Posted on 06/15/2009 3:13:40 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
Gorebull warming is MANmade (and white, Christian man at that) because it's eeeeeevil! If it were gooood, it would be person-made, or gaia-made or some such. No?
“The reports we are getting 7, 10 degrees F below normal are huge numbers. & and 10 degree temperature drops are way more then I would expect due to decreased sunspot activity.”
Well, remember the global mean is different than regional activity. I think the key things are that the temperature anomalies are to the low side, rather than to the up side. If global warming were happening, you’d expect the reverse.
It’s forecast to be 90 deg. here today, with a “feel” of 99 deg. About right for this time of year. A little cooling would be welcome!
The other thing to remember about all the late snowfall and precipitation is that both snow and clouds reflect a lot of energy back into space...which is a quite chaotic and non-linear effect. Cloud modeling in particular is a weak spot in the climate models:
That article is pretty technical, but there’s some good meat there. The short version is that in reality rising temperatures trigger more clouds, and negative temperature feedbacks, whereas the alarmist models use a positive feedback model (higher temperatures mean fewer clouds).
If that were the case, of course, it’s hard to see how the Earth returned from higher temperature regimes in the past.
Personally I am past the AGW argument, it is not happening. I have been telling folks for years (many many years) that mankind has far more to worry about with global cooling then global warming and that global cooling is far more likely then global warming.
The Global warming crowd has to go back 400 million years to find a single iffy case of run away warming. However one only has to go back 15,000 years to find a case of run away global cooling. Plus there are many instances of run a way cooling (ice ages) in the last few million years. Even a dumb ass like Al Gore should have been able to see that cooling is the far greater and far more likely threat.
We are 12,500 thousand years into an inter glacial that typically lasts 10 to 20 thousand years. So the next ice age is due any time now. The change from inter glacial to ice age happens very quickly. It is not a gradual temperature drop, it is a dramatic drop in temperature in a mere 10 years or so. Looking at the data, we might be in the first 2 or 3 years of a dramatic drop then again maybe not. I for one am paying attention.
Getting back to your original point about sunspots, let’s say the Sun’s overall output is down 1% overall right now, across the spectrum, which is likely conservative. Space measurements have shown it’s down over 6% in some regions of the ultraviolet. Solar minimum conditions have already persisted much longer than usual, with no end in sight. It’s worth noting that it’s not known if there’s a solar link in the Ice Age cycles.
Without the Sun, the average Earth temperature would be about that of the cosmic background radiation, let’s say 5 deg. K. With the Sun, we attain a balmy average of around 300 deg. K. (give or take). So, out of that 295 deg range, a drop of one percent would be 2.95 deg K/C (5.3 deg F). Massively oversimplified, but it does illustrate that a 1% drop in solar output is of great concern.
Find no argument with your observations.
Only thing I see differently is it is getting to the point that it must happen, or a total collapse.
The best outcome is a rebellion at the State Level. Not individuals, not militias, not an armed insurrection. But the State Governments telling Washington, NO to overreaching.
Obozo does not have the authority under our Constitution to do most of what he has done. The Rino Pubbies have been totally silent about this. Some of them are in on this, Global Government betrayal.
We have no option but pursue it at the State Government level first. If all else fails, there are other more drastic options. They have not ignored the Guns and Ammo sales, this is not because the citizens are afraid they will be banned, it is preparing for the unthinkable. They know it.
Next Step is a “Huge Liberty Tea Party” on July 4th.
Defy the Media, Defy the National Government!
Obozo = Traitor-In-Chief
As best I can tell no one knows what causes the Earth to go into an ice age. just that it appears to be a reliable cycle in the Earth's current configuration (7 continents, 5 oceans, etc). There are some interesting theories, nothing more.
Since we only have a few hundred years of recorded Sun measurements, a few thousand years indirect measurement (tree rings) and a few ten thousand years of far less reliable ice cores, it could very well be that the Sun cycle contains a long less energetic phase we have never seen before.
It is the short ten yearish transition from inter glacial to ice age that scars me. Of couse it wil take thousands of years for the ice to build up so people will have time to react to that. But that about the 10 to 15 degree F drop in temperature. Ten years might be to short a time to react to that.
I worry about this cause I live in conservative Texas and don't want a bunch of liberal yankees moving down here.
Sounds like we are pretty much on the same page. I hadn’t thought about rebellion at the state level, but that’s mostly because I see little to no difference between politicians at the state level, local level or the federal level. IMO, they’re all corrupt and their hearing only improves with the depth of a given constutents’ pockets.
Federal or state level, they all have the same stench to me. I am watching the Tea Parties closely to see if they begin to get the attention of the DBM. I know that zero and the Dems were concerned about the Tax Day protests despite trying to appear indifferent to them. Right now, this may be the next best option to out and out open reebellion in the street.
Rebellion in the street is not an option.
It would only be an option if the State participated.
The power center of the Nation MUST move from Washington DC if the nation is to survive.
That has to come from pressure on the State Government.
If we fail to do this we are condemmed subjection to the infinitely corrupt World Government, by non-believers.
Two things:
1) Until such time as President Obama nationalizes agriculture, “our” food production is only “ours” if you are directly involved in producing food.
2) Only the starch is removed from grains used as ethanol feedstock; all other nutirents remain.
The government is spending massive amounts of money to subsidize ethanol production. You can't take the money with one hand, and pound on the table about being private with the other.
If you want precision of language, how does "We should end all ethanol subsidies and let the market decide how to allocate food" sound?
States have the same level of corruption and political influence buying that the federal government has. Just look at Illinois and Blagojevich. He isn't the exception, he just got caught but, you can pretty much bet that 85 - 90% of the other states are or have done the same similar thing.
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