Posted on 06/18/2009 6:30:46 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
Netanyahu's speech this week achieved a very important purpose. Egypt's reaction to his demand that the "Palestinians" recognize the fact that Israel is a Jewish state made it clear that it, too, do not recognize Israel as such. All the prime ministers who preceded Netanyahu had totally ignored this essential fact. If he would have wanted to, Netanyahu could have ignored it as well. In this respect, Netanyahu has performed a tremendous service for the state of Israel and is deserving of praise. Suddenly, Israelis learned that it is not just the stubborn "Palestinians" who do not recognize the right of the Jewish people to a state in the Land of Israel. It is also the Egyptians - with whom we have "peace." Obama's entire ascent to power and his pressure on Israel, all the hostile speeches and political deterioration are not a price too dear to pay to crack the lie of the "peace process" and its stranglehold on Israeli society.
The rhetoric with which Netanyahu opened his speech was music to most Israeli ears. It is also important. It has been a long time since an Israeli leader has talked about our right to the Land of Israel. The problem is, though, that Netanyahu's rhetoric contradicts the political conclusion at the end of his speech. Actually, Netanyahu used the age-old tactic copyrighted by the Biblical spies. They began their speech by extolling the praises of the Land of Israel. But it was just a ploy to cajole the Children of Israel into accepting a conclusion counter to the praise. Journalist Ari Shavit most precisely summed up Netanyahu's speech in his article in Ha'aretz.: "The rhetoric of the speech was right of center, but the political conclusion was left of center."
On the surface, it seems that Netanyahu has managed to alleviate the pressure on Israel and to duck Obama's arrows. But let us not deceive ourselves. The sighs of relief released by Pinchas Wallerstein and the Yesha Council and the support of Effie Eitam from within the Likud stem from – in the best case scenario – deplorable short-sightedness.
Nothing will remain of Netanyahu's conditions for a Palestinian state, just like nothing remained of the 14 reservations he attached to his vote in favor of the expulsion from Gush Katif. But the basic principle that Netanyahu outlined in his Bar Ilan speech – that there is a Palestinian nation and that the State of Israel recognizes the right of that "nation" to sovereignty in the Land of Israel – will cost us dearly.
Netanyahu scurried up the Palestinian state tree in order to escape from Obama. Right now, it may seem that we can rest a bit at the top of the tree. The columns of black-uniformed settlement destroyers have returned to their bases for a short break. But Obama and the entire world are waiting at the foot of the tree. We have nowhere left to run and the branches of the tree do not provide much cover against the arrows that they will yet shoot our way.
As soon as we accepted the principle of "Palestinian" self-definition, we accepted their basic claim that we are nothing more than foreign conquerors in our own land. True, as Obama and Achmadinijad mentioned in their speeches, we came here from Europe under tragic circumstances. But our suffering does not give us the right to rob another nation of its land. The world will always stand at the side of the just. As soon as we recognized their right to a state, we lost the justice of our claim to Haifa and Jaffa.
Netanyahu's speech will intensify US pressure on Israel. Combined with persistent opposition from Israel's Left, it will likely bring about the end of his government and his political career.
“...Israel, a nation that has willingly killed as many Americans as any other in the region.”
I like to see your evidence to support that contention.
“It is not our ally”
Well, you can create your own reality as you wish. However, Israel is an ally.
Have you convenient forgotten the USS Liberty that Israel intentially attacked at the loss of, I think, around 130 US sailors?
Ally it is not. If it weren’t for our many billions of dollars and our support at the UN, for example, I really doubt that Israel would give us time of day. They were proxies in the Middle East during the Cold War but that is long past. Today, they offer nothing but headaches.
“USS Liberty that Israel intentially attacked at the loss of, I think, around 130 US sailors?”
I have problems with that incident. Whether it was intentional or not is absolutely up for debate (and let’s not go down that road on this road). Iran has been fomenting terrorism against Israel and the US since the Islamic Rev in 1979. These are purposeful attacks on Americans that are consistent since the Revolution and have killed many Americans including the Beirut bombing for one.
“I really doubt that Israel would give us time of day. They were proxies in the Middle East during the Cold War but that is long past. Today, they offer nothing but headaches.”
That is an opinion. But the facts are that the US and Israel are defacto allies, with like Western cultures being shared....democracy, constitutional government, free markets, Judeo-Christian, enemies and victims of terrorism etc. If you read any Diplomatic History book you’ll find the history of the nations is a positive one with some shared foreign policy goals.
They are clearly our only true ally in an area that is important for economic and political reasons.
I was a undergrad and grad student of US history, with focus on US foreign policy. While that was many years ago, I haven’t forgotten what I read, nor have I not been reading since.
I agree, the two nations have been defacto allies. I think this is ending. The Cold War is over, a distant memory. Israel has nothing to offer the US. And, contrary to your suggestion, it is not a democracy and regarding terrorism, its hands are just as bloody as other nations in the region. Finally, shared culture?! Not today. Not recently. We are past segregation. We are definitely not purveyors of apartheid, nor do we occupy, seize, and settle lands, wage ethnic cleansing, and so forth under the banner of a religion. No, we do not share culture or values. At least, for me, these are not values I associate with the US.
