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Why aren't Republicans calling for an investigation into Tiller butcher shop?
Me | 06/06/09 | Vanity

Posted on 06/06/2009 9:19:27 AM PDT by prismsinc

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't 3rd tri-mester abortions ONLY legal if they're "medically necessary"?

I find it hard to believe that all of the abortions Tiller performed were medically necessary. Just saying.


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1 posted on 06/06/2009 9:19:28 AM PDT by prismsinc
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To: prismsinc

he was charged, by the state AG, but a jury threw it out I think


2 posted on 06/06/2009 9:22:00 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: prismsinc

Here is a case of typical leftist duplicity ... on the one hand, democrats want abortion to be beyond state control, so twisted federal judges can dictate policy, while on the other hand, liberals want to tout that Kansas had a trial for charges that Tiller killed viable babies without the ‘state mandated’ reasons for late term abortions and he was found ‘not guilty by state authorities’ since the case was dismissed and the governor protected him.


3 posted on 06/06/2009 9:23:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: GeronL

Well, weren’t we taught that “it’s not the guilt that counts, it’s the seriousness of the charge”. Isn’t that right?


4 posted on 06/06/2009 9:24:29 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc

BTW, physicians who reviewed the cases under question in Tiller’s indictment found he was outside the law with some of the killings, citing frivilous reasons for late term abortions he was paid to perform.


5 posted on 06/06/2009 9:24:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: prismsinc

I don’t think all of his abortions were 3rd trimester.

He was JUST acquited on 19 charges of 3rd trimester abortion without the requisite INDEPENDENT second opinion.
The second opinion was by someone IN HIS OFFICE & ON HIS PAYROLL. The jury acquited him on all counts in spite of the evidence. I really think the jury needs to examine THEIR conscience - they are due some outrage too.


6 posted on 06/06/2009 9:25:28 AM PDT by OSayCanYouSee
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To: prismsinc

Vote for Kline, he’ll go after Tiller


7 posted on 06/06/2009 9:25:38 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: prismsinc

Republicans? Are you really serious? A spineless lot who, with few and rare exceptions, wouldn’t dare fly in the face of this “heroic adulation” of this murderous butcher. They wouldn’t want to “offend” or appear to be “intolerant”. And especially wouldn’t want to be anything but cordial to Kathleen Sebelius who, in exchange for lots of money, covered this murderer. Ain’t gonna happen.


8 posted on 06/06/2009 9:26:06 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: prismsinc

You ask too many questions, comrade.

You need to visit Obama’s re-education kamps.

The former Kansas governor who supported Tiller (now the Sec. of Health and Human Services) will be glad to answer your questions.


9 posted on 06/06/2009 9:27:13 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: prismsinc

yep. thats apparently all that is important


10 posted on 06/06/2009 9:27:21 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Thus, another reason to believe a third party might emerge


11 posted on 06/06/2009 9:28:11 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc

The last number I heard was 60,000 abortions that this man was responsible for. I can not imagine him sleeping at night. Murder is wrong but I say it’s good to have him gone.


12 posted on 06/06/2009 9:31:43 AM PDT by RC2
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To: prismsinc

Yes, that may happen. I’m not optimistic about it and also not optimistic that things can be made right even if that does happen. For the good of us all and that of our children and grandchildren, let us hope and pray.


13 posted on 06/06/2009 9:32:18 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: OSayCanYouSee
Kansas elected a far left pro-abortion governor and acquitted a murderer. I have little faith in the people of Kansas doing much else about this.
14 posted on 06/06/2009 9:35:02 AM PDT by paul544 (3D-Joy OH Boy!!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

ROTFLMAO!!!!

post of the day!

(My wife’s question actually) A great point of contention for the next GOP donor request phone call


15 posted on 06/06/2009 9:36:28 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc

Democrat supporter, move along nothing to see here.


