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Obama Health Bill: Those on Social Security - Mandatory Counseling on Asst. Suicide
Fred Thompson Show ^ | July 17, 2009 | Betsy McCaughey Interview

Posted on 07/17/2009 4:09:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

On Page 425 of Obama’s health care bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT SH—ing YOU! So those of you who voted for Obama have now put your own parents in dire straights...Congratulations!

Also, planned denial of medical care for seniors.

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To: Jim Robinson; HardStarboard; jilliane; freekitty; FlyVet; Dysart; mockingbyrd; umgud; Desdemona; ...

“Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT SH—ing YOU!”

Whoever said this is full of horse throw. Take a look at this, assuming it’s what’s being used for a source, and show me where it says anything about assisted suicide, let along pushing assisted suicide.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

It would be wise to check the source before posting things like this. Otherwise, a persons credibility suffers.


101 posted on 07/17/2009 7:33:56 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: Habibi

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102 posted on 07/17/2009 7:38:54 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Habibi
"Assisted suicide" may not be found in the text of the bill; however, it is known in the industry that hc budgets will be shifted away fr the elderly and flow to economically viable populations. That is a fact. Those disfavored groups in the proposed system will be ushered compassionately and fiscally responsibly to their expeditious death.

I think you are trying to temper the hysteria here and I appreciate that, but we must also not lose sight of the bigger picture.

103 posted on 07/17/2009 7:53:45 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: ArmyTeach

What about anyone who is in a coma? How long will they be allowed to remain that way? Will they even be given any type of life-sustaining care? Will they pull the plug in a week? A month? Six months?

What about someone who has lost the use of their limbs? Paralyzed in an accident? Is it worth the cost to keep them going?

Who is going to determine whether or not your life is “worth it”?

What about advanced directives? Aren’t they going to be essentially null and void if the government is going to decide on how long you live and what kind of end of life care you receive?

Anyone who has a major health issue, even children with down’s syndrome are going to be a drain on the health care system and the taxpayers. Handicapped need wheelchairs, physical therapy, special education, long-time care, special housing etc. Which ones should be killed off or denied life-saving medical care?

This is just more than old people at the end of their lives. This is children, adults, teens with special needs, victims of disease or accident or born with defects.


104 posted on 07/17/2009 7:59:12 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: Dysart

They may have all sorts of things up their sleeves, but the bill does not support the statements made about it.

The evidence does not support the conclusions made. That’s all I’m saying.


105 posted on 07/17/2009 8:04:55 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: Habibi

Point taken. The methods might differ but the outcomes will not.


106 posted on 07/17/2009 8:11:11 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks for the post. This is an atrocity! Obama must be stopped.


107 posted on 07/17/2009 8:36:35 PM PDT by NorwegianViking (Organizing for America)
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108 posted on 07/17/2009 8:41:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson
Pinged from Terri Dailies


109 posted on 07/17/2009 8:49:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Habibi

Does Habibi have anything to do with Bobo?


110 posted on 07/17/2009 8:51:32 PM PDT by NorwegianViking (Organizing for America)
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To: NorwegianViking

No. Habibi straight!


111 posted on 07/17/2009 8:54:39 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: Para-Ord.45
Consideration of the importance of complete lives also supports modifying the youngest-first principle by prioritising adolescents and young adults over infants .... Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments..... 79 Importantly, the prioritisation of adolescents... considers the social and personal investment that people are morally entitled to have received at a particular age, rather than accepting the results of an unjust status quo. Consequently, poor adolescents should be treated the same as wealthy ones, even though they may have received less investment owing to social injustice."

O.M.G......and I must ask the question that liberals used to ask when dismantling our society -- whose morality?

112 posted on 07/17/2009 8:55:12 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ( Jim Thompson for President.)
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To: conservativegranny
“Anyone who has a major health issue, even children with down’s syndrome are going to be a drain on the health care system and the taxpayers.”

As one who has had major health issues over the years, kept working (at a job you wouldn't believe), and overcome (or at least made a guarded truce with all of them), I'd like to point out that Down’s kids have been mostly sorted out of the mix before birth. Not that there aren't a few of them around. There's just not as many as a percentage compared to their statistical representation in the past.

