Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
* * R O U G H * * D R A F T * *
(continuing my remarks from prior thread)
Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.
Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.
Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.
An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:
The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.
An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.
A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.
Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.
We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:
The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.
As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:
The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.
We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.
The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.
We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.
The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.
We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.
The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.
The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).
The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.
Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.
Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.
The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.
No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.
All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.
The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.
Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.
The Federal Reserve.
Border security.
Medicare.
FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.
Federal Pensions.
Etc, etc, etc.
Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.
This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.
To what end is all of this?
By all means, feel free to assemble; it is a right enshrined in the constitution and you are entitled to do so.
Feel free to make your dissent known. Again, it’s right there in the Bill of Rights at the top, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with exercising that right.
But what is your goal? To remove the current government? The current, fairly and democratically elected government? Just because you don’t agree with it? I’m all for shaking things up now and again, and we’re fortunate that we can do so every couple of years. This violent rebellion talk needs to stop, though; it isn’t productive, and someone is eventually going to take it too far. Ok, you guys didn’t do so well last November, go home, regroup, come up with some fresh ideas, find some candidates you support, and try to come back stronger in 2010; that’s how this country works.
So, assemble, let your voices be heard, but stop with all this violence nonsense; it isn’t helping your cause.
Wait. You want Hillary Clinton to be president? Because that’s what would happen under your plan. Just sayin’ you might want to think about that ...
The radical leftists have already overthrown the existing institutions of our constitutional republic. Jim Rob is advocating that we turn back that radical, Socialist-Marxist transformation, and force a return of our government to its proper, original form.
Why don't you see this? How can what he's proposing possibly sound "radical" to you?
Or, do you think that being patriotic simply means that our role is to always stand passive, never doing anything proactive to protect and defend our own liberties?
What a cushy, sheltered life you must live, if you don't see the present danger, or hear the klaxons blaring.
During the Vietnam War years, my local public school social studies department (made up of liberals) was teaching “values education” to the kids. One of the discussions centered around at what point it was acceptable to use violence to bring about change in government—tying in the anti-war protests to the Boston Tea Party. Conservatives appear to be way behind in this discussion.
Hillary would make a lovely president. Twice as smart, twice as patriotic and twice the balls of Obama.
And she hates that evil bastard twice as much as your average American.
Hell hath no fury like Hillary scorned.
That's called damning with faint praise, lol.
What violence? I have proposed a peaceful march.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but I've haven't been able to sleep since November 4th.
Treason? You call asserting our right of free assembly, and the demanding of redress of our grievances "treason"?
The Founders were guilty of far worse against the British Crown than what Jim Rob is advocating. He's not advocating anything that isn't already codified into our founding documents, and a part of our long traditions of citizen activism.
Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.
Why should they start living up to their promises now? They've been increasing the size of the socialist state in this country at least since FDR's time, and they've NEVER been made to explain the abject failures of their social programs and nanny state agencies.
Friend, you are living in some sort of time warp. The time for your sort of fighting back passed at least a generation ago.
That you did. My reply was really meant more as a reply to this thread in general than you in particular. It’s just that your name was at the top of the first page. I certainly don’t agree with you on most things, but I’m not going to smear you unjustly.
“Conservatives know that radical overthrow of existing insitutions is fraught with danger.”
“The radical leftists have already overthrown the existing institutions of our constitutional republic.”
Really. And they managed to do it without violent overthrow of the Government for the past 40 years.
Maybe you should pay more attention to my words and posts - like where I suggest we should LEARN and ADOPT the tactics and methods of the Left to win America back for freedom. If they could do all THEY did without a shot being fired, so can we. To assert otherwise is wimpy weak and defeatist.
“How can what he’s proposing possibly sound “radical” to you?” - gee, the part about deposing Obama and making Hillary President was a bit radical. And stupid.
“Or, do you think that being patriotic simply means that our role is to always stand passive, never doing anything proactive to protect and defend our own liberties?”
Passive? Nothing I said could be possibly construed that way. I propose the RIGHT kinds of actions that will SUCCEED, not pipedream calls to extreme action that most Americans like me will reject as nutty and over-the-top.
“What a cushy, sheltered life you must live, if you don’t see the present danger, or hear the klaxons blaring.”
instead of strawman argument questions and assertions that are opposite to reality, try paying attention to what people actually say. I dare say I’ve done more to put sand in the gears of the obama agenda than you know, and than you’ve done ... but all I ask is we all do what we can, *peacefully* and *lawfully* to Stop Obama and his socialist agenda.
“The Democrats in power have to live up to their promises or eat their own BS words. Make them. Lies about 95% of Americans getting a tax cut? Make them eat those words.”
“Why should they start living up to their promises now?”
That’s the POINT. They never do. The American people need to KNOW that OBAMA LIED.
The Democrats need to eat their lies on a daily basis.
Send a message to your newpaper: “Obama lied. Jobs died.” make that your sign for the next TEA Party protest.
