Pope: St. Paul's Remains Found in Basilica

NewsMax ^ | June 28, 2009 | NewsMax

[conservativegramma]

Pope Benedict announced on Sunday that fragments of bone from the first or second century had been found in a tomb in the Basilica of St Paul in Rome, which he said confirmed the belief that it housed the apostle's remains.

"This seems to confirm the unanimous and undisputed tradition that these are the mortal remains on the Apostle Paul," the pontiff said at St Paul's-Outside-the-Walls, on the eve of the Feasts of St Peter and St Paul celebrated on Monday.

[diamond6]

It’s too bad he wasn’t one of the “incorruptible saints”. I’d be interested to see what he looked like.

[FrogMom]

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[Mila]

"It’s too bad he wasn’t one of the “incorruptible saints”. I’d be interested to see what he looked like."

As a Catholic the idea of any mortal being "incorruptible" in death strikes me as a romantic notion which I would like to believe, but of which I have my doubts. Although all things are possible through God, it has always been my feeling that the manner of burial had more to do with the preservation of the body than much else. Poor Saint Bernadette, for instance, was disinterred innumerable times and the record of what was found does sound pretty remarkable, but because everyone involved were no doubt people of strong faith, their testimony could have been somewhat colored. I will admit though it makes an interesting read.

St. Bernadette in death-

Story of disinterments of Saint Bernadette of Lourdes-1909-1919-1925

http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=paranormal&cdn=newsissues&tm=14&gps=128_155_1003_518&f=10&tt=14&bt=1&bts=1&st=32&zu=http%3A//www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/ba_bernadette_intro.htm

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[WorkingClassFilth]

OK, those definitions make sense - but - most of the relics I’ve seen have seemingly become iconic through lavish religious and artistic embellishment(i.e., crusted with gold and gems, adorned caskets, etc.). Now, when you want to draw a line between veneration and worship, again, I think it’s a hard one to draw. Picking up my Funk & Wagnalls practical dictionary from 1928, its main definition concludes that ‘veneration’ is the act of venerating; reverence. Secondly, it informs me that it is the act of worshiping; worship. From experience, I’d have to say that this is true. In various places around the world, I have witnessed the literal truth of this as common people were induced to worship objects regardless of what notion they were presented under.

Seeing nothing in scripture that would instruct me or anyone else to venerate or worship an object (and seeing multiple warnings against this practice), I would conclude that it’s probably best to let sleeping bones lie right where they are. From dust to dust . . .

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[SunkenCiv]

St Paul’s tomb ‘may be opened’
Italy Mag | 27 June 2009 | Italy
Posted on 06/27/2009 4:34:40 PM PDT by BGHater
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2280921/posts

Pope: Scientific analysis done on St. Paul’s bones
The Detroit News Online | Jun 28, 5:30 PM EDT | NICOLE WINFIELD
Posted on 06/28/2009 4:07:41 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2281369/posts

related:

Oldest Icon of St. Paul Discovered
Posted on 06/28/2009 11:54:12 AM PDT by Mighty_Quinn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2281263/posts

Rome Catacomb Reveals “Oldest” Image Of St Paul
Reuters | June 28, 2009
Posted on 06/28/2009 3:06:32 PM PDT by Steelfish
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2281342/posts

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[Wonder Warthog]

"Now, when you want to draw a line between veneration and worship, again, I think it’s a hard one to draw. Picking up my Funk & Wagnalls practical dictionary from 1928, its main definition concludes that ‘veneration’ is the act of venerating; reverence."

Not at all hard. And your "Funk and Wagnalls" is the wrong place to look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latria

"Seeing nothing in scripture that would instruct me or anyone else to venerate or worship an object (and seeing multiple warnings against this practice), I would conclude that it’s probably best to let sleeping bones lie right where they are."

Deliberate blindness is no excuse. See "brass serpents" in Exodus, images of cherubim and seraphim in multiple places, the ornamentation on the Ark of the Covenant, the decoration of Solomon's temple with many images, and many, many more. Lots of things venerated by the Hebrews "back in the day" (and still today).

[Ann Archy]

St Vincent De Paul is uncorrupted.....my parents saw his body in some Cathedral encased in glass.

[WorkingClassFilth]

What you and I might discuss in cyber-parlors is one thing. The abject reality of what goes on for too many people who actually believe objects have sacred powers is another. Christ is the central point of Scripture and the narrative leading up to His work. All worship is due Him and no other - objects or persons.

[RoadTest]

“I’m guessing Paul would’ve thought dimly of his remains becoming iconic.”

For sure. The flesh profiteth nothing; it is the Spirit that giveth life.

Paul admonished those inclined toward hero worship - he reminded them that it was Jesus Christ who died for their sins, not “Paul or Appollos”.

Peter never even went to Rome. He was the apostle to the “circumcision”.

[RoadTest]

“Hillary Rodham Clinton visited the image at Guadalupe Mexico. She asked “Who painted it?”

The guide’s reply: “G-d.”

The same G-d who forbade the making of images?

[RoadTest]

“I don’t know what he would have thought about his remains becoming relics.”

I do. Paul was a Christian.

[RoadTest]

“St Vincent De Paul is uncorrupted.....my parents saw his body in some Cathedral encased in glass.”

So? Lenin’s body is preserved, too.

[ArrogantBustard]

After much reading it is clear to me that Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox make a clear distinction between worship and veneration. Only God is worshiped. Relics and icons are venerated. It seems to me that Protestants do not make this distinction between worship and veneration since neither relics nor icons play a role in Protestant churches (well, the vast majority of Protestant churches).

Thank you, sir.

[Wonder Warthog]

"The abject reality of what goes on for too many people who actually believe objects have sacred powers is another."

And I say "so what". The teaching of the Church is pellucidly clear. If some people don't understand it, or ignore it, whose fault is that. If folks in your church don't follow church doctrines, do you blame the doctrines?? I think not.

"Christ is the central point of Scripture and the narrative leading up to His work. All worship is due Him and no other - objects or persons."

Study up on what the Catholic Church TEACHES, not what your Protestant propaganda spouts, and you will see that Church teaching is exactly that. That is precisely what the terms "latria" and "dulia" are all about. Go read the link I posted. No Catholic worships any image, period.

[Wonder Warthog]

"The same G-d who forbade the making of images?"

Nope. God never forbade the "making of images". In fact, he frequently commanded them to be made. Re-read your WHOLE Bible. You will find "images" pretty much everywhere, from the brass serpents in Exodus, to the Ark of the Covenant, to the decorations in the Temple, and many more.

And you'll even find miracles performed by "relics" (witness the bones of the prophet that, when dug up, brought the dead back to life).

[RoadTest]

“God never forbade the “making of images”.”

” Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them” - Exodus 20:4

That’s pretty emphatic.

Once you’ve read the “whole Bible”, get to know its Author. He’ll interpret it for you.

The body being thrown onto the Prophet’s bones and springing to life is no reason to venerate pieces of corpses. Leave dead religion behind and come to a relationship with the Almighty.