Due to amniocentesis, they can be detected well before birth. After the determination's been made, it's open season on ‘em. Problem is, the tests are not always accurate (you can see what's coming). We were told that our daughter was Down’s. Not that it made any difference to us, we're not that sort of procreators. We thanked the Doc for the information, and my wife continued to gestate.

She went full term + and now our daughter's 12, and an honor student in her charter school class. Sometimes the answers that technology provides, aren't accurate (and there's one of the problems). So you see, a little faith, and some individual morality can do great things. It certainly did so for Rachel. :-)

As for our son, he's something of a statistical anomaly as well. Technology saved him in-utero (that and a bit of divine intervention), but that's another scary story.

Fact is that 3/4’s of our family would be dead by now without some VERY unlikely “saves”. Saves that were so statistically unlikely that there was pretty clearly some divine intervention involved (I'm a pretty pragmatic guy and believe me, this is not an overstatement). I really do think that when you walk with God, improbably nice things happen. It's true for us.

113 posted on 07/17/2009 9:19:39 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: 353FMG

Exactly!


114 posted on 07/17/2009 9:21:21 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: Jim Robinson

How this is all playing out is like an Old Testament Sunday School story. We now have a wicked pagan king, and we need to be weeping in our fasting and repentance.

I don’t care if this offends anyone - we need revival and a spiritual awakening. I’m not talking about the tent type, but the sovereign God of the universe sending His Spirit among us in a powerful way, enabling us to give His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the glory, honor and praise.

The spirit of Antichrist is on the march, and our only answer is the true Christ. No King but Jesus - and may He bless America!


115 posted on 07/17/2009 9:26:33 PM PDT by scott7278 (Obama, Klaatu barada nikto!)
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To: TurtleUp; wagglebee; cpforlife.org

Here we go...
First, Ginsburg puts out the feelers on eugenics...
Now Population Control Obama-style.

Don't take the shots!

Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu

"...for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived."
- Book of Revelation 18:23

116 posted on 07/17/2009 10:07:20 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: potlatch

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Any trespassers thinking of stopping by around here should opt for sharktank duty


117 posted on 07/17/2009 10:17:07 PM PDT by devolve (- - Take your stinking pawns off me you damned skinny Commie! - -)
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To: JrsyJack

THat is a reasoned objection. But the headline of this thread is a lie and a distortion.

I am deeply suspicious of medical advance directives and always have been. THey are to cover the providers in case they get sued and really do not cover the territory of the last days. People with DNR/s,,I have seen this with my family,,do not get even minimal treatment from what I see.

The best thing available is someone you love and trust and whom you empower to make decisions if you cannot. I see all the time people making decisions about these matters under theinfluence of feeling dreadful and hopeless. Not a good time to say quit treating me.

THe default positon should be treat as you want yourself treated and treat with available means. Not the other way around.


118 posted on 07/17/2009 10:36:15 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: HardStarboard

THe bill is posted.


119 posted on 07/17/2009 10:37:31 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: MamaDearest; SouthTexas; Piquaboy; celtic gal; SkyPilot; justiceseeker93; romanesq; ZULU; basil; ...

Pelosi, Reid, the Fuhrer, and the Congress will make suicide mandatory. Hitler reborn and Nazi Germany reborn. Thank the media and Liberals.


120 posted on 07/17/2009 11:08:07 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Jim Robinson

Prayer for Those Who Are Terminally Ill

 
Lord Jesus, you healed so many people during your public ministry. I bring before you now, in prayer, all those who are terminally ill -- those afflicted with cancer, AIDS, and other illnesses.
 
Look lovingly and compassionately upon them. Let them feel the strength of your consolation. Help them and their families to accept this cross they are asked to carry.  Protect them from euthanasia, Lord.
 
Let them see you carrying their cross with them, at their side, as you once carried yours to Calvary. May Mary be there, too, to comfort them. 
 
Lord Jesus, I know and believe that, if it is your will, you can cure those I pray for (especially N.). I place my trust in you. I pray with faith, but I also pray as you did in Gethsemane: your will be done. 
 
