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Obama's Overseas Travel (Birthergate - Forwarded E-mail)
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Posted on 07/20/2009 9:26:22 AM PDT by wac3rd

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While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:

What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi?

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.

It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion:

When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.

And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter,the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon.

If you do care, then forward this to as many people as possible.

1 posted on 07/20/2009 9:26:22 AM PDT by wac3rd
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To: wac3rd

Every good question deserves an equally good answer.

These are VERY VERY GOOD questions and this stuff is getting deeper and heavier as we go. Zero is sinking fast


2 posted on 07/20/2009 9:31:38 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: wac3rd

“...So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?...”

THAT is a good question. How DID someone 20 years old come up with that much cash to pay for that kind of trip? More and more enquiring minds wants, and needs, to know.


3 posted on 07/20/2009 9:33:40 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (ON 1-19-09 GAS WAS, ON AVERAGE IN MEMPHIS, $1.43 A GALLON.)
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To: wac3rd

Interesting angle. I’m not sure how it would be proved or disproved - what documentation would it involve?


4 posted on 07/20/2009 9:33:54 AM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: wac3rd

Are you 100% sure that Pakistan was on the ‘no travel’ list in ‘81? I heard that same statement months ago, and some Freepers posted that that wasn’t true. Just wondering, thanks.


5 posted on 07/20/2009 9:35:57 AM PDT by joejm65
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To: wac3rd
I received that email as well. I looked up the travel restrictions to Pakistan in 1981. I am of the impression that the restriction was lifted in July of 81.

I am not sure the site I received that information from is reliable or a left wing blog covering for Barry.

Can anyone clear up this matter as to if and when the travel ban was lifted and exactly when Barry traveled there.

6 posted on 07/20/2009 9:35:59 AM PDT by Stars&StripesNE
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To: wac3rd
I posted this email last week.

I was told the statement below is incorrect

Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

I didn't verify it either way.

7 posted on 07/20/2009 9:37:17 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: wac3rd

PAKISTAN WAS NOT ON A U.S. NO TRAVEL LIST IN 1981.

That is false. It was so easy to travel to Pakistan as an American in 1981 that Pakistan was issuing 30-day visas to American citizens at their airports upon arrival in the country. The text of the 1981 U.S. State Department travel advisory can be found on the Internet and on various FR threads.


8 posted on 07/20/2009 9:37:48 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: wac3rd

ping


9 posted on 07/20/2009 9:37:51 AM PDT by mickidawn1969
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To: wac3rd
Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

I'm fairly certain thius has been fact-checked and shot down. I don't recall the exact name but in 1981 PAK was on a list of "hostile states" or terrorist states" and Americans were advised that travel there could be dangerous.

10 posted on 07/20/2009 9:38:07 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: wac3rd

” 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport. “

What passport did Obama use when he and Michelle left the USA
and temporarily moved to Indonesia in 1994 ?
Obama’s sister Maya Soetero-Ng told the NYT in 2008
that Barry needed a quiet place to finish his book.
Hawaii, the Rockies,
the coast of Maine and the Carolinas, Marco Island, Napa Valley, Santa Barbara,
Coronado Island and other US locales were apparently not peaceful enough.
So both Obamas packed up
and moved to Indonesia for a couple of months during the Clinton years.
It’s odd that Barry never talks about his lengthy time as an ex pat in Indonesia,
only when he was a kid.


11 posted on 07/20/2009 9:38:13 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: wac3rd

You know it’s too bad that the person that accessed his passport records was murdered in Washington DC.

We might be able to find out the truth.


12 posted on 07/20/2009 9:38:23 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: wac3rd

I would also like to know how Obummer financed his college education and if he enrolled as a foreign student.


13 posted on 07/20/2009 9:40:02 AM PDT by DFG (1 useless man is called a disgrace, 2 are called a law firm, 3 or more are called Congress)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

He had to go back in 94 to get his “orders” for the destruction of the U.S.


