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Episcopal Bishop calls individual salvation 'heresy,' 'idolatry'
One News Now ^ | 7/9/2009 | Staff

Posted on 07/09/2009 6:03:13 AM PDT by IbJensen

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To: Star Traveler

” that’s kind of like saying the the earth unnaturally revolves around the sun... :-)”

I see you have been reading Gore again. I understand his next project is to dispute Capernicus’ heliocentric theory. He thinks there might be some money to be made there; probably out of Stimulus II.


101 posted on 07/09/2009 8:42:41 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

:-)


102 posted on 07/09/2009 8:44:00 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Gay State Conservative; stephenjohnbanker

“Sounds a lot like the new Dean of the Harvard Divinity School (which is essentially an Episcopalian entity) publicly declaring that abortion is “a blessing””

An Episcopal priest, the Rev. Canon J. Edwin Bacon Jr. from Southern California, said on Oprah that “being gay is a gift from God.” Even Oprah was stunned.


103 posted on 07/09/2009 8:45:25 AM PDT by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: muawiyah
I think the problem here is that we are hearing it from someone in the Anglican tradition..

The Anglicans are generally not as wacked out as the Spong-fed "god is dead" Episcopalians.

This might be a seal or hamburger alternative...

104 posted on 07/09/2009 8:46:35 AM PDT by x_plus_one ("Salvation comes about though change in individual lives, not through the ending of unjust society")
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To: IbJensen

Too bad the pope can’t tell her to shut up.


105 posted on 07/09/2009 8:51:22 AM PDT by x_plus_one ("Salvation comes about though change in individual lives, not through the ending of unjust society")
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To: rwa265

Way over the top.


106 posted on 07/09/2009 9:04:50 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: IbJensen

Satan has been driving that particular train for quite a while...


107 posted on 07/09/2009 10:08:05 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: KarlInOhio
the great Western heresy

Individual redemption or salvation a strictly Western concept?? Then how come it is a shared concept of all the "Eastern" religions of which I am aware, Daoist, Buddhist and Hindu. Meditation is hardly an exercise if collective group think. The woman is an idiot anyhow.

108 posted on 07/09/2009 10:46:21 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: yldstrk; uptoolate
Furthermore, you may stfu it has nothing to with anatomy and everything to do with a godly developed character

Maybe its just me but I'm pretty sure "shut the f$#&k up" and "godly character don't belong in the same sentence.

Besides, aren't you shooting the messenger (one removed in this case).

109 posted on 07/09/2009 6:41:57 PM PDT by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: NucSubs; yldstrk; uptoolate
Lets try again, in English this time.
Furthermore, you may stfu it has nothing to with anatomy and everything to do with a godly developed character

Maybe its just me but I'm pretty sure "shut the f$#&k up" and "godly character" don't belong in the same sentence.

Besides, aren't you shooting the messenger (once removed in this case).

110 posted on 07/09/2009 6:48:59 PM PDT by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: MrB

It is actually possible for someone to be right on one issue and wrong on another. In which case, they need to be commended for the one and educated on the second.


111 posted on 07/10/2009 5:26:49 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: presently no screen name

Personally, I think we should be praising God with heart, soul and mind, but I take you point.


112 posted on 07/10/2009 5:29:02 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

Right, comes from the heart first.


113 posted on 07/10/2009 6:28:41 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: mtg
Hmmm... I don't recall that story from the Bible.

Lots of items and canonical books written at the time didn't make it into the Bible...there are some in the apocrypha you've probably never heard about either.

114 posted on 07/10/2009 12:31:53 PM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Katharine Jefferts Schori says it's "heresy" to believe that an individual can be saved through a sinner's prayer of repentance... called that "the great Western heresy: that we can be saved as individuals, that any of us alone can be in right relationship with God." The presiding bishop said that view is "caricatured in some quarters by insisting that salvation depends on reciting a specific verbal formula about Jesus." According to Schori, it is heresy to believe that an individual's prayer can achieve a saving relationship with God. "That individualist focus is a form of idolatry, for it puts me and my words in the place that only God can occupy."

115 posted on 07/10/2009 7:56:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: mtg; SunkenCiv
Lilith is not in the Bible, but a part of Jewish tradition. See Louis Ginzberg, The Legends of the Jews, Vol. I, pg. 65-66. Here's what I wrote about it on my own website:

Judging from Adam's reaction, he knew right away that Eve was a part of him. That, in fact, was why God made Eve from Adam, so they would be compatible and attracted to each other. One of the sillier Hebrew traditions explained that by claiming that originally God created the first woman from the ground, the way he did with Adam. Her name was Lilith, and she was even more beautiful than Eve. But she did not want to be dominated by man, so she ran away. Adam complained to God that the wife He had given him had deserted him, so God sent three angels to bring her back. They found Lilith in the Red Sea, and they warned her that if she did not return, a hundred of her demon children would die every day. But Lilith preferred this punishment to living with Adam. Therefore, God decided to avoid repeating His "mistake" by creating the second woman from the body of the first man, for "only when like is joined unto like the union is indissoluble." The legend ends by stating that many demons descended from Lilith still lurk in the world today (it doesn't say how she got the children, though).

116 posted on 07/11/2009 7:27:56 AM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: Berosus

Looks like they picked up the Lilith story in Babylonian exile?


117 posted on 07/11/2009 4:36:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“Episcopal Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori says it’s “heresy” to believe that an individual can be saved through a sinner’s prayer of repentance.”

Don’t the Scriptures teach.....”And he brought them out and said, ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ So they said, ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:30-31)

I can’t find any place in the Holy Scriptures where it teaches a principle that one is saved by reciting a “sinners” prayer.

What concerns me more then Schori’s denouncement, is the fact that she is serving in the office of bishop, which is clear from Scripture, an office only reserved for men. That’s the first problem.

Arminianism will ultimately lead to Universalism and chaos.

Have thankful hearts. I remain teachable.


118 posted on 08/17/2009 7:09:25 AM PDT by 2slim
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