16 posted on 06/06/2009 9:37:20 AM PDT by bikerman (Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.)
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To: prismsinc

He was a murderous sack of crap that the liberals are trying to make a martyr of. I feel as sorry for his deat as I did for Tookie , when they finally executed him.

The man who killed him had no right to do such a thing and will have to pay for his misdeeds,nevertheless he removed some trash from this planet.


17 posted on 06/06/2009 9:42:24 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Don’t know about that.

There are those who are predicting this guy will be acquitted.


18 posted on 06/06/2009 9:46:52 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc

Testimony during the debate over late term, partial birth abortion confirmed that this heinous procedure was never medically necessary.

If a woman’s life is threatened by a pregnancy that late into the pregnancy, why is it less dangerous for her to partially birth the child, have the doctor kill it, then complete the birth?

The truth is that the only purpose of these abortions is to rid the woman of her child. Tiller was a monster who would have had us believe that he was a compassionate care giver to women.

The devil is the father of lies and of death. He reigned in the heart of Tiller.


19 posted on 06/06/2009 9:47:56 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: prismsinc
Why aren't Republicans calling for an investigation into Tiller butcher shop?

Because, under our laws as currently enforced, what Dr. Tiller did was legal. Secondly, regardless of all the noise the Religious Right makes, fewer than 1.6% of voters say Roe v. Wade is the most important issue in an election. You do not get attention with 1.6% of the people saying your issue is the most important one.

20 posted on 06/06/2009 9:49:06 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: RC2

This man took more lives than than the Vietnam War, if the numbers are correct. That is amazing and the left refers to him as a hero?


21 posted on 06/06/2009 9:53:49 AM PDT by pogojones
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To: MindBender26

No. It’s because they’re gutless spineless jellyfish. That’s why.

You’re a suspect poster.


22 posted on 06/06/2009 9:57:52 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc
could someone explain to me how trimester of a glob of cells has anything to do with a woman's right to privacy? I'm confused. (facetious alert)
23 posted on 06/06/2009 9:59:21 AM PDT by douginthearmy (Until I get the proper order at the drive-thru, the unemployment rate is too LOW!)
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To: prismsinc

“Why aren’t Republicans calling for an investigation into Tiller butcher shop?”

Because Republicans are just a “theory” and nonexistent?


24 posted on 06/06/2009 10:00:56 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: MindBender26

You’re a suspect poster, or you’re attempting some form of irony I didn’t immediately consider.

Apologies if it’s the latter.


25 posted on 06/06/2009 10:01:08 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc

Good information about Kansas law and the power of abortion money:

June 04, 2009
Jack Cashill
Sebelius must share blame for Tiller murder
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=100044


26 posted on 06/06/2009 10:24:57 AM PDT by donna (Sonia Sotomayor: In her world, equal justice takes a back seat to tribal justice. -Pat Buchanan)
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To: Jvette
Testimony during the debate over late term, partial birth abortion confirmed that this heinous procedure was never medically necessary.

If a woman’s life is threatened by a pregnancy that late into the pregnancy, why is it less dangerous for her to partially birth the child, have the doctor kill it, then complete the birth?

The truth is that the only purpose of these abortions is to rid the woman of her child. Tiller was a monster who would have had us believe that he was a compassionate care giver to women.

Thanks, Jvette. You beat me to it.

27 posted on 06/06/2009 10:46:57 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: prismsinc
Dear prismsinc,

Because “medically necessary” was interpreted by the Supreme Court in Doe vs. Bolton (the companion case to Roe vs. Wade) to mean pretty much anything the mother who wished her unborn baby dead wanted it to mean. This “health” exception, according to the Supreme Court, includes the vaguest and mildest mental distress.

There is no meaningful legal bar to abortion up until the point the baby is completely separated from her mother. In spite of what the promoters of baby butchery often say to the general public, that Roe only makes first trimester abortions legal, the reality is that Roe & Doe permit abortion on demand in all fifty states throughout pregnancy.


sitetest

28 posted on 06/06/2009 11:00:25 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Did you hear Rush this week discuss the laws on the books in 30 states stating that adult children are financially responsible for the care of their elderly parents, and that the Government will begin to enforce these laws to try to “save Medicaid”?

