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More Dallas-Fort Worth police forces arming themselves with military-style equipment
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | May 29, 2009 | Domingo Ramirez, Jr.

Posted on 05/30/2009 6:56:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A $226,000 armored vehicle for the North Richland Hills Police Department SWAT team arrived a few days ago to replace one the agency got in 1990.

To many people that vehicle — and others like it used by police departments across the country — will go unnoticed. The public seems to largely accept the use of military-type equipment, technology and tactics as not only appropriate but also necessary to fight crime and make communities more safe and secure.

Armored vehicles are used by law enforcement agencies in Fort Worth, Arlington and Bedford and at Dallas/Fort Worth Airport, just to name a few. Some police departments have assault rifles, noise-flash devices and grenade launchers. Arlington even sought federal money for a drone aircraft.

But some criminal-justice experts are troubled by law enforcement agencies’ growing use of military-style equipment. Rather than employ such equipment only in extreme situations, the critics say, their use is becoming commonplace, leading police to use unnecessary force and intimidating residents. For example, some cite an episode last year in which police used a battering ram to raid a Duncanville swingers club when no one answered a knock.

"We have been witnesses to a little-noticed but nonetheless momentous historical change — the traditional distinctions between military/police, war/law and internal/external security are rapidly blurring," said criminal justice professor Peter Kraska, of Eastern Kentucky University, in one on his studies on the militarization of police departments.

(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: agenda; crime; lawenforcement; leo; military; obama; paramilitary; police; possecomitatus
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Could this be partly getting ready for the next tea parties?
1 posted on 05/30/2009 6:56:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More like drug gangsters.


2 posted on 05/30/2009 6:58:39 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No 2DV, it’s just little boys with penis envy problems.


3 posted on 05/30/2009 6:59:20 PM PDT by ex91B10 ("Search" and "Preview" are your friends...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hope like hell not.....


4 posted on 05/30/2009 7:04:14 PM PDT by waterhill
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To: ex91B10

Trying to get into the Gestapo club.


5 posted on 05/30/2009 7:04:46 PM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Federally funded. What a surprise. Just in case obi needs to “borrow” them for a while.


6 posted on 05/30/2009 7:05:08 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee; elkfersupper

Why bust down a door, when you can drive through it.


7 posted on 05/30/2009 7:07:09 PM PDT by razorback-bert (We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.)
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To: ex91B10

Were you in the ROK during the Tree Cutting incident?


8 posted on 05/30/2009 7:10:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Janet Reno must be twitching with anticipation.
Maybe they can bring Lon in to shoot some more women and children.


9 posted on 05/30/2009 7:12:59 PM PDT by AH_LiveRight
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Were you in the ROK during the Tree Cutting incident?

No. Processed out in July of 76. That incident happened about a month later IIRC.

10 posted on 05/30/2009 7:15:17 PM PDT by ex91B10 ("Search" and "Preview" are your friends...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In recent months, more equipment has been purchased with federal stimulus funds. According to StimulusWatch.org, Arlington at one point requested $1.6 million in stimulus money for a mobile command unit, explosive entry program, armored vehicle and support vehicle, plus the unmanned drone for surveillance and security that StimulusWatch lists at $625,000. .

OK now the narco cops are not only going to break down the door of the wrong house they are going to blow it up.

All at taxpayer expense of course. The home owner will not be charged for this service. Of course the home owner will be responsible for any needed repairs.

11 posted on 05/30/2009 7:16:36 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember back in 1968 the police force of Cairo, Illinois made their own armor plated vehicle. they dubbed it THE WAR WAGGON.


12 posted on 05/30/2009 7:18:27 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s all about conditioning...getting the ‘masses’ mentally mushy so that when they see it, it’s not that big of a deal.

How many movies & tv cop shows have this sort of para-military stuff in it at the disposal of local law enforcement? How many of them show ‘no-knock’ entries, or warrantless searches as the norm? Just good cops doing whatever it takes to get the bad guys, right?

“Hey, they do it on Law & Order! Must be ok.”


13 posted on 05/30/2009 7:19:34 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Could this be partly getting ready for the next tea parties?

There aren't enough APC's or SWAT teams to deal with the next tea parties.

Nonetheless, cops and law enforcement thugs in general are a real pain in the a$$ these days.

I've told everybody within my sphere of influence to not attract their attention if possible, and for God's sake never call them to your location.

No matter how dire the situation, it can always be made worse by adding a cop.

14 posted on 05/30/2009 7:22:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: devolve; MeekOneGOP; 2ndDivisionVet

Disturbing to read - but what isn’t anymore?


15 posted on 05/30/2009 7:25:37 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: ex91B10

“No 2DV, it’s just little boys with penis envy problems.”

Except these little boys knock down doors and shoot grandmas on occasion. Not on purpose of course but when SWAT is used to deliver parking tickets it gets kinda crazy.


16 posted on 05/30/2009 7:26:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The funding and the technology is what police departments are looking for to curb crime rates," Flory said. "It makes good sense to use what’s available.". .

