Posted on 05/31/2009 10:08:54 AM PDT by upchuck
Dude, not only is He in it, He wrote it!
Good point.
You are poorly informed. Nobody suggests Jesus wrote any of the books of the Bible. And none of the old testament features him, except as a Prophesy. All his spoken words are found in the new testament.
Then who authored the Bible?
I am not trying to compare our soldiers with murderers but the two have one thing in common—the act of taking lifes. Our soldiers do it in our defense and the abortionist for monetary gain or for some other reason.
Melchizedek.
Who gives a damn?
Under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act signed by Bill Clinton in 1994, abortion clinics in this country are already provided an absurd level of protection that doesn't apply to any other business establishment or even a government facility.
Heck -- you could probably get a longer prison sentence for blocking access to an abortion clinic than you would get for an armed assault against a military base in this country.
>> The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.
Self-defense or defense-of-another killings require an IMMEDIATE threat (even for soldiers). The guy was walking into a church, not aborting a child.
SnakeDoc
As an astute observer pointed out some years ago (it may have been after the Slepian killing in Buffalo, NY), attacks on abortionists were almost non-existent until the government began forcibly removing peaceful demonstrators from public areas outside the offices and homes of abortionists.
What proponents of abortion think about its opponents isn't something that I really care about. If you want to, that's fine and you can call it posturing if you want to. However, you and the rest of the appeasers on this board who've just jumped me for not being scared of the abortion boogey man MSM and call it posturing, etc. should really realize that you are in effect siding with them. Go play nice with them. I'm sure they'll appreciate it and maybe someone over at the Daily Kos or DU will even think you're reasonable. Hell, maybe they'll even change their mind about abortion.
Huh? My comment was only about Tiller being killed. It was not right for Tiller to have killed innocent babies, nor was it right for the shooter to have killed Tiller. God will decide who's in more trouble.
What was Tiller even doing near a Christian Church, anyway? The only good thing out of this entire incident is that fewer unborn babies will be killed this week in Wichita...
Your post doesn’t make any sense, that was just rambling.
MSNBC has included in their story a table of “Abortion related Violence”, that AP has, and I have copied and pasted below:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31029377/
Abortion-related violence
Following is a list of other recent cases of abortion-related violence:
April 2007: Authorities say Paul Ross Evans placed a homemade bomb in the parking lot of the Austin Women’s Health Center in Texas. A bomb squad disposes of the device, which contained two pounds of nails. There are no injuries.
Oct. 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian is fatally shot in his home in a suburb of Buffalo, N.Y. Militant abortion opponent James Kopp is convicted of the murder in 2003 and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.
Jan. 29, 1998: A bomb explodes just outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic, killing a police officer and wounding several others. Eric Rudolph later pleads guilty to that incident and the deadly bombing at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. He justifies the Alabama bombing in an essay from prison, writing that Jesus would condone “militant action in defense of the innocent.”
Jan. 16, 1997: Two bomb blasts an hour apart rock an Atlanta building containing an abortion clinic. Seven people are injured. Rudolph is charged by federal authorities in October 1998.
Dec. 30, 1994: John Salvi opens fire with a rifle inside two Boston-area abortion clinics, killing two receptionists and wounding five others. Sentenced to life without parole, he kills himself in prison in 1996.
Nov. 8, 1994: Dr. Garson Romalis, who performs abortions in Vancouver, Canada, is shot in the leg while eating breakfast at home.
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Bayard Britton and his volunteer escort, James H. Barrett, are slain outside a Pensacola, Fla., abortion clinic. Barrett’s wife, June, is wounded in the attack. Paul J. Hill, 40, a former minister and anti-abortion activist, is later convicted of murder and sentenced to death.
Aug. 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller is shot in the arms as he drives out of parking lot at his Wichita, Kan., clinic. Rachelle “Shelley” Shannon is later convicted and sentenced to 11 years in prison.