14 posted on 07/20/2009 9:41:41 AM PDT by Grumpybutt (We're witnessing/suffering through the 3rd terrorist attack and most don't even know it.)
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To: Stars&StripesNE

Still, actions prior to the inauguration might throw doubt on any US Passport that might be presented.

Some SOS wonks obtained access to passport accounts (one of which was Soetoro’s) and were disciplined/fired for it...IIRC.


15 posted on 07/20/2009 9:41:48 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: wac3rd

Add that word is out that Obama attended Occidental College as a foreign student with foreign student funding.

Subpoena Obama’s original long form birth certificate to prove natural born citizenship. Subpoena the COLB to compare it to the original birth certificate to determine forgery and coverup.

In addition, Obama’s camp admitted he had dual citizenship up until 1982 when British Kenyan Colony citizenship would have expired if he didn’t sware an oath to Kenya. Question, did Obama have Kenyan citizenship and where did he get Kenyan citizenship in the first place? Probably because he was born there as his grandmother states.


16 posted on 07/20/2009 9:42:54 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: wac3rd

“A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981. “

While being on a ‘no travel’ list, I don’t think it means he COULDN’T, but just SHOULDN’T.

“If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. “

Obama admits he had a dual citizenship until the age of 21, so he wouldn’t have had a BRITISH passport since Kenya wasn’t a british country when he was 20 and needed a passport.

Don’t know about the Indonesian passport.

However, we cannot have misinformation being put around or things that are irrelevant.

THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE ANSWERS MORE THAN THE PASSPORT since those can be explained away.


17 posted on 07/20/2009 9:43:25 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out)
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To: wac3rd

well, Let’s not forget that Kenya gained it’s independence in 1963.

It is possible that he was using a Kenyan passport


18 posted on 07/20/2009 9:44:21 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: DFG

I’m even more interested in the 30+ different Social Security numbers attached to the name “Barack Hussein Obama”.

I’ve also heard (second and third hand info so YMMV) that there are numerous SSNs for one “Barry Soetoro”.


19 posted on 07/20/2009 9:44:27 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: DFG

I seem to recall ‘senator’ obama stating in an interview that he didn’t obtain a passport until he became a senator ?

Can somebody with skill and tech savy check that ?


20 posted on 07/20/2009 9:45:09 AM PDT by maine yankee
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To: wac3rd

In terms of the passport issue it is not an either or argument.

He could easily have had two passports. I have friends who are dual citizens and they carry both


21 posted on 07/20/2009 9:47:22 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: wac3rd

I am not sure even if Pakistan was on a do not travel list that the State Dept can prevent someone from traveling to that country.

The better question might be what were Pakistan’s requirments at that time. I think pakistan tightly controlled who entered and who didn’t.IRRC it was limited to embassy people( of any country) and muslims.

Still Obama’s steadfast refusal does show he is hiding something. Something he felt would hurt him
It will come out


22 posted on 07/20/2009 9:48:29 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
So both Obamas packed up and moved to Indonesia for a couple of months during the Clinton years. It’s odd that Barry never talks about his lengthy time as an ex pat in Indonesia, only when he was a kid.

Had never heard that. Anyone know how long he stayed in Indonesia that time?

23 posted on 07/20/2009 9:49:22 AM PDT by Will88
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To: wac3rd

Ping


24 posted on 07/20/2009 9:49:28 AM PDT by Batman11 (Chicago, Land of Lincoln who freed the slaves and Land of Obama who enslaved the free.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Here’s the travel advisory number and the text of the document. Can we please put this Pakistan travel issue to rest?

“Before traveling to Pakistan, American Citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time per visa. Tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. Any traveler coming into Pakistan overland from India must repeat must have a valid visa, as 30 day visas are not repeat not issued at the overland border crossing point at Wagha.”
US State Department Travel Advisory for Pakistan in 1981, No. 81-33A


25 posted on 07/20/2009 9:50:22 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: wac3rd

Are you 100% sure that Pakistan was on the ‘no travel’ list in ‘81? I heard that same statement months ago, and some Freepers posted that that wasn’t true. Just wondering, thanks.


