I would go so far as to say they are damned.
From a noted Lutheran Scholar from 1973:
Posted on 06/01/2009 7:02:51 PM PDT by Tamar Rush
ABORTIONS WITH BAPTISM: WITCHITA MURDER REVEALS CHRISTLESS CHRISTIANITY
Dr. Paul L. Williams June 1st, 2009
Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. If you say, "But we knew nothing about this," does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay each person according to what he has done? Proverbs 24: 11-12
"We have some experience with late terminations... about 10,000 patients between 24 and 36 weeks and something like 800 fetal anomalies between 26 and 36 weeks in the past 5 years."
Dr. George Tillman, 1995 a speech given by George R. Tiller at the National Abortion Federation Annual Meeting on April 2-4, 1995 in New Orleans, LA
On Sunday morning, May 31, Dr. George Tiller, 67, was gunned down and killed in the foyer of the Reformation Lutheran Church at the close of the 10 a.m. service.
The incident has raised questions not only about the killer but also about Dr. Tiller’s presence in a Christian church.
Tiller was America’s most notorious abortionist, who, by his own count, performed over 60,000 abortions. Over 800 of his surgical procedures were performed on women during the final trimester of their pregnancy.
To perform such late term abortions, Tiller developed a means by guiding a long needle through the mother’s abdomen in order to inject a drug called Digoxin within the baby’s heart. Some of the babies were not killed instantly but died several days later in hotel rooms near the clinic.
Some might argue that Tiller performed these procedures because he did not believe that a fetus represented a human being. But Tiller appeared to be fully aware that he was committing mass murder, since he offered to perform funeral services and even baptisms for the babies he killed. The doctor believed that such rituals aided in the “healing process” of his female clients.
To complicate matters, Tiller was an esteemed member of the Lutheran congregation, where his wife - - Jeanne Elizabeth (Guenther) sang in the choir. In 2005, Jeanne cut a record of her favorite songs. The album contains her rendition of The Lord’s Prayer.
In the wake of the killing, the Reverend Lowell Michelson and the Reverend Kristin Neitzel, the pastors of the Reformation Lutheran Church, issued this statement: “Members of Reformation Lutheran Church have been deeply affected by this tragedy. To address their needs, we are assembling a team of crisis intervention specialists. In this time of uncertainty, we stand firm in the promises of Jesus Christ: forgiveness, hope, love, and new life, even from death. We pray for healing and peace to be restored. We offer our thanks for the many prayers of support from across the country. Your words of encouragement are a blessing to the people of Reformation Lutheran Church and Wichita.”
And so the members of the Wichita congregation remain so distressed over the death of America’s #1 baby killer that they require the services of crisis intervention specialists.
They and the two ministers also require an introduction to basic religious doctrine.
The Didache or “The Teaching of the Apostles,” one of the oldest Christian documents (circa 120 A.D.) contains the following injunctions against abortion and infanticide (both of which were common practice in pagan Rome): “You shall not kill an unborn child or murder a newborn infant.” This equation of abortion with homicide was upheld by Tertullian, the father of Latin theology. In his treatise “On the Veiling of Virgins” (206 A.D.), this Church father railed against women who “conceal their sinful failures” by committing “homicide” by means of procured abortions. In 250 A.D., St. Cyprian maintained that abortion represented a crime far worse than “parricide.”
By the time of the Church Council of Elvira in Spain (305 A.D.), abortion was judged to be so grave an offense that a woman who purposefully destroyed a child in her womb, when the child was conceived by an act of premarital fornication or adultery, was held to be guilty of a sin that merited double damnation.
This teaching was upheld throughout the two millennia of Christian history. Martin Luther, in fact, refused to sanction abortion even when the life of the mother was at stake. In Von Ebelichen Lieben, he wrote: “If they become tired or even die - - that does not matter, let the woman die in childbirth.”
Of course, such teachings are lost to modern mainline Christians, most notably, the members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Tiller’s denomination, which fails to see the distinction between the sacred teachings of tradition and the demands of the godless spirit of the age. This ersatz religious organization, which sees no relationship between Islam and terrorism, simultaneously voiced its support for abortion rights while condemning the death penalty.
I confess that I did not even flinch when I heard this news.
It is difficult to think that this scumbag’s life was worth more that the over 60,000 children he murdered.
This is what I tell my 2nd grade Sunday school class “going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than going to McDonalds makes you a hamburger”.
I have a hard time believing, based on what he did for a living, he was right with God when his time came.
The people in that Lutheran church are hideously confused.
I honestly believe that anyone calling themselves “Christian” who would stand by and allow a member of their own church be an active participant in infanticide as this “church” did, is not a Church that God recognizes as His.
At the bare best, this “Reformation Lutheran Church” is guilty of being as the church at Thyatira (Revelation 3). And I am inclined to think much worse - such as the synagogue of Satan as described in Revelation 3... “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;”.
CHRISTIAN is not an adjective. It is an active noun.
Either you is ‘a Christ-like one’ or you is not. And to be a Christ-like one means you live His life.
No where do I find Jesus Christ performing an abortion, but I do find Him healing a woman with a blood disease, a blind man, ten lepers, a demonic man, an official’s child, another man’s servant . . . among many others.
WWJD? Jesus would not have killed Dr Tiller, but would have patiently waited for him to repent . . . just as He waited for “Jane Roe” and still waits for many others. Now, Dr Tiller will not get the chance to change his mind.
From the little I’ve heard, it appears that the LEFT wing Media is trying to make the Shooter out to be some “religious nut” who had mental health issues. I think someone classed him as a “domestic terrorist.”
Somehow . . . letters to the editor? . . . we need to counter that tag with something verifiable. To my knowledge he was NOT a member of this forum or of any other Conservative group.
What is the difference between assassinating Hitler and assassinating this man? 60,000 versus 6,000,000? that is the only difference that I can see.
Vengeance is the Lord’s. Yes it is. One death or six million, is the same. Life is precious, even the life of the monster who’s wife sings in the choir. What a screwed up family that must be.
Something tells me this church sect was about as traditional Lutheran as Westboro is traditional Baptist. Look up the various sects. Not all Lutheran Churches have blood of the innocents on their hands. This obviously is a very liberal sect just as some liberal sects are hidden even in the Roman Catholic or Baptist Churches.
The minister and Board of this church were only too happy to take Tiller’s money every week, and to reward him with a position as an usher.
Imagine the hands that gave you your bulletin each week being bathed in the blood of viable infants that he murdered.
What kind of “church” is this, that would not confront this evil?
I would go so far as to say they are damned.
From a noted Lutheran Scholar from 1973:
Aspotate.
This church gave evil a place of honor. This church not only did not confront evil, it celebrated it.
Bullsh**.
"He who would harm a child, better to have a millstone hung around his neck and cast into the sea."
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Amazing, isn't it? They let pretty much anyone in the door except The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
Same here.
The Pastor and Pastorette have something special to look forward to:shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachNAsbU 2 Peter 2:1 .... just as there will also be false teachers
among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies,
even denying the Master who bought them, bringing
swift destruction upon themselves.
There. Fixed it. Now it is completely understandable.
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