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Sikhs Challenge U.S. Army's Ban on Turbans, Beards
Fox ^ | 06.14.09

Posted on 06/14/2009 8:44:05 PM PDT by Dr. Marten

NEW YORK — Military service is in Capt. Kamaljit Singh Kalsi's blood.

His father and grandfather were part of India's Air Force. His great-grandfather served in the army in India under the British. So when U.S. Army recruiters talked to him during his first year of medical school, he readily signed up.

But his plans to go on active duty in July are now on hold. An Army policy from the 1980s that regulates the wearing of religious items would mean he would need to shave his beard and remove the turban he wears in accordance with his religious precepts.

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KEYWORDS: army; india; military; religion; sikhs
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1 posted on 06/14/2009 8:44:06 PM PDT by Dr. Marten
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I saw a show where a Sikh US Customs officer was permitted to wear his turban and beard.


2 posted on 06/14/2009 8:48:21 PM PDT by toothfairy86
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No exceptions. Can’t meet the existing requirements, don’t ask for special treatment.


3 posted on 06/14/2009 8:48:42 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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The reason is SIMPLE why he has to shave and take off the turban - let’s see him do both in SIX SECONDS while he donns his protective mask in the event of a chemical attack.

End of story.

How the Hell did he become a Cpt with a beard? Must be a REMF.


4 posted on 06/14/2009 8:48:53 PM PDT by datura ("Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic")
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So as a male I am required to keep my hair short for some practical purpose that does not apply to female Soldiers?


5 posted on 06/14/2009 8:50:34 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Until I get the proper order at the drive-thru, the unemployment rate is too LOW!)
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Ridiculous. Go home if you can't take it here.
6 posted on 06/14/2009 8:52:50 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (A woman will be the next President; I hope it's Palin instead of HRC.)
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To: datura

Probably can’t don-and-clear within 9 seconds either. :-)


7 posted on 06/14/2009 8:53:26 PM PDT by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: Central Planning Czar)
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To: datura
Dont get me wrong, when you join the military you dont get to sign up with the option of doing things your way. It's called service for a reason. Everyone sacrifices and spouses and children who didnt even sign on the dotted line sacrifice.

But females have their own standards, so it is intellectually dishonest to claim that the male standards are not at least in part arbitrary.

8 posted on 06/14/2009 8:56:58 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Until I get the proper order at the drive-thru, the unemployment rate is too LOW!)
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To: douginthearmy
Yes, as a male, and soldier, you are expected to fight as part of a unit of males.

Last I heard, women were not expected to be the tip of the spear.

Don't get me wrong. I have a pony-tail myself, now that I'm not an NCO. But if I had to be boots and saddles tomorrow morning... it would go away.

/johnny

9 posted on 06/14/2009 8:59:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
An Army policy from the 1980s that regulates the wearing of religious items would mean he would need to shave his beard and remove the turban he wears in accordance with his religious precepts.

10 posted on 06/14/2009 8:59:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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'His father and grandfather were part of India's Air Force.'

So go serve in the Indian army, Swami. We ain't here to conform to the cultural standards you left behind. Now just do us a favor and......


11 posted on 06/14/2009 9:01:01 PM PDT by Viking2002 (This tagline for rent.)
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“The idea that he would have to choose between his country and his faith is hard for Rattan. “I’m offering my life, but I’m not willing to sacrifice my religious beliefs,” he said.”

His life? He is a dental surgeon.


12 posted on 06/14/2009 9:02:13 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: douginthearmy
it is intellectually dishonest to claim that the male standards are not at least in part arbitrary.

I'd turn that upside down and say that allowing females in the military and relaxing the standards for them is arbitrary and intellectually dishonest.

Short hair and no beard makes lots of sense for a warrior in many ways. No hair to grab for grappling, don and clear a mask quicker, easier and faster personal hygiene, uniformity and esprit d'corp.

/johnny

13 posted on 06/14/2009 9:03:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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An Army policy from the 1980s that regulates the wearing of religious items would mean he would need to “shave his beard and remove the turban he wears in accordance with his religious precepts.”......................................... LOL!! The beard and Turbin has nothing to do with the Army regulation about religious articles. If he wants the Beard and Turbin let him have it. See what happens when the first Gas attack occurs and he has to put the mask on.


14 posted on 06/14/2009 9:07:16 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Dr. Marten

Go be unique somewhere else. If they give into this guy, then it opens the door to any number of special requirements. Soldiers will start demanding to wear dreadlocks or a bathrobe on duty.


15 posted on 06/14/2009 9:07:51 PM PDT by skikvt (Green is the new red.)
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16 posted on 06/14/2009 9:10:21 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Dr. Marten

Start granting exceptions to one group and there will be a long line of other groups wanting special treatment based on their beliefs and customs.

It’s silly to discuss this man’s request as if it will be the only one.


17 posted on 06/14/2009 9:18:16 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Viking2002

LoL... exactly.. short to the point no waste of words..


18 posted on 06/14/2009 9:26:33 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Viking2002

LoL... exactly.. short to the point no waste of words..


19 posted on 06/14/2009 9:26:34 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
'LoL... exactly.. short to the point no waste of words..'


20 posted on 06/14/2009 9:31:49 PM PDT by Viking2002 (This tagline for rent.)
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