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Pope: Scientific analysis done on St. Paul's bones
The Detroit News Online ^ | Jun 28, 5:30 PM EDT | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 06/28/2009 4:07:41 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore

ROME (AP) -- The first-ever scientific tests on what are believed to be the remains of the Apostle Paul "seem to conclude" that they do indeed belong to the Roman Catholic saint, Pope Benedict XVI said Sunday.

Archaeologists recently unearthed and opened the white marble sarcophagus located under the Basilica of St. Paul's Outside the Walls in Rome, which for some 2,000 years has been believed by the faithful to be the tomb of St. Paul.

Benedict said scientists had conducted carbon dating tests on bone fragments found inside the sarcophagus and confirmed that they date from the first or second century.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: cult; godsgravesglyphs; pope; science; stpaul
This is so cool.
1 posted on 06/28/2009 4:07:41 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Compared it to DNA from his doctor & x rays of fillings from his dentist?


2 posted on 06/28/2009 4:10:51 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

I thought this was about a dead body in Minnesota?


3 posted on 06/28/2009 4:11:20 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Now if those xrays show a thorn in the side it’s a perfect match LOL.


4 posted on 06/28/2009 4:11:26 PM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Wasn’t Peter buried under the Basilica also?


5 posted on 06/28/2009 4:11:28 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
Way cool.


6 posted on 06/28/2009 4:14:14 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Ted Nugent for Attorney General '12. You Know You Want It.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
“seem to conclude” that they do indeed belong to the Roman Catholic saint

Hmmm...
How can one conclude this?
Bone is Bone
Dust is Dust
There is no mechanism to establish identity conclusively

They opened a grave, for goodness sake
What did they expect to find?
The Holy Grail?

Now THAT would be cool

7 posted on 06/28/2009 4:15:57 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: TypeZoNegative

Of course...what was I thinking?


8 posted on 06/28/2009 4:19:35 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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related:

St Paul’s tomb ‘may be opened’
Italy Mag | 27 June 2009 | Italy
Posted on 06/27/2009 4:34:40 PM PDT by BGHater
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2280921/posts

Oldest Icon of St. Paul Discovered
Posted on 06/28/2009 11:54:12 AM PDT by Mighty_Quinn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2281263/posts

Rome Catacomb Reveals “Oldest” Image Of St Paul
Reuters | June 28, 2009
Posted on 06/28/2009 3:06:32 PM PDT by Steelfish
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2281342/posts


9 posted on 06/28/2009 4:26:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

That the tomb has never been opened in 2,000 years was not in doubt. Why carbon-date bones that no one doubts are at least 2,000 years old? To see if they are older than that, I guess.

Will relics of St. Paul be made available, I wonder.

BTW: For those who deny the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary: How do you explain the total absence of any reputed relics of the B.V.M. in all of Church history? If the early Christians did not believe in the Assumption, wouldn’t there have been real and/or reputed relics somewhere? And if the early Christians DID believe in the Assumption, why don’t you?


10 posted on 06/28/2009 4:26:55 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

That the tomb has never been opened in 2,000 years was not in doubt. Why carbon-date bones that no one doubts are at least 2,000 years old? To see if they are older than that, I guess.

Will relics of St. Paul be made available, I wonder.

BTW: For those who deny the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary: How do you explain the total absence of any reputed relics of the B.V.M. in all of Church history? If the early Christians did not believe in the Assumption, wouldn’t there have been real and/or reputed relics somewhere? And if the early Christians DID believe in the Assumption, why don’t you?


11 posted on 06/28/2009 4:26:55 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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12 posted on 06/28/2009 4:27:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I don’t know, but I’m thinking that I may want to visit the confessional soon..


13 posted on 06/28/2009 4:28:41 PM PDT by rahbert ("When Democrats are in charge, stupid things happen"..)
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To: SkyDancer

Saint Peter’s tomb is said to be beneath Saint Peter’s Basilica, this tomb is beneath the altar of Saint Paul’s Outside the Walls.


14 posted on 06/28/2009 4:29:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Ok, so they weren’t buried together then? Paul is outside the Basilica? Is there a separate building?


15 posted on 06/28/2009 4:32:54 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

What about the DNA?


16 posted on 06/28/2009 4:33:18 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Arthur McGowan
What would be most interesting is if they found fragments of iron that could be matched to Saint Paul's Chains:


17 posted on 06/28/2009 4:36:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
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18 posted on 06/28/2009 4:39:16 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: SkyDancer

Saint Paul’s Outside the Walls is a totally different basilica, it is called this because it is right outside the ancient Roman wall. Both basilicas were built a top the tombs of the Apostles who were martyred on different occasions and buried in different locations. Of course, there are some who claim that Saint Peter was never in Rome.


19 posted on 06/28/2009 4:39:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SkyDancer
St Paul's Outsid the Walls mean outside the walls of Rome check this link

I've been to that basilica and it is beautiful. I love the statue of Paul in the courtyard.