Bless us, Lord, and hear my prayer. Amen.
 
Reprinted from "Queen of Apostles Prayerbook" with permission of copyright holder, Pauline Books & Media,

121 posted on 07/17/2009 11:21:17 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; wagglebee; Jim Robinson; TurtleUp
The Future with Øbozo Health Care

Downtown Sanger Federal Health Clinic
666 Kevorkian Ave.

Dr. Moloch Mengele, M.D.,
Board Certified in all government mandated end of life programs.

Do you have family members who are a burden--of any kind?

Know someone that's:
Unhappy or bored with life, a burden to others, too big of a carbon footprint, life unworthy of living?

Don't want to be punished with a baby?

We end all of those problems in one visit.

Caring friendly staff and Counselors.

Conveniently located next to the Margaret Sanger Federal Office Building and across from the Soylent Foods Distribution Center.

Øbozo Health Care Czar

122 posted on 07/17/2009 11:59:11 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Jim Robinson

Wow! An added benny is it will help alleviate any food shortages. And we thought Soylent Green was just a movie...


123 posted on 07/18/2009 12:18:03 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST. Have I missed anything?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bump for later.

I’m going to be sick......unREAL...this MUST be stopped!!!


124 posted on 07/18/2009 12:26:42 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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Marked to figure out later...


125 posted on 07/18/2009 12:43:52 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Jim Robinson

If they keep this sh!t up, I’m gonna kill myself.


126 posted on 07/18/2009 12:48:55 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: sloop
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127 posted on 07/18/2009 12:50:01 AM PDT by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: goldi
"If this is the case, shouldn’t Ted Kennedy attend mandatory suicide counseling? He’s circling the drain."

Don't forget to include Robert Byrd, Dem. West Va. too.

128 posted on 07/18/2009 12:59:16 AM PDT by StormEye
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To: Jim Robinson
I concurr

I have enjoyed the fruits of freedom that so many soldiers died for since 1776,

give me liberty or give me death

129 posted on 07/18/2009 1:59:55 AM PDT by KTM rider ( revolution is the only thing that can save us now)
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To: conservativegranny
"Who is going to determine whether or not your life is “worth it”?

Sonia Sotomayor

130 posted on 07/18/2009 2:04:33 AM PDT by KTM rider ( revolution is the only thing that can save us now)
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To: Jim Robinson

blackdeathping


131 posted on 07/18/2009 3:23:16 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Miztiki

“Thanks for making my life feel worthwhile Obama! Thanks a whole bunch!”

No one’s life is ‘worthwhile’ under communism.

That’s the ugly point of it. No ONE matters. It is anti-concept this notion of ‘the people’.

‘The people’ are individuals.

If the individual is unimportant and expendable, then EVERYONE IS, get it?

This is why leftism taking out to its only end is a river of blood, a tall pile of corpses.

Is is anti-human, anti-life.

Your choice is simple: a system based on individual rights, or slavery, stagnation and death.

That’s it, folks.

There is no gray area here.

It’s binary.

You are either in the state of being free, or you are falling off towards death.


132 posted on 07/18/2009 3:58:11 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Habibi
If by argue you meant "agree", then you're right.

Pope Likens Denial of Food and Water to Euthanasia

133 posted on 07/18/2009 4:15:12 AM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a this "Health" Bill--or lose reelection)
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To: Jim Robinson

This seems rather appropriate considering the country is on a greased path to national suicide. Where is AARP in all of this? I’ve heard they are in full support of Obamacare. This would seem counterintuitive considering how this will undoubtedly thin their membership.


134 posted on 07/18/2009 5:19:52 AM PDT by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: Jim Robinson

The “Stimulus Bill” already mandated this counseling.

Here in Texas, we have been trying to come up with language or a standard “Advance Directive” that would make everyone happy since 1999. Needless to say, we haven’t been able to bring together all the groups - witness the fights between the prolife groups over the last 2 years.

I’m in favor of a personalized, personal conversation between family members and between the doctor and the patient. There should *not* be mandated counseling and some blurb in the “Medicare and You” handout, as outlined in the bill (pp. 425-434).