Isreal is for the west, the first line of defense. As Isreal goes, so does America and the west. It is the carnary sent into the mine shaft.
Geert Wilders sums it up best.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2274463/posts
I have seen that anti-semite’s troll’s writings and it is not worth my time. Just plan drival.
“I was a undergrad and grad student of US history, with focus on US foreign policy.”
Request a refund.
Supporting my statement is your entire second paragraph in your previous post.
America is a great country that is a proudly successful democracy.
No, we are a Constitutional Republic with wide scale sufferage.
e’ve gotten past Jim Crow, the KKK, and so forth. We helped overturn apartheid in South Africa. Now it is time to end the occupation, oppression, and apartheid in Israel. Especially as it has occured with our blessing and money for so many decades.
Big talk from a colonist living on Amerindian land, where the indigenous neolithic peoples live in squalid camps. Your argument just deligitimized America. It seems your liberal agenda is detrimental to America.
Further, as a American, it galls me that Americans support Israel, a nation that has willingly killed as many Americans as any other in the region. It is not our ally, but an abusive relationship we’ve put up with for far too long.
Killed Americans? I don't recall taht happening on purpose. Of course the US has armed and trained those killing Israelis. Who is being abusive here?
. If it weren’t for our many billions of dollars and our support at the UN, for example, I really doubt that Israel would give us time of day
The fact that there are about as many Jews in America as Israel and millions of Christians visit Israel suggests that you are speaking out of your behind.
Today, they offer nothing but headaches.
Today Israel, tomorrow Eruope, in 50 years New Jersey. I suppose you think that Mohammed's call for world conquest ins a Zionist fantasy.
That's very obvious.
While I am Catholic, I do not care about one religion or another in the realm of politics, America’s foreign policy, and our relations other countries. That the country has had a guilt trip laid on it for over half a century has distorted our foreign policies and damaged our national interests. Enough. The occupation, oppression, and apartheid must end. That it is occuring under the Jewish banner is unfortunate. Calling for it to stop is legit and not, as others write, anti-Semetic.
Please forgive me if I find your story hard to believe. You have attacked "Jewish theocracy" (which Israel isn't unfortunately) and Serbs and said you wouldn't want Baptists to run America. Yet you have not said one word about moslem theocracy, moslem oppression, moslem conquest, and moslem apartheid. That appears to be the only monocultural state that doesn't offend you.
You know what I think? I think you're a moslem "theocrat" on this forum practicing "taqqiya" (or whatever it's called). There's no other reason for you to have such a disproportionate focus on Israel in a sea of Arab/moslem oppression.
I have my own theory, but I don't have the time to type it right now. Besides, I've typed it numerous times before.
Do they remember when FDR sent boatload of fleeing Jews back to Hitler's gas chambers???
Obviously not.
Nope. The first duty of every being in existence is to the Jewish G-d Who created the universe and everything in it. To say that each person's country comes first is a form of henotheism, the idea that there is a different "gxd" and a different "truth" for every country.
Woah. No wonder you don't like Israel. It's "uprooting" your "organic connection" to the "motherland!"
Further, as a American, it galls me that Americans support Israel, a nation that has willingly killed as many Americans as any other in the region.
You're referring to the USS Liberty, right?
I do not support Obama but I am American first.
In other words, you prefer your Jew-haters to be "aryans" but you'll take what you can get, right?
So good to know you're out of the hospital, Mr. Von Brunn!
Are you prepared to return occupied Turtle Island to its indigenous inhabitants?
“Further, as a American, it galls me that Americans support Israel, a nation that has willingly killed as many Americans as any other in the region. It is not our ally, but an abusive relationship we’ve put up with for far too long.
I do not support Obama but I am American first. Before you trash the US for a foreign country, I urge you to consider your allegiences.”
My allegiance is to supporting democracies over dictatorships. You obviously choose that dictatorships flourish over democracies. You should love Obama. I believe your viewpoints are detrimental to America. You are too like the man you proclaim to dislike, Obama, when it comes to Israel. I think you have a problem with logic and rational thinking here. And again, I highly recommend that anyone with a rational mind ignore your posts as the rants of a person who can’t differentiate between a democracy and a dictatorship. The words “buzz off” comes to mind.
Just another O’Bammy Troll...
I beg to differ Sir with you om accounts of your statements. The Israeli state has done much to improve many things we consider American, way too many to list. But first and foremost. They deserve all our respect and support no matter what you think!
I lived in Israel for six weeks each summer from 1992 until 1999. No greater friends have we in the Middle East than Israel. You should be ashamed of the things you say. " G-D blesses those who bless Israel and HE shall curse those who curse them" it is something you should look into in past History, as to what happened to those nations that cursed HIS beloved Israel.
“G-D blesses those who bless Israel and HE shall curse those who curse them” it is something you should look into in past History, as to what happened to those nations that cursed HIS beloved Israel.”
Well said. This guy needs cursing at every opportunity we get. He’s a schmuck.
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