26 posted on 07/20/2009 9:53:44 AM PDT by joejm65
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To: wac3rd
You've stepped in obamanoid disinformation wrapped with legitimate questions:

"A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981."

It is so easy to refute that inserted bilge that the obamanoids get the tool of rejecting all the questions because one of the answers is idiotically easy to refute.

My oldest brother traveled to Pakistan in 1981 using an American passport, BUT he was stopped as soon as he entered the Pakistani airport and only a Pakistani sponsor showing up in person made it possible for him to enter the country and be involved in the ophthamological reason for the mission to which he was attached. There were State Department warnings regarding travel to Pakistan, but it was not on a State Department 'no travel' list. The other parts of the essay are quite relevant, however, so don't be deterred by the planted lie.

[ obamanoid = obama annoyance droids ]

27 posted on 07/20/2009 9:53:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wac3rd

“Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.”

Unfortunately, this part of the email is incorrect. I researched Pakistan travel in 1981. This is what I came up with:

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf

The only travel BAN I have ever heard about was the one for Cuba. I hate to be a thorn in your side, but this information needs to be corrected.


28 posted on 07/20/2009 9:55:53 AM PDT by OhioBuckeye ("Here sir, the people govern." - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: wac3rd

BTW, forwarding this to everyone you can IS THE EXACT STRATEGY THE AXELROD ASTROTURFING SCHEME USES TO REFUTE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS BY REFUTING THE PLANTED LIE AMONG THE GRAINS OF TRUTH. Don’t help the sonofabitch.


29 posted on 07/20/2009 9:56:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wac3rd

His mother was in Pakistan when he visited. Working for Ford Foundation? What passport was she using?

Few more questions:

Did Stanley Dunham-Soetero’s passport show she traveled abroad at or about the time of his birth in 1961? Why did one of her friends receive a visit from her in Washington State, with a newborn baby whose diaper she did not know how to change?

Why does the Honolulu newspaper birth announcement for Obama list an address at which no member of his family (including BO senior) ever lived?

Does Obama’s SSN indicate it was issued in Connecticut?

Who recommended his admittance and then paid Obama’s tuition at Harvard?


30 posted on 07/20/2009 9:57:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: real_patriotic_american
Add that word is out that Obama attended Occidental College as a foreign student with foreign student funding.

That was an April Fool's Day Hoax on the Internet.

Question, did Obama have Kenyan citizenship and where did he get Kenyan citizenship in the first place?

Yes, Obama obtained Kenyan citizenship by virtue of his British citizenship (at birth) when Kenya obtained independence from Britain.

31 posted on 07/20/2009 9:58:49 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: wac3rd
Don't forget Geithner’s father, Peter and his connection Obozo's mother through the Ford Foundation, a New World Order operation.

Peter Geithner oversaw the "microfinance" programs developed in Indonesia by Ann Dunham-Soetoro.

World travel for Obozo was probably made easy, and with TurboTax Timmy in office now, people should be smelling the stink of something very bad.

32 posted on 07/20/2009 9:59:51 AM PDT by IrishPennant (RLT = Radical Left Terrorism...feel it????)
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To: wac3rd

Or you could just ask him where his Birthplace Museum should be built.

OR you could go locate any Islamic Conferences between 1981 and 1991 and find out if Barry Dunham/Soetoro/Obama attended any of them.


33 posted on 07/20/2009 10:00:58 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I believe in CHOICE: Let the Fetus decide whether to be born or to spontaneously abort. FETAL CHOICE)
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To: wac3rd
Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

I believe that the 'No' response is incorrect.

34 posted on 07/20/2009 10:01:04 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Obama has not proven natural born citizenship and is thus ineligible to serve as President. I’m happy that Orly Taitz is leading a strong legal drive in having the government enforce the Constitution.


35 posted on 07/20/2009 10:01:04 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

“Some SOS wonks obtained access to passport accounts (one of which was Soetoro’s) and were disciplined/fired for it...IIRC.” The man whose company employee accessed to sanitize Barry’s passport files is now the security adviser for Barry in the WHite House. An investigation involving one Lt Quarles was squelched when Quarles was murdered in Chicago ... the crime is now in the inactive files, not being solved or followed.


