’s become a gay church and was like a funeral home with but a few attendees, and an usher who claimed, “But I’m straight.”
What is the Church of England?? don’t they just pretend to be a church?
Yes I have noticed it, especially in the churches. I remember all the kerfluffle last year over the “rise of the Christian left”. The “Christian left” is nothing more than the same fifth column infiltration of the last bastion, the church, that they have so successfully used in academia and media. Now they’re working on diluting and weakening the church from within. I only hope fundamentalism holds the line, but the so-called “young fundamentalists” are making me very uneasy. This is how it begins.
Since they are thus still in good standing in the diocese, TEC by their own rules cannot convene a quorum without at least seven of these 61 attending. Fat chance of that happening.
The homosexuals may be on the march, but it doesn't mean they're smart.
You mean they’re on the swish :D
The ELCA has a group of homosexual-friendly churches called "Reconciling in Christ" (RIC) churches. They also will be meeting in August this year in a churchwide assembly, which will approve sexually active homosexual preachers and let each church decide for itself about celebrating homosexual marriage. The outcome of the vote on this set of resolutions is a done deal, because the headquarters of the ELCA (in Chicago, no less) is a haven for homosexual activists and lobbbyists.
The wheels are coming off.
For there have been some intruders, who long ago were designated for this condemnation, godless persons, who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness and who deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
That is so serious! Those guys are in it for a living; that’s their career; that’s their livelihood. I’ll bet they can sue over it. Hope they do.
Independent Fundamental Baptist. Google it.
When you absolutely, positively have had enough of “winging” doctrine, and endeavor to return to good ole fashion fundamentals of Christianity.
The queers can come in and learn the Bible (we’ll teach anyone with a heart to learn for free), but they cannot be members w/o repentence. Period. End of story.
Praise the Lord I left the Episcopal Church, and started to learn the Bible for myself.
whaddya think the episcopalians are? It’s the church of england in america...but they can’t call themselves that because we fought a war of independence and won...so they had to change their name.
That’s fine...but you didn’t finish. Add to the end of your church name...”OF NEW ENGLAND NON CATHOLICS THAT ISN’T THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND FOR NOW CHURCH”
So much for coincidence...I truly was just thinking about John David Schofield 5 seconds before this article appeared. Love that man, he is the best.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Actually, in the Anglican way, they have (from the article): "followed former Bishop John David Schofield when he rebuked the national church for its stance on Gays* and then aligned his church with the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone."
This group is a part of the newly forming US denomination, the Anglican Church of North America. This denomination is allied with and in communion with Anglican Christians all over the world (mostly in Africa) who are thoroughly orthodox and conservative.
This group, mameluksabre, by the way is NOT at all politically liberal (since they are theologically conservative...) nor is it particularly rich, or lily-white either--but is rather a mix of evangelical, charismatic and traditional types. Your post was either confused or uninformed on this topic.
Actually, they can't really and they wouldn't anyway--following the commands of St. Paul in 1 Cor 6:1-11, that Christians should not sue other Christians.
However, every one of them is being sued BY The Episcopal Church--which all over the country is attempting to take all these congregations' Church properties from them. These ex-Episcopalians deserve our highest respect and support--as they are willing to leave it all to be obedient to Christ.
TEC has repeatedly in the last several years paid NO ATTENTION to its own internal rules when pursuing the vindictive witch hunt to destroy the orthodox and faithful. Anyone who follows this—just according to all the ethical & internal rule violations—will realize these are not the actions of persons who are Christians at all.
I’m convinced that if it were possible, Episcopal Church officials, and their gay nazi friends would follow their spiritual ancestors of 450 years ago and burn their opponents at the stake.
So much for Tolerance....
I'm no fan of the Episcopal Church stance on homosexuality, but this little blog post is scatological.
The priests were "fired" (actually deposed) as priests of the Episcopal Church because they stated that they had left the Episcopal Church.
Ken Malloy has an opinion. Too bad he has to lie to make it known.
It's a bit more complicated than that, as the vocation as a priest is different than a vocation is elsewhere.
These priests, following their bishop (and The Episcopal Church is more or less a confederation of dioceses) lawfully left the Episcopal Church, and lawfully (by Anglican law) put themselves under the authority of another Anglican Province, that of the Southern Cone. As Anglican Provinces TEC and Southern Cone are equal, and mutually recognize each other as legitimate (though the Southern Cone has an "impaired communion" with TEC, as do all other orthodox Anglican Provinces around the world).
The ordination vows that a priest makes in TEC (or any other Anglican Province) are NOT to that particular province, rather, they are to the Church universal. Hence a priest going from one province to another--is no violation of their ordination vows--and therefore there is no (TEC rule) valid legal reason behind defrocking these ministers.
They could be fired (no longer paid) if they were paid by TEC, but they weren't....they were and are paid by their congregations. Besides that, they quit TEC many months ago--and so haven't had a direct relationship with them for some time.
What this is, is a formal "defrocking," by TEC which historically was only allowed to be used for cases of moral turpitude...and then only after a required (church) trial and other procedures--none of which were done here.
So while simplified, it is true that these priests were "fired" for their stand on homosexual ordination--since they stood by their bishop in his stand on this--and have been given as severe a penalty (revoking their ordination) as TEC can muster now (besides being sued...).
Happily for them, the Southern Cone Province of the worldwide Anglican Communion does not recognize TEC's defrocking as valid...
...they followed former Bishop John David Schofield when he rebuked the national church for its stance on the ordination of gays into the priesthood. The 61 clergy had six months to deny or recant...
King Midas destroyed everything he touched ...
I just gave you one big fat raspberry.
Okay, good point. But my metaphor still kinda works...
When a “Christian” group dismisses that in the Bible which disagrees with their sensibilities, and they for instance embrace abortion, homosexuality, etc., they’ve in effect become a cult.
Yup...politics, journalism, education, government, law, the military ...
Rush Limbaugh was discussing how the insane are running free in the streets of the cesspool that is now Californication...or as I prefer cesspoolifornication, and are now running the asylum.
They’ll do to the U.S. what they’ve done to that once great state.
That sums it up. I have my first child due to be born this fall. I've been thinking how worthless the dominant culture is going to be in helping me raise my child. I will need to find other parents in my area who think like I do so we can support each other in raising moral, responsible, educated children.
Sorry, I'm going off on a tangent from the main thread...
I hope you’re not IN Washington, either the armpit or the state, but you’re off to a good start already with your mindset!
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