“Obama lied. Jobs died.”
Make it your tagline. “Obama lied. Jobs died.”
Tell your neighbor: “Obama lied. Jobs died.”
Send out anti ObamaCare emails: “Obama lied. Jobs died.”
Friend, you are living in some sort of time warp if you think our current information society will be impressed by threats of violence rather than the real stuff of meme warfare - words, emotion, facts and media attention. The time for your sort of physical fighting back passed at least four generations ago.
The battle we fight is a battle of ideas. The pen is mightier than anything else right now. Wage the battle of IDEAS. There is no other worth fighting.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2296247/posts
Here’s your beloved ‘system that works’...
Yes, Republicans, just wait idly for your chance to cast your omnipotent and powerful vote. You get one, they get...well...who knows, and who cares cuz we play by the rules.
“These people aren’t trying to destroy the country, don’t be so extreme, Boucheau! We’ll get our chance during the next election.”
“We’re above the fight, just play by the ‘rules’ and everything will be juuuuuuuust fine.”
This is but one example of how they are tearing the system down.
May I suggest that we don’t sit and wait for them to do us in?
The time to act is NOW!
You’d be a piss-poor political activist if you cant make a HUGE WINNING POLITICAL issue out of that stupid Obama admin decision. 70% of Americans support voter verification.
Rather than put words in other people’s mouths that dont reflect what they are really saying, put words in your own - what are YOU going to do to win back the majority of Americans to liberty? What are YOU going to do - that will acutally WORK and be REALISTIC - to roll back the Obama agenda?
But there were in Iran recently, and in Tianamen Square, at least video cameras in the latter instance..
Didn't help the "peaceful demonstrators" a bit.
“70% of Americans support voter verification.”
The 0bama administration, and the larger part of the Democrat Party doesn’t seem to give a damn what Americans want.
I’m not going to give you my ‘resume’, but I’m doing vastly more than most half-conscious Americans are doing.
I run a business, I take care of my family and I fight the left with the remaining time.
That’s all I’ve done for well over a year.
I’ve been an activist for the right for eight years.
I know what works with the left. Playing ‘nice-guy, above the fray conservative’ might have worked well in previous years, but the enemy we face now is true-blue hard-left and will tear your nice-guy throat out with a grin.
We’re trying to wake people up. The enemy is working outside the paradigm while most on the right, somewhere in la-la land, still believe we’re just one election cycle away from a Reagan resurrection—IT AIN’T HAPPENING THAT WAY, FOLKS.
It’s a great time to be on the hard-left. They have NEVER been so close to reaching crucial milestones that, if achieved, will, in effect, be the start of the end for the US, at least the one you have known and loved.
Socialized medicine will give them a huge boost in reaching the others. In fact, I believe that if they get health care it’s checkmate.
If they socialize medicine in the United States it won’t matter if there is a second-coming of Reagan. We will all serve under the umbrella of the hard-left by default at that point.
There will be no going back without bloodshed.
What on earth are you talking about? I haven't said a word about threatening anyone with violence.
What I have done, is supported the idea of getting a million or more angry Americans to protest the unconstitutional dismantling of our nation in DC on 9/12.
And, I fully support the idea of compelling the resignations of nearly every congressional rep, the VP, and the Resident while we're there. They are in a high state of TREASON to our country and to our people. They should step down, or be forced down.
If you think it takes violence to achieve that, then you're simply dubbing in your own imaginings.
The time for your sort of physical fighting back passed at least four generations ago.
What an incredibly naive and idiotic statement. You say that with such righteous puffery, while good men are putting their lives on the line for your worthless hide, halfway around the world.
And, if you don't think that Obama's faithful wouldn't gladly stomp your brains in, if given the opportunity, then you're suicidally naive.
The battle we fight is a battle of ideas. The pen is mightier than anything else right now. Wage the battle of IDEAS. There is no other worth fighting.
I'll give you a tip. It takes FORCE and INTELLIGENCE to win in this universe. They are not mutually exclusive.
You make very large assumptions for someone who's speaking to a complete stranger. You have no idea who I am, or what I've done.
Your type of braggadocio only works when you can do it anonymously, and from the safety of a computer. That crap wouldn't fly for two seconds in the real world, and you know it, so drop the holier-than-thou bullcrap.
My argument with you, is that you're taking one item out of Jim Rob's proposal, blowing it out of all proportion and reality, and expanding it into an argument against his whole agenda.
You're not the only one here who has disagreed with one or another of his ideas, but most others have simply voiced their reasoning and arguments against just those points they disagree with.
You appear to be attempting to usurp his entire proposal to substitute one of your own. You need to start your own thread, if that's what you want to do. Pitch your ideas, and see how many rally to your concept.
Jim Rob asked for constructive help in refining his basic concepts for this one major activist event. Either you've got some ideas that are helpful, or you don't. If you can't support what he wants to do, then bow out of the conversation. You've already made your point.
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