Posted on 07/27/2009 11:12:35 AM PDT by Danae
Ok here is a theory.
To preface what follows, I was born in Hawaii in 1969. I have both my long form BC and my COLB from that state.
My COLB was printed for me at my mothers request in a letter that was received (and confirmed by computer records by the Vital Stats office in the Hawaiian Dept of Health in Honolulu) and my COLB that I received should have had the date of Mar.6 2000. It states Mar. 6 2007 (!).
Stick with me through what follows.
Lets just say that in 2007 when Barry was really getting into running for President that he was facing some questions from the black community, which was indeed the case. The question in the black community was this: Is he black enough? Barry is 50% white, 44% Arab and 6% Black from the breakdown that I have repeatedly seen. So the black community isn’t sure they can support this guy because he is half white, and we have all heard the condescension that Black people have given to mulatto children. Certainly in my lifetime I can remember some rather racist black kids riding the mulatto kids I knew. Barry is most definitely Mulatto.
Ok so he has a problem with convincing the Black community to support him, and he NEEDS their support, and that of ACORN, the two go hand in hand.
So, Barry goes back to Hawaii on vacation, visits grandma. Grandma is VERY well connected in Honolulu. You don’t get to the position of VP of Hawaii’s largest bank and NOT be connected. In Hawaii connections are everything. With connections, you can do just about anything, a favor is a favor, and Grandma likely had more than just a few to pull in. Thats just how the islands work. I am not going to try and explain it more than that, it would take too long. But I have connected family on Kauai to this day, so let’s just stipulate that I know what I am talking about.
Back to the story. Barry needs to solidly convince a lot of Black people that he has the creds to run from the Black community, to counter his detractors on the whole Black enough issue.
A COLB stating African would do that pretty convincingly. Grandma pulls a few strings and gets Barry a COLB that states African, and is actually a real document from the State of Hawaii because it indeed came from there, but under some false circumstances. Mainly that his race was African, when clearly it wasn’t, he had a White Mother. If anything, original COLB would have said Negro or Black. That might not be enough to counter the white half of his genetic make up in the Black Community, but stating “AFRICAN” WOULD. But I don’t think hid long form says Negro or Black, I think it classifies him as Caucasian.
So it is a “legit” document that was printed under false circumstances. I am theorizing that it was printed by someone in the Vital Statistics Office, but as my OWN COLB shows, by the messed up date, that anyone who knew how to do it could have printed one up with the information of choice, then put the seal on it folded it, and sent it on its way. The Date stamp on the Fact Check Document has the date stamp above Onaka’s name, which could only have been printed in the snail mail order room, like mine is. It is ALSO a separate room. There are three printing Machines in that office which could have been used, the front desk, which has a date stamper to the Side of Onaka’s stamp (also printed by the machines at the same time as the rest of the Document is printed), and the internet order area, which also has the stamp to the side, and the oldest machine, which has the date ABOVE Onaka’s stamp. Now I know this because while I was confirming the order date of my own COLB I did a little digging, and the clerk was very informative and helpful. Obama got a COLB that was printed in the Mail Order’s separate room. If it was ordered at the front desk, then it would have been printed there, not in the snail mail room, unless someone was going to change some of the info on it and wanted to conceal that...
Now is the date on the back of the fact check document on or about the same as one of his vacations to the Islands? I was told that it can take up to a month to process orders, but I think he likely got it handed to him on or about the same time he or Grandma ordered it. In reality that doesn’t matter, Grandma could have pulled strings at any time and had it mailed to him.
Now, because the COLB that Barry has is legit looking, all he has to do is make sure his Long Form Birth Certificate NEVER sees the light of day, and that his school records and financial aid applications never see the light of day either. Why? Because his Long form would say that he is Caucasian, and his school records/financial aid, under his Barry Soetoro name show him to be a foreigner from Indonesia. I could go into the whole Immigration status thing, which I do think has some validity to it, and certainly has not been looked at by a Court AS OF YET, so I will leave that alone for now, it could well be he is a citizen, but because of dual citizenship issues, he is not a Natural Born citizen.