20 posted on 06/28/2009 4:40:02 PM PDT by arbee4bush (Palin!!!!)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

What is so cool about this scam? How the hell can anyone prove those bones are paul’s. Do they have his dna? Right!


21 posted on 06/28/2009 4:44:22 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: gedeon3
What is so cool about this scam? How the hell can anyone prove those bones are paul’s. Do they have his dna? Right!

Maybe, however there are historical considerations:

1. The tomb is in the ONLY location that has ever been claimed as the tomb of Saint Paul.

2. The ancient inscription on the tomb says "Paul, Apostle, Martyr".

3. These studies seem to confirm that the tomb contains human bones.

Based on this, there is a strong possibility that they are Paul's bones. Keep in mind that Sts. Peter and Paul were revered by the early Christians, it is implausible that they would have incorrectly identified or forgotten the locations of their tombs.

22 posted on 06/28/2009 4:56:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Arthur McGowan

They didn’t worship Mary (especially after Jesus rebuked them for giving her special status at a wedding...see Bible), so it’s not so strange that she wouldn’t be found buried under a church like the Apostle Paul, or her possessions idolized and worshiped in shrines....until much later. Interesting logic, though.


23 posted on 06/28/2009 5:34:34 PM PDT by Cherokee Conservative (When Obama screws up healthcare, where will the Canadians go for their surgeries?)
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To: Arthur McGowan

“For those who deny the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary: How do you explain the total absence of any reputed relics of the B.V.M. in all of Church history? If the early Christians did not believe in the Assumption, wouldn’t there have been real and/or reputed relics somewhere? And if the early Christians DID believe in the Assumption, why don’t you?”

Could it be that they didn’t worry about “relics” during the first century? Could it be that they didn’t deify Mary even though she was the mother of Christ?

Could it be that Mary being a Jew, was buried according to custom and then her bones moved and mingled with those of her husband?

Christ is the deity, not Mary.


24 posted on 06/28/2009 6:06:47 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Bookmark


25 posted on 06/28/2009 7:38:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Dutchboy88

LOL...


26 posted on 06/28/2009 8:21:33 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: HangnJudge

Or the Ark...


27 posted on 06/28/2009 8:22:08 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: swmobuffalo

Good insight.


28 posted on 06/28/2009 8:24:02 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
Benedict said scientists had conducted carbon dating tests on bone fragments found inside the sarcophagus and confirmed that they date from the first or second century

The rest of the article says that "this confirms [sic] that these are St. Paul's bones"!

Considering that Paul died c. 56 AD, this is laughable...besides it could be anybody's bones. Maybe the good fathers should stick with their spiritual truths and not make scientific pronouncements in a dogmatic way.

29 posted on 06/28/2009 9:42:28 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: wagglebee; gedeon3
Based on this, there is a strong possibility that they are Paul's bones. Keep in mind that Sts. Peter and Paul were revered by the early Christians, it is implausible that they would have incorrectly identified or forgotten the locations of their tombs

First the article says "This seems to confirm the unanimous and uncontested tradition that they are the mortal remains of the Apostle Paul." But in fact this doesn't confirm anything except that there are bones, and they are 1st or second century.

Second, if the early church could forget where Jesus' tomb was, or the tomb where his Mother was buried, or other apostles, why are Peter and Paul more important?

Third, when was this tomb made, in what year?

30 posted on 06/28/2009 9:56:25 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
...they discovered alongside the bone fragments...a "precious" piece of purple linen with gold sequins...

That tickled me. Apparently, Paul not only preached the gospel to gentiles, but to pole dancers also.

I remember Jesus breaking bread with sinners and tax collectors, so maybe it all makes sense.

31 posted on 06/28/2009 10:08:56 PM PDT by Publius (Gresham's Law: Bad victims drive good victims out of the market.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Fascinating!


32 posted on 06/29/2009 8:12:40 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: kosta50

According to tradition, Paul’s body was buried two miles away from the place of his martyrdom, in the sepulchral area along the Ostiense Way, owned by a Christian woman named Lucina. Upon it was erected a tropaeum which quickly became a place of veneration

Constantine I erected a basilica on the site of the tropaeum, significantly extended by Theodosius I from 386, now known as the Saint Paul Outside the Walls. During the 4th century, Paul’s remains were moved into a sarcophagus, except for the head, which according to church tradition rests at the Lateran. Paul’s tomb is below a marble tombstone in the Basilica’s crypt, at 1.37 meters below the altar. The tombstone bears the Latin inscription PAULO APOSTOLO MART (”to Paul the apostle and martyr”). The inscribed portion of the tombstone has three holes, two square and one circular. The circular hole is connected to the tomb by a pipeline, reflecting the Roman custom of pouring perfumes inside the sarcophagus. The sarcophagus below the tombstone measures 2.55 meters long, 1.25 meters wide and 0.97 high.

The discovery of the sarcophagus is mentioned in the chronicle of the Benedictine monastery attached to the Basilica, in regard to the 19th century rebuilding. Unlike other sarcophagi found at that time, this was not mentioned in the excavation papers.


33 posted on 06/29/2009 7:48:03 PM PDT by VAFreedom
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