I think it’s time to ask mothers about to have an abortion “Don’t you want to take advantage of this government benefit”?


29 posted on 06/06/2009 11:08:07 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc
Wow, have been here 10 years, have worked tirelessly for the elections of Conservatives and since I point out that the anti-abortion groups TACTICS have been a gross and general failure, I am a “suspect poster.”

Wow, you are as narrow visioned as you often appear.

Since you claim to be so correct, and so on the side of God, when are you going to realize that since you are right as to cause, but less than 2% of Americans see Abortion as the most important issue in an election, when are you going to stop blaming everyone else for the continuance of abortion and start placing some of the blame where it belongs, on you and the incredibly poor tactics you employ?

Accepting responsibilities for outcomes is the first step of leadership. You guys have screwed it up since the 60s.

Ask anyone who served in Vietnam; Just because you are right on an issue doesn't alleviate the need to use proper tactics to achieve your goal.

30 posted on 06/06/2009 11:10:02 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: prismsinc
Wow, have been here 10 years, have worked tirelessly for the elections of Conservatives and since I point out that the anti-abortion groups TACTICS have been a gross and general failure, I am a “suspect poster.”

Wow, you are as narrow visioned as you often appear.

Since you claim to be so correct, and so on the side of God, when are you going to realize that since you are right as to cause, but less than 2% of Americans see Abortion as the most important issue in an election, when are you going to stop blaming everyone else for the continuance of abortion and start placing some of the blame where it belongs, on you and the incredibly poor tactics you employ?

Accepting responsibilities for outcomes is the first step of leadership. You guys have screwed it up since the 60s.

Ask anyone who served in Vietnam; Just because you are right on an issue doesn't alleviate the need to use proper tactics to achieve your goal.

31 posted on 06/06/2009 11:16:44 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: MindBender26

I don’t employ “tactics”. Never have.

My suspicion about you was correct. You’re a cloak conservative, but your pro-statist streak has reared its ugly head.

There’s no point in fighting for anything if your fundamental purpose is anything other than defending and protecting the innocent. If you haven’t come to this conclusion intellectually, sadly, you’ll achieve this conclusion in a deeply personal event at some point in your life, in a way you’ll least expect it.

I pity you. You and Obama are brothers in arms. You might as well support him, as you’re doing a disservice to true conservative advocacy.


32 posted on 06/06/2009 11:23:58 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc
Too busy with your our name-calling, you are missing the point..... or perhaps you do so to avoid responsibility for your failures.

Stop and think. Since we are right on the issues, why do so many people care so litle?

Two important point:

#1, We are right on the issues. With some very very rare exceptions, abortion should be illegal in the first trimester. It should always be illegal after the first trimester.

#2, Despite having the above facts on our side, the issue is the critically important issue in national elections for less than 2% of the voters. Despite tremendous expenditures of time, effort and money, 49 out of 50 voters think there are more important issues than yours.

Whose fault is that? Is it the fault of the unborn babies? Is it the fault of the justness our cause? Or is it the fault of some people, (and some very highly paid people) who insist on using the same tactics to fight abortion that have been such a failure for the past 40 years?

Abortion will cease to occur in America when the pro-life supporters decide to begin to use tactics that will change the hearts and minds of the voters, not the same old worn-out tactics that have a perfect record of failure for 40+ years.

Don't blame those who disagree with abortion but have their eyes open enough to see that these tactics have been a failure. Look to yourself and those who have simply repeated the same failures for 40+ years.

Golda Meir said Arab children being used as suicide bombers will cease when Arabs learn to love their children more than they hate Jews.

Abortion will stop when our side learns to love the unborn more than they are attached to their failure-proven tactics.

