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1 posted on 07/30/2009 8:35:26 PM PDT by Edward Watson
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I personally am not holding my breath over this issue....

but I'm not holding my breath that the truth about TWA800 or Oklahoma city will ever come out....

maybe there all urban myth or legend....

but until zero produces his authentic birth certificate, then the issue is fair game....

why is okay for millions to be "truthers" or to disbelieve the Holocaust or the landing on the moon, yet legitimate questions like a persons place of birth are scoffed at?

232 posted on 07/30/2009 10:07:45 PM PDT by cherry
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What evidence do you have that Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii? Were you there? Can you name a single living witness to the birth?


246 posted on 07/30/2009 10:17:09 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Bite me. You buy the crap they’re selling. Just asking for the same document they ask for when I enroll my kid into Kindergarten.

Between the GOP and the professional blathering class, I haven’t seen a plan for how to get us out of this mess, for taking back Congress, etc.

It’s only a constitutional requirement. If you had a small straight, I’d believe you when you said you drew an ace, but I’d ask to see the hole card just the same.


286 posted on 07/30/2009 10:36:08 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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Ed, you FOOL. How DARE you suggest that Gore didn’t really win Florida!
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Ed, you FOOL. How dare you suggest that Øbama’s not an illegitimate candidate for an office he’s already held for 6 months! Don’t you know that being a “birther” is now in the FR TOS? How does it feel to be in the SAME ranks as other turncoat RINOS like Ann Coulter, Laura Ingrahm, Hugh Hewitt and Michael Medved—buncha LIBERALS!

/SARC


288 posted on 07/30/2009 10:36:59 PM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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The entire birther argument, that Obama was actually born in Kenya instead of the US

You opened your vanity with a falsehood, and it went down hill from there.

A) We're not "birthers." We're constitutionalists.

B) Our primary "argument" from day one has not been that he was born in Kenya. It has been that he has not proven he was born in the US, which, to be natural born as the Constitution requires to be President, he must have been, since according to our laws in 1961 his mother was not of sufficient age to transmit citizenship to a son sired by a foreign national.

302 posted on 07/30/2009 10:39:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Just say NO to national socialism!)
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I agree with most of your sentiments, but this one I disagree with:

Not one of us would've looked harder at his legitimacy than Hilary Clinton and the entire Clinton smear machine during the Democratic primaries. That magic bullet would've given Hilary the presidency - and yet nada, bupkis.

This is the same Hillary Clinton that didn't raise the Jeremiah Wright issue, at all, to my understanding. That issue wasn't raised except by Hannity and some folks at Newsmax, and it didn't 'break' into the MSM until, IIRC, Hannity came across the video, after Obama had already won Super Tuesday.

Which tells me two things:

1.) She didn't know about it.

2.) She was afraid that using it would potentially alienate black voters, either in the primaries or the general election, and didn't want to risk it.

IMO, the Wright videos could have completely sunk Obama had they come out in Oct-Nov '07, but at what cost to black support for Hillary? Black voters might have been galvanized to Obama earlier than they were, which might have been fine for Hillary had it turned Obama into 'the token black candidate,' but those same black voters might have been so galvanized against Hillary that they would have sat out the general election.

So, I think you can apply either of the above two points to the birther theory, as well. Hillary was in the position of having to beat Obama in terms of policy, or not at all, else it would have cost her key support later on.
304 posted on 07/30/2009 10:40:54 PM PDT by MitchellC
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The entire birther argument, that Obama was actually born in Kenya instead of the US, making him ineligible for holding the office of the President of the US, is a spurious argument.

'Spurious', how? Please explain your position that 0bama is above the US Constitution and privileged over any other US president on this matter.

307 posted on 07/30/2009 10:41:51 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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When the Democrats get tired of this FASCIST,
they'll DEMAND the investigation and release of the Kenyan Birth Certificate.


315 posted on 07/30/2009 10:43:47 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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Well now, I don’t actually have to believe he was born in Kenya to want to see all the vital information including the long form birth certificate, because I am from MISSOURI-see. Just show me-p.s. I’d like to see the college records, medical records,passports, etc. etc. etc.

Besides, there are times when Americans have to show their long form certificates are there not? Why shouldn’t our #1 public servant do the same for his job? Its the “fairness doctrine” (doncha know).


578 posted on 07/31/2009 2:53:18 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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When you ask a question that has a yes or no how does that make you a kook? So we ask questions in court about our government any more? Thanks so much communist.


580 posted on 07/31/2009 3:00:54 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama's lies make Bill Clinton's lie small)
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Just as soon as I see the legitimate documentation.


581 posted on 07/31/2009 3:40:05 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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Democrats are knowed for their industriousness and technical competentence.

(not)


582 posted on 07/31/2009 3:44:56 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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Yes, this argument sounds soooo familiar.

I seem to remember before the election it was “Let’s beat him on the issues”. How’s that working out for us?


593 posted on 07/31/2009 5:49:37 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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Kenya is not the only issue. Go educate yourself before posting cr$p.
594 posted on 07/31/2009 5:50:59 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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Sounds like you fell for O’Reilly and Bernie Goldberg’s analysis of the situation on Tuesday night...

There isn’t any other issue in the country except this one that could so easily be solved.


605 posted on 07/31/2009 7:12:30 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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Dems are starting to score points off this issue. Might be time to back off unless we’ve got something new - remember it was a Hillary site that got this rumor started in the first place...


640 posted on 07/31/2009 9:18:11 AM PDT by GOPJ (Maldives sea levels have NOT risen in 1250 years -Professor Nils-Axel Moerner)
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Who are you? Its bad enough that the government is going to tell us how to wipe our butts now I have to listen to a so called freeper tell me what to think take a hike unless you have proof step aside. Why dont you start with telling your local representatives to stop taking your freedoms away instead of treading on our movement to find the truth..


642 posted on 07/31/2009 9:20:52 AM PDT by Three if by government
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I thought you were Canadian. When did you move to Texas?


657 posted on 07/31/2009 9:47:03 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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Your FR home page has the following quote: "All the problems of the world could be settled easily if men were only willing to think. The trouble is that men very often resort to all sorts of devices in order not to think, because thinking is such hard work."

You would do well to follow the words that inspired your FR screen name. The entire birther controversy is not singly defined by the idea that Obama was born outside of Hawaii. A great many birthers stipulate that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a U.S. citizen, but is not a natural-born citizen as required by the Constitution.

The issue regarding Obama's eligibility cannot be solved by the production of a long-form birth certificate from Hawaii or a statement affirming his natural-born citizenship from an official in Hawaii who has no Constitutional authority to designate anyone as a natural-born citizen.

Start here. Then do the hard work of thinking through it.

668 posted on 07/31/2009 10:12:44 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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I may accept a notion. I won’t accept a ‘fact’, since a fact is verifiable by definition. Obama’s birthplace has not been verified through the release of official documentation. That is ALL I’m after.

I’m not goofy about it — I just want the President of the United States to do what I have to do if I want a Federal job.

By the way, how many Freepers who deride the birthers were among those screaming for John Kerry to release his military records?


717 posted on 07/31/2009 11:33:29 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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