And of course like any guy who gets a new tool for Christmas he find a reason to use it.

Hey we got this new bad ass armored vehicle what are we going to do with it?

Same with the special tactics teams. After a police commissioner spends millions of dollars on forming a paramilitary unit he is going to expect to get results from that team. So the responsible lieutenant is going to feel pressure to find work for them.

And when some one is under pressure to show results there is a higher likelihood of errors in judgment.

17 posted on 05/30/2009 7:27:22 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I could build a better one for under $100,000 and a 1980 chevy 4x4.

18 posted on 05/30/2009 7:27:38 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: elkfersupper

‘No matter how dire the situation, it can always be made worse by adding a cop. “

Shoot, shovel, shutup


19 posted on 05/30/2009 7:28:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

It Is Our TIME !
I can’t see otherwise,,,,,,
“War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.” [Big Brother]
How will History deal with US?
As Romans or Spartans?


20 posted on 05/30/2009 7:30:10 PM PDT by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


21 posted on 05/30/2009 7:31:23 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: elkfersupper
Start by defending the cops. They do the mop up after the bangers have their fun. They risk a heck of a lot by just showing up to work. They are truly in harms way every day.e
The clowns that tend to use their authority to intimidate those who are in a weak position or don't know what the law really says is a disgrace. Ft.Worth and Big D cops are now seeing more ghetto neighborhoods rise and with that comes the drugs and thugs.San Antonio has the highest crime rate of all Texas cities due to the influx of illegals and ghetto trash. Think twice when you get pulled over or have to call to report something. They are there to take reports and write tickets, while knowing that they can be called to some crap situation and be a target for some lunatic or gang banger.
22 posted on 05/30/2009 7:32:17 PM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin st)
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To: razorback-bert
We Want YOU for the SWAT Team!


23 posted on 05/30/2009 7:32:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: usmcobra
I could build a better one for under $100,000 and a 1980 chevy 4x4. .

I think you will need at least a Ford F450 for starters.

24 posted on 05/30/2009 7:33:11 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: ex91B10
No 2DV, it’s just little boys with penis envy problems.

BINGO!!!!

25 posted on 05/30/2009 7:34:02 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: bravotu

“How will History deal with US?
As Romans or Spartans?”

Unless we get real about Islam, the correct answer to your question may well be, “As dhimmi”.

Islam Delenda Est


26 posted on 05/30/2009 7:34:07 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: shadeaud
Start by defending the cops.

No, thanks.

I had my last halfway-decent "contact" with LEO's in the 1960's.

27 posted on 05/30/2009 7:37:00 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Pontiac

What’s a milspec civilian hummer cost these days?

They have to be cheaper than this boonedoogle.


28 posted on 05/30/2009 7:37:11 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A $226,000 armored vehicle for the North Richland Hills Police Department SWAT team arrived a few days ago to replace one the agency got in 1990.

How many dogs can they kill with that thing?

29 posted on 05/30/2009 7:37:59 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Could this be partly getting ready for the next tea parties?”

....nope, just geting ready for the coming break up of America:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/misc/CWII.pdf


30 posted on 05/30/2009 7:46:33 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“... some cite an episode last year in which police used a battering ram to raid a Duncanville swingers club when no one answered a knock.”

I think that the use of a battering ram hardly constitutes the use of “military equipment”. If you actually have to have a SWAT team, enough gun(s) to do the job, armor to protect the team, and the proper training to accomplish the mission would be right up there in my book. MP5’s, AR-15’s and Rem. 700 SPS’s have been used by cops for a long time. All are “sorta” military weapons, but lots of military weapons are “sorta” civilian weapons as well so there’s really no hard and fast way to draw the line between either. It’s foolish to try to define what is “military” in hopes of using the distinction for control or prohibition.

Cops should use what is necessary to get the job done, and not get themselves hurt. Otherwise, why have cops? Just hire more social workers.


31 posted on 05/30/2009 7:59:12 PM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: shadeaud
"Start by defending the cops.",

Hell no only when they grow up and start acting like real cops instead of para military thugs.

32 posted on 05/30/2009 8:01:24 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: potlatch

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Better trained cops - ex-military

Would be a better way to go

The usual PD firearms training/practice is usually pretty sparse and accuracy is quite sad


33 posted on 05/30/2009 8:01:40 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . Obama confiscated Teacher & Police Union pension funds? . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve
I'm sure every police department would love to have all that but it smacks too much of ‘people control’ - looking to the future under Obama.
34 posted on 05/30/2009 8:04:05 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d be curious to know what the hell North Richland Hills used the previous such vehicle for?

It should be a matter of public record what it was used for - besides their “dress-up and play soldier” exercises...

Buncha pseudo-military jackasses are running aournd wasting their time and our money pretending to be soldiers when we’ve got a real war they could go volunteer for - but shoot; in Afghanistan, the bad guys shoot back!

Makes you want to tell them there’s always Paintball they could go play at!