135 posted on 07/18/2009 5:40:17 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: 353FMG

(He is not on SS and none of these elites are. They expect you to die after you start drawing SS but they want to live forever because their worth to the country is so much more than yours.)

Some animals are more equal than others.

I just had my daughter read Animal Farm. It’s my son’s next book.


136 posted on 07/18/2009 6:27:03 AM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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To: Jim Robinson
the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years

On another thread, some people were brushing this news off as "fear mongering".....

.....THEY HAD BETTER WAKE UP!

Just because it doesn't seem possible to our "normal" sensibilities, the RATS are mentally on another planet. This makes total sense to them.

People want "free" "health care".....

.....What they are going to get is a system that takes care of the healthy and discards those who are sick or old.

137 posted on 07/18/2009 7:44:04 AM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Which lobbyist wrote that in? I want to know! I believe I have a right to know.

I’ll have their head on a stake, thank you!


138 posted on 07/18/2009 7:48:15 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: mojitojoe

This is why Great Leader NEEDS to have this legislation passed before the August recess. The longer the paperwork is out in the open before it is signed into law the greater the number of people who actually read its contents. Just be quiet and allow Great Leader to have HIS way.


139 posted on 07/18/2009 7:51:51 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Rodebrecht

With some koolaid to wash it down.


140 posted on 07/18/2009 8:53:45 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Why beat around the bush and just simply directly pray to God to destroy us? We are asking for it anyway. No country I know has ever passed legislation to actively encourage people to kill themselves.

After it becomes mandatory, do these dolts passing the bill think they will be exempt? Even ‘good party members in good standing’ will be forced because they crossed Zero in one way or another. And he will send them off because personalities like him need to destroy others before they destroy themselves.


141 posted on 07/18/2009 8:56:40 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Our President and our Congress intend to sign our death warrants.


142 posted on 07/18/2009 9:40:03 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Desdemona

“Mandatory? For at least one Church, mine, suicide is considered sacrilegious. For Jews, I believe, also. I don’t know about some of the others”

Mahometans (they hate being called that;) get 72 virgins, especially if they take some infidels with them!

“This is simply outrageous and an affront to morality and common decency.”
YES!!!! But America is in the hands of EVIL Communist freaks. Declare yourself an “enemy of the revolution!;)


143 posted on 07/18/2009 1:20:38 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: devolve
 

 

144 posted on 07/18/2009 1:59:21 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: umgud

>Normally I woulldn’t believe such tripe........ but these ain’t normal times.<

It;’s true :-(

‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.”


145 posted on 07/18/2009 9:47:17 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Jim Robinson

Miserable excuses for human beings!


146 posted on 07/18/2009 9:52:59 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: stayathomemom

>Another thread on this topic references a different page of the bill. We should verify this and make sure the references are correct.<

425
•HR 3200 IH
1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
2 consultation shall include the following:
3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
4 vance care planning, including key questions and
5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo
6 ple to talk to.
7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
8vance directives, including living wills and durable
9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con
14 sumers and their families with advance care plan
15 ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad
16 vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.


147 posted on 07/18/2009 9:58:33 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Habibi

425
•HR 3200 IH
1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
2 consultation shall include the following:
3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
4 vance care planning, including key questions and
5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo
6 ple to talk to.
7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
8vance directives, including living wills and durable
9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con
14 sumers and their families with advance care plan
15 ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad
16 vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.


148 posted on 07/18/2009 9:59:43 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: cajungirl

>I READ the bill and while themandatory counseling every five years is there, and more often if you are “sick”, there is nothing on assisted suicide.
I do think we don’t fight a battle well with untruths.
I would not put this past them burt THERE IS NOTHING IN THE BILL ON ASSISTED SUICIDE.<

You better read it again then. You must have missed this.

‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.


149 posted on 07/18/2009 10:05:09 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: cajungirl

>But to say this has assisted suicde in it is a lie,,and reflects poorly on honest people.<

It is right there in black and white.

‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.


150 posted on 07/18/2009 10:11:46 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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