33 posted on 06/06/2009 11:44:03 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: MindBender26

Again, I’ve not employed “tactics”, and I can’t legally “stop” abortions. I can’t “fail” if the other side makes the rules.

You’re way off topic here. Republicans are spineless jellyfish. I wanted all of us to consider badgering our representatives to start investigating Tillionaire Tiller’s butcher shop.

One doesn’t need a law degree to comprehend the problem with the Federal Government wanting to enforce the act of abortion UNTIL someone commits an illegal abortion. THEN the Federal Government wants the STATES to enforce the law, absolving the Feds and expecting the State Government to pick up the (legal, financial & moral) tab. I can’t say for certain right off hand, but constitutionally, there appears to be some 14th Amendment ‘equal clause’ missaplication going on here, I suspect.

The other problem I have with your comment here is that you’re blaming those of us that want to stop abortions for the abortions that go on. WHAT? That’s the same perverse logic Obama uses! Advocate abortion for the sake of reducing them! Think about what you’re saying!

As for name calling, you did it. I only said I pitied you.


34 posted on 06/06/2009 12:04:13 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc

What the heck is a “cloak conservative”?


35 posted on 06/06/2009 12:12:55 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: prismsinc

All of the old time Republican fighters are gone. What’s left over is a bunch of wimps.


36 posted on 06/06/2009 12:14:01 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: MilspecRob

My definition? Someone who ‘cloaks’ their values in conservative ideas, but when the rubber meets the road, they remove their veil and show what they truly are.


37 posted on 06/06/2009 12:17:59 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc
No sir, I am only pointing out the total and complete failures of your program to build a constituency... and by the way, your supporters threatening to withhold their votes if someone is not “anti-abortion enough”.

I sometimes wonder.... People like Jessie Jackson never want to solve racial problems, because if they did, they would be out of a million dollar a year job.

I wonder, since the people at the top of the anti-abortion movement are supposedly smart men and women, then why do they insist on raising money to simply repeat the same tactics that have failed so terribly... and pay themselves well to “administer” those programs and tactics?

Why would they continue to waste money on programs that don't work?

Makes one wonder......

38 posted on 06/06/2009 12:22:25 PM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: prismsinc

Yer kidding, right?


39 posted on 06/06/2009 12:31:52 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: MindBender26

What on God’s green earth are you talking about?

I’m not part of any “program”! Where did you get this insane idea? This is why I found you to be suspect!

I speak for myself. I don’t carry a “banner” for any organization.

Besides, if this is what we’ve come to, that the only way one can advocate “life” is to be a member of a group, then we deserve to tumble into the flames of hell that await us.

Being an advocate of life is a God-given obligation, not some stuffed-shirted politician’s perversely written interpretation of a “pro-choice” position, as the unborn get no choice.

There was history before Vietnam. There was history long before the Revolutionary war. It would behoove us all to remeber that.


40 posted on 06/06/2009 12:57:52 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: sitetest

LOL yeah, I was being facetious


41 posted on 06/06/2009 12:59:29 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't 3rd tri-mester abortions ONLY legal if they're "medically necessary"?

Under Roe and Roe's progeny any abortion at any stage is legal unless specifically outlawed by statute, and that statute having been upheld in court. It appears Kansas had a relevant statute but Tiller was able to work around it.

42 posted on 06/06/2009 1:01:46 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: prismsinc

I dont se an acquittal, the guy did murder a person, some may even say a human. He will get time.


43 posted on 06/06/2009 5:00:06 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Jvette
The truth is that the only purpose of these abortions is to rid the woman of her child.

There was another purpose. $$$! He got $5,000 to $10,000 cash per abortion and paid off the politicians (and generously donated to his apostate ELCA church) with that blood money.

44 posted on 06/10/2009 9:09:06 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: Jvette

Tiller and his compatriot Carhart sold the aborted baby’s body parts (organs and so forth), too.


45 posted on 06/10/2009 9:15:12 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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