35 posted on 05/30/2009 8:06:47 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: devolve

“The usual PD firearms training/practice is usually pretty sparse and accuracy is quite sad”

Agreed, your average beat cop is hardly a weapons/tactics expert. Hopefully, SWAT folks get better training, which begs the question of whether there is any national standards for SWAT training, and how consistent are the teams trained to the standard. Obiously, no standards and no adherence to them can cause a heap o’ trouble.


36 posted on 05/30/2009 8:09:03 PM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: usmcobra

Urban Gorilla kits
http://www.4x4bodies.com/


37 posted on 05/30/2009 8:11:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: usmcobra
What’s a milspec civilian hummer cost these days?

I found a website that is selling a used Hummers with 15,000 miles on the clock for $35,000

38 posted on 05/30/2009 8:14:44 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Peanut Gallery

ping


39 posted on 05/30/2009 8:18:05 PM PDT by Professional Engineer ("A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin. Sorry Dr. Franklin)
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To: waterhill
You coulda got your own, but this one SOLD

Ferrett Armored Scout Car

40 posted on 05/30/2009 8:25:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: potlatch

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Time has to be set aside for proper firarms practice

And a good budget for range ammo

The average cop in NY state could only hit a close target about 5% of the time

To any young teenaged hunter or military trainee that is a joke


41 posted on 05/30/2009 8:26:14 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . Obama confiscated Teacher & Police Union pension funds? . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

They are often too busy getting their donuts and free coffee at the corner convenience store, lol.


42 posted on 05/30/2009 8:29:19 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One definitely must wonder exactly WHAT they think they are preparing for...


43 posted on 05/30/2009 8:30:39 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: elkfersupper; org.whodat; driftdiver; ex91B10; 2ndDivisionVet
I'm starting to see a wonderful little trend here on Freerepublic.....apparently Freerepublic is the place to come if you want to badmouth the police and put the hate on all law enforcement.


Rock on! Let's hate all the little piggies!

44 posted on 05/30/2009 8:36:12 PM PDT by brent1a (You're a great American! NO, YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN! No, you're a great American!!!!)
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To: TheBattman
They might well be preparing for a repeat of the late 60’s -early 70’s, with riots and civil insurrections. I well recall feeling the need for armored vehicles then, since my Scout Platoon was being deployed to riots in open jeeps and on foot. We need not presume such equipment is intended for us, since the various Leftist groups are just as violent now as they were then.

Or they might be looking South of the Border, at the increased firepower and militant and violent tendencies of the drug gangs.

VietVet

45 posted on 05/30/2009 9:05:58 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: elkfersupper
I had my last halfway-decent "contact" with LEO's in the 1960's.

Dallas area LEOs weren't so bad until the 1990s, and there are still quite a few decent ones in the mix. Unfortunately there have been a lot of incidents (fortunately that haven't gotten much press coverage nationally, so hopefully their reputation can be salvaged if things get cleaned up) involving faked evidence in drug busts, bogus tickets, intimidation, bribery, etc. that haven't been addressed due to political concerns.

The Sheriff's department is a bit worse, unfortunately; and probably so morally corrupt now that the organization is irredeemable even if a decent sheriff were to ever get elected (not likely in Dallas county these days, sadly). There are still some good people out there, but if you can talk to them privately they'll drop hints about some really serious corruption and scandalous behavior.

Things aren't hopeless, however. A lot of the suburbs in the DFW area have great police departments, and the constables are still virtuous.

46 posted on 05/30/2009 9:06:55 PM PDT by Technogeeb (The only good Russian is a dead Russian. Rest in Peace, Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder what they are going to do with the old one.

VietVet


47 posted on 05/30/2009 9:07:03 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: usmcobra
back in the 80’s when I was in Israel, they used platted Caterpillar dozers and they were fantastic as assault vehicles. Old cat- 20,00.00 + 3,000.00 for plate... very cool mean machines.
48 posted on 05/30/2009 9:12:02 PM PDT by odin2008 (Everything in the universe is subject to change.)
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To: brent1a
No, I don't believe that this is hate-a-cop.com. But as we have seen in the past, there are times when the officers do step over the line sometimes. But they're human and sometimes things happen. I mean I watched one of those real police video shows last night and if I was an officer chasing a drugged up prev. at 100 mph, when I caught him I would have beaten the living shitz out of him. God bless those officers for keeping their heads and cool. But that's good training and superior men and women. The real problem comes when the state or party uses these peace keepers as their private storm troopers.
49 posted on 05/30/2009 9:28:06 PM PDT by odin2008 (Everything in the universe is subject to change.)
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To: devolve

“The average cop in NY state could only hit a close target about 5% of the time

To any young teenaged hunter or military trainee that is a joke”

Hell, I’ve taken some female friends out to the range before, and they did pretty decently. for their first time shooting. Never touched a firearm before, and they can hit a paper target at 50 yards, with no scope. I would hope that a cop could do better than that with a pistol at 10 or even 25 feet. :/


50 posted on 05/30/2009 9:50:24 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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