36 posted on 07/20/2009 10:01:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
What passport did Obama use when he and Michelle left the USA and temporarily moved to Indonesia in 1994 ?

Was there an Islamic Conference in Indonesia in 1994?
37 posted on 07/20/2009 10:03:24 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I believe in CHOICE: Let the Fetus decide whether to be born or to spontaneously abort. FETAL CHOICE)
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To: usmcobra

I heard he had lead poisoning and his death occurred when he stopped breathing.

Apparently not breathing can cause death.


38 posted on 07/20/2009 10:04:53 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: OhioBuckeye

It’s been corrected already. To me, a more pertinent question would be, “WHY did he go to Pakistan?” I can see a young man wanting to travel the world, but why the cesspool of Pakistan?


39 posted on 07/20/2009 10:07:36 AM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: silverleaf

Oh...his mother was in Pak? What on earth has that woman unleashed on our country?


40 posted on 07/20/2009 10:12:06 AM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks...

That’s some disciplinary action, huh?


41 posted on 07/20/2009 10:13:21 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: WVNan

Not only was his mother working in Pakistan (which is where she was at stage of life when her cancer was diagnosed), it appears her Ford Foundation project supervisor was - Turbotax Timmy Geithner’s father.

small world, eh


42 posted on 07/20/2009 10:14:51 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: real_patriotic_american
I have never disputed the fact that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen. I've been a staunch advocate of this cause since before I joined Free Republic.

The fact that I have issues with Orly Taitz has nothing to do with this post. However, since you brought it up. Orly Taitz still claims in her legal filings with every lawsuit that Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 when Pakisan was on a U.S. State Department "no travel" list. That is patently false, yet she refuses to remove the assertion. It makes her look foolish and does damage to our objective because the defense has only to point out that error to the judge for him/her to question Taitz's competence as an attorney.

I always point out false claims regarding the natural-born citizen issue when it is necessary. Doing so does not make me an anti-birther or a troll. The false claims serve as a tool to destroy the entire foundation of our arguments. Because if we're errant in two or three assertions, it is easy for others to dismiss all of our assertions. While I don't enjoy the heated arguments or the being labeled as a "troll" by some fellow birthers, I believe it's important enought that I'm willing to put up with the crap.

I'm very sorry that you're offended by my aversion to some of Orly's tactics. We have a difference of opinion where she is concerned. You may not realize it or accept it, but we're on the same side.

43 posted on 07/20/2009 10:17:46 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: usmcobra

Interesting. Do you have a link to that story?


44 posted on 07/20/2009 10:18:13 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport and school records.)
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To: usmcobra

Is that true?


45 posted on 07/20/2009 10:18:41 AM PDT by wac3rd (80 Carter/Obama 08)
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To: MHGinTN

MH do you have a link to more info on the passport story?


46 posted on 07/20/2009 10:19:44 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport and school records.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’m reading your comments as public relations for Obama. The Democrats and media are terrified of Orly Taitz because she is effective and has a case.


47 posted on 07/20/2009 10:37:13 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: real_patriotic_american

Then you’re an idiot.


48 posted on 07/20/2009 10:38:45 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: MHGinTN

I knew the contractors had been fired, but I didn’t know one of them was murdered. Are you saying that the employer of the “passort” contractors now works for Obama? Really? That’s BIG news.


49 posted on 07/20/2009 10:44:14 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; real_patriotic_american

To clarify, you’re an idiot if you think I am defending Obama or engagin in public relations on his behalf.

You’re not an idiot for support Orly Taitz. Yes, she has some good cases. It’s her methods that bother me. Yes, she’s effective. I had not thought so prior to reading that Lou Dobbs is actually asking real questions about NBC. That progress is due in whole because of Orly Tait’s tenacity. So, I’ll certainly retract any previously statements about her doing more harm than good. When I’m wrong, I always admit it.


50 posted on 07/20/2009 10:48:49 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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