But I digress.
OK so he now has his Black enough Street creds, and a “legit” COLB, he should be in the clear right? Only if you assume that the COLB he has was gotten in 2007 was 100% legit, and I have proof that a COLB can have incorrect information in it - Because MINE DOES.
Some time ago, I remember reading that Barry’s lawyer that had seen the document said that he was indeed born in Hawaii, but that his records contained information that would be “embarrassing”. Is Caucasian embarrassing enough? Is lying to the Black Community enough? Is gaining their support with a lie embarrassing enough? Do you think it possible that once this information became public, with the release of a Long Form BC stating he was Caucasian, that the black community would become apathetic to him in part or in whole?
Add to this, Barry describes his grandmother as the rock of his family, as well as describing her as “afraid of Black men”, do you think that she, with her connections, her strength of charachter, and a wayward 17 year old daughter having shown some poor decision making in the recent past from Grandma’s perspective, could have required that her daughter state the race of her child as accurately being predominately white, which he is? I do indeed think so.
Folks, I think that Barry may well have been born in Hawaii, solid evidence of some other place being missing, that he was registered with the office of Vital Statistics as being Caucasian. He states in his book that he HAD all his birth records at one time, why would he need a new COLB in 2007 if that’s the case? Because he needed one that would gain him the support of the Black Community, and indeed they got a real live “African” even better!!
So if this theory is true, do you think that come 2011 that the black community is going to be as fired up about their lying Mulatto pretending to “African” status? Ummm hummmm.
Do you think they would have supported him as strongly as they did in 2008 as a mostly white guy?? As the messiah? As the ONE? I don’t think so. I could be wrong on that... But I don’t think so. Perceptions matter sometimes, and there is a world of difference in perceiving Barry as African and White. All the difference in the world to the Black Community, enough to win the Presidency.
Remember, he only won by a few percentage points. His electoral numbers came from fewer total states that had higher numbers of Blacks in the population.
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Tear the theory apart please!
That’s what I understood it to be from. Happened during the Slave Trade with coastal African tribes inland tribes taking out rival tribes and Arab slave traders. I am not well versed in African History I admit... though I could take a class in that from AMU, in which I am sure I would learn a lot...
I think you should send it. Whatever is on the long form would blow things up is for sure with spending over $1M to keep it quiet. Same with the college records if he was on a foreign student scholarship — it would blow up.
Thanks for the info!
If you've been a regular poster around here since 2000, BC and COLB should mean as much to you as FBI and POTUS.
If you haven't been a regular poster/reader, maybe you could ask nicely, as you are the one who is uninformed.
If you've been a regular poster around here since 2000, BC and COLB should mean as much to you as FBI and POTUS.
If you haven't been a regular poster/reader, maybe you could ask nicely, as you are the one who is uninformed.
There were arabs involved in the slave trade in Africa, and this is speculated to be the source. But I am no expert in African history and I will be the first to admit that. I am only using information I have seen repeatedly. That being said, he still had a problem with being black enough. Certainly in Illinois, as his previous political campaign revealed in his loss.
My theory was that it was "father unknown" or "bastard", depending on how Hawaii phrased it in those days, and the trouble started when the grandparents tried to manufacture a marriage for their daughter to give her little illegitimate baby at least the fictitious appearance of legitimacy. Hence the lack of a marriage license, odd newspaper announcements without any of the usual information, conflicting addresses, etc. Hence, perhaps, a quickie uncontested divorce without any inquiry into the circumstances of a marriage that never took place.
But it makes at least as much sense for BO's grandparents to have tried to get him the opportunity to "pass" as Caucasian, given the times and the scandal that would have ensued otherwise.
And of course that would have backfired more recently, although nobody at the time ever imagined in their wildest dreams that BO would be running for president some day, largely on the basis of his actual racial heritage. . . . .
“Remember, he only won by a few percentage points. His electoral numbers came from fewer total states that had higher numbers of Blacks in the population.”