March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn is shot to death outside Pensacola, Fla., clinic, becoming the first U.S. doctor killed during an anti-abortion demonstration. Michael Griffin is convicted and serving a life sentence.
The “pro-life” activists are violent, a threat, terrorists, etc. meme starts.
Hmmm. The shooter no doubt committed murder by our laws.
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer.
In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery.
Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.
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On principle we are agreed. On application, we might not be. In the case of the Czechs, they were “surrendered” by Neville Chamberlain, never given an opportunity or a say to determine their own fate. They were engaged in a war against oppression — during a time of declared war (WORLD war), and so acted accordingly.
On the other hand, John Brown broke the law, plain and simple. He may (or may not) have been morally right regarding slavery, but that did not justify the attempt at rebellion. I think it’s ironic to note that the SAME United States government that aauthorized Col. RObert E. Lee in 1858 to take Brown down at Harpers Ferry, less than 3 yrs later instigated a war to accomplish the same ends as Brown (or so they nobly claim).
In much the same way, the murderer of Tiller has acted inappropriately, unjustly, and illegally, as did Brown. We are NOT engaged in war (not yet anyway), and while there was provocation (the murder of the unborn can be seen no other way by a moral people), this does not justify an individual taking the law into his own hands, being judge, jury and executioner.
I for one, will NOT hold this person up as a hero. He is a criminal. What he has done has percipitated — or at least hastened — the coing persecution against Christians, gun owners, and any others who believe in “traditional” or “Conservative” values and governance. When we face this, we will have this murderer to thank in part.
I suggest we ALL get prepared. The next year and a half is likely to be quite tense and dangerous.
We shall have to let things play out for a while before we have enough context to say more.
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I think you’re right JB. This is awfully convenient for the Left... But we don’t know anything for sure yet, other than Tiller is dead.
I believe that this is a “Riechstag Fire “ incident. I do not personally believe that anyone that is against infanticide would commit homicide.
As far as my feelings go, I would not take his or ant other abortionists life. Neither will I mourn when someone else does.
What one sows, one also reaps.
Not really. Chamberlain agreed to not fight over the Sudetenland. Hitler rolled in and the Czechs opted not to fight. Shortly thereafter Hitler called Czech President Benes into a meeting and gave him a diktat based on a threat to not only invade, but to bomb Prague flat just for the hell of it. President Benes gave in and the Czechs surrendered themselves. So the Czechs did indeed surrender to the Germans of their own accord, albeit under great duress.
They were engaged in a war against oppression — during a time of declared war (WORLD war), and so acted accordingly.
Per the Geneva Convention, they were not a combatant. Czechoslovakia never declared war on Germany.
On the other hand, John Brown broke the law, plain and simple. He may (or may not) have been morally right ..., but that did not justify the attempt at rebellion.
Take out the specifics and you could just as well be talking about John Adams or George Washington.
In much the same way, the murderer of Tiller has acted inappropriately, unjustly, and illegally, as did Brown. We are NOT engaged in war (not yet anyway), and while there was provocation (the murder of the unborn can be seen no other way by a moral people), this does not justify an individual taking the law into his own hands, being judge, jury and executioner.
If he were killing two year olds instead of babies, but it were legal for him to do so, would you still consider the killer wrong, or just illegal. My point is that unjust laws lead to illegal action by just people. We can argue about how unjust a law must be before each of us may consider our illegal actions just, but the underlying principle is that justice and legality are not one in the same.
I for one, will NOT hold this person up as a hero. He is a criminal. What he has done has percipitated — or at least hastened — the coing persecution against Christians, gun owners, and any others who believe in “traditional” or “Conservative” values and governance. When we face this, we will have this murderer to thank in part.
Perhaps, and that is a good point. However, the Left has never seemed to pay any price for the actions of its radicals.
I suggest we ALL get prepared. The next year and a half is likely to be quite tense and dangerous.
Good suggestion.
Has anyone raised the possibility that this killing may not have been motivated by his abortion work? What else was Tiller into? disgruntled husband, boyfriend? etc.
Good point.
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