If they counted the vote by who won EACH COUNTY in the country, he wouldn’t be there and all this whole mess wouldn’t have happened. But it has and we must persevere!
“but Obama Sr. surely was mostly Arab.”
He was never Arab and you can’t prove he was Arab. Someone told you that and you just believed it without question.
“There were arabs involved in the slave trade in Africa, and this is speculated to be the source.”
It’s irrelevant though. His ancestory stays in Africa. One of the descendents(Obama’s grandfather) converted from Christianity to Islam.
I think the race pimps, such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, resented Obama as a usurper of their role. However, for ordinary blacks and many libtard whites he was plenty black enough.
Jesse takes umbrage at "Barack talkin' down to black people"
In a main branch, there may be an abundance of vice presidents.
I remember when I got my first business loans from the [now-defunct] National Bank of Washington, it seemed that every other person to whom I was introduced was a vice president. My then-business partner and I would joke that the only folks there who weren't vice presidents were the cleaning crew.
Like I said, I don't mean to minimize the position - it's a pretty good one - but it doesn't place one near the pinnacle of society in most larger venues.
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http://www.freebase.com/view/en/barack_obama_sr
And this:
Every ancestor on his father’s side has an Arabic name, because his father was officially classified as “Arab African” by the Kenyan government.
100% African tribal members of western Kenya where his father was born have Christian names, not Arabic. His father’s decision to name him with an Arabic name is a matter of his father establishing his ethnic identity in Africa - it is done deliberately to ethnically separate from the African tribes. Researching his roots reveal that on his father’s side, he is descended from Arab slave traders. They operated under an extended grant from Queen Victoria, who gave them the right to continue the slave trade in exchange for helping the British defeat the Madhi Army in southern Sudan and the Upper Nile region. Funny how circular is history; now the British again face the Madhi Army, albeit this time Shiite, not Sunni, as in nineteenth century Sudan.
So, no one told me! I can find more information if you would like? I read a lot!
As I have been thinking about this, something occurs to me... all the nudie shots of Ann Duhnam in the possession of Frank Marshal. It does not seem logical to me that he would get those pictures on some sort of a fluke, particularly if they were taken in his house... be that as it may, I think Ann was perhaps attracted to black men, certainly she was not at all repulsed, and why should she be? Personality and other personal characteristics are a lot more important to me than skin color, but then I grew up in Hawaii as a white Haole and so I look at race issues from a different perspective than some. Certainly I have a different one than Stanley Ann Dunham’s mom did.
Major error: The baby’s race is not listed on the COLB.
Also, whatever point you made about 2000 vs. 2007 on your COLB is not coming through in what you began your piece with.
Yep. My friend did not equivocate in the least. She said that Black people did NOT see him as black enough. Not sort of thought that, she said that they absolutely thought that.
I would guess each parent’s race would be entered separately on the birth certificate. Barack’s mother would be listed as “Caucasian” and his father perhaps as “Negro,” perhaps as “African.” But I really doubt they would have called the baby “Caucasian” when he obviously wasn’t entirely of white ancestry, however they would have put it (”mulatto”?).
“Every ancestor on his father’s side has an Arabic name,”
Completely and totally false. When was the last time you saw someone with an “Arabic” name? Arabs give their kids Muslim names. Obama’s name is MUSLIM, not Arabic.
The nutbags who wrote this stuff couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. They don’t even know the difference between Arabic and Muslim
YOu can’t just look at the overall Nation, you have to look at the states where the vote was really close. There were several that were just a couple thousand votes or far less that decided an entire states electoral vote. You have to look at the numbers state by state and I am betting that in at least a couple of cases, they tipped Obama over the edge. Some of the NE states and one or two others were really close. It could have been a factor. Certainly it is widely believed, correctly that the overwhelming black support put Obama over the top. That’s not something that anyone can deny, it totally did. If McCain had gotten even 6% of the black vote, it may have changed the outcome in some states, whether or not that would have changed the eventual outcome I don’t know. I don’t have the numbers to be able to say.
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