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How House Bill Runs Over Grandma
IBD Editorials ^ | July 31, 2009 | INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY Staff

Posted on 07/31/2009 5:11:12 PM PDT by Kaslin

Rationing: In the recesses of the House health care "reform" bill is a provision for end-of-life counseling for seniors. Don't worry, granny, they're from the government and they're here to help.


At a town hall meeting at AARP headquarters in Washington, D.C., President Obama was asked by a woman from North Carolina if it was true "that everyone that's Medicare age will be visited and told they have to decide how they wish to die."

At first, the president joked that not enough government workers existed to ask the elderly how they wanted to die. The idea, he said, was to encourage the use of living wills and that critics were misrepresenting the intent of the "end of life" counseling provided for in the House bill. He did not say, "No, they wouldn't be contacted."

This administration, pledging to cut medical costs and for which "cost-effectiveness" is a new mantra, knows that a quarter of Medicare spending is made in a patient's final year of life. Certainly the British were aware when they nationalized their medical system.

The controlling of medical costs in countries such as Britain through rationing, and the health consequences thereof are legendary. The stories of people dying on a waiting list or being denied altogether read like a horror movie script.

The U.K.'s National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) basically figures out who deserves treatment by using a cost-utility analysis based on the "quality adjusted life year."

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1 posted on 07/31/2009 5:11:12 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: bareford101; BerniesFriend; blaveda; Bookwoman; Celeste732; dsc; FrdmLvr; FreedomPoster; ...

2 posted on 07/31/2009 5:12:11 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

NEITHER THE RAT CONGRESS NOR THE RAT TOTUS WILL BE RATIONED ON THEIR CARE! GRRRRRRRRRRR!


3 posted on 07/31/2009 5:14:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: Kaslin
Please President Obama, don't kill my Grandma,leave her alone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qOW__TneAY

4 posted on 07/31/2009 5:14:55 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Kaslin

"Mass. Pushes Rationing to Control Universal Healthcare Costs (RomneyCare)
A 10-member Massachusetts state healthcare advisory board unanimously recommended
that the state begin rationing healthcare to keep the state’s marquee universal health care program afloat financially.

The July 16 recommendations, the Boston Globe explained, would result in a situation where “patients could find it harder to get procedures they want but are of questionable benefit if doctors are operating within a budget.
And they might find it more difficult to get care wherever they want, if primary doctors push to keep patients within their accountable care organization.”
The Globe stressed that the recommendations would “dramatically change how doctors and hospitals are paid, essentially putting providers on a budget as a way to control exploding healthcare costs and improve the quality of care.”
"Budget" is a more politically acceptable word for rationing.
The Globe also noted that “consumer advocates said patients are going to have to be educated about the new system.” Yes, apparently they will have to get used to having their healthcare rationed.


5 posted on 07/31/2009 5:15:02 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Kaslin

Would that be a typical white women gramma?


6 posted on 07/31/2009 5:15:14 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom ;))
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To: Kaslin

Hussein Obama’s rationed, CommieCare is starting to make me feel like Edward G. Robinson.


7 posted on 07/31/2009 5:16:46 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop the DemocRATS' War On America!)
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To: Kaslin

Grandma got run over by Obama, walking home from our house Christmas Eve...


8 posted on 07/31/2009 5:17:38 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: Kaslin

bttt.... Anyone have the score card for this test?


9 posted on 07/31/2009 5:18:50 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: rabidralph

You know this is nothing to joke about


10 posted on 07/31/2009 5:20:20 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: rabidralph

It’s not Christmas without Grandma.
All the family’s dressed in black.
And we just can’t help but wonder:
Should we open up her gifts or send them back?


11 posted on 07/31/2009 5:20:38 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Kaslin
"that everyone that's Medicare age will be visited and told they have to decide how they wish to die."

That way, the government gets to keep their "unused" 50 years worth of Social Security money.

It's the MONEY, honey.

12 posted on 07/31/2009 5:20:47 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Kaslin

Yes, I do, but I am incorrigible.


13 posted on 07/31/2009 5:28:15 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: concerned about politics

Putting a price tag on everyone’s existence, how sad is that?


14 posted on 07/31/2009 5:31:08 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Kaslin; metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; ...

==The U.K.’s National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) basically figures out who deserves treatment by using a cost-utility analysis based on the “quality adjusted life year.”

Sound familiar? It should...

Britain’s N.I.C.E. Think Tank Not So Nice - C.S. Lewis’ Prophesy Comes Eerily True

http://opentheword.org/hilary-white/730-britains-nice-think-tank-not-so-nice-cs-lewis-prophesy-comes-eerily-true


15 posted on 07/31/2009 5:32:38 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: rabidralph

Well we have to laugh, this is horrifying to contemplate. Next step is bonuses for the clerks, bounties, as we pile up


16 posted on 07/31/2009 5:32:44 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Kaslin
Come on, wadda you old folks complaining about? Don't you know the democRATS "love" you old people? Obama DEATH CARE is wonderful! Besides, all you old and infirm folks have got to clear the playing field for the Obamessiahs legions of up and coming liberal generations.

What did you think was going to happen? YOU senior citizens overwhelmingly voted Obamessiah into power, YOU voted the democRATS into power in the house and senate. YOU wanted "hope" and "change" and sought it from a man that you knew was a socialist, marxist, anti-American, "Afro-centric", "Reverand Wright" black racist whos best friends are domestic terrorists.

Now that the democRATS are in TOTAL power and "in control" you need to do as your told; support Obama DEATH Care and OBEY the Obamessiah! So shut up, lie down, take this pill and DIE so that Obama can continue to make his "brave new world" WITHOUT YOU because your old and infirm and you COST TOO MUCH TO KEEP AROUND ANY LONGER!

17 posted on 07/31/2009 5:35:47 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (tot)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Putting a price tag on everyone’s existence, how sad is that?

The baby boomers are a huge voting block for the democrats, but they'll be gone soon. They're going to have to buy votes from another block to replace them - the illegal immigrant vote........watch for amnesty.

18 posted on 07/31/2009 5:37:12 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

Hey, he is trying to solve the SS problem - give him a break! I mean, he treats his old relatives with the same respect.


19 posted on 07/31/2009 5:39:26 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: 1000 silverlings
Simply put....

The "unused" Social Security from the dead elderly (who's votes are going to have to be replaced because the baby boomer's are many, and are on their way out) will buy health care for illegal immigrants.

The "free" health care for illegals will set the stage for another huge voting block to replace the baby boomers once the amnesty bill (coming next) is passed.

20 posted on 07/31/2009 5:44:11 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Jmouse007

It is too bad that the oldsters are beyond the message you are giving. They have about a five minute attention span, then repeat, and repeat, and repeat...


21 posted on 07/31/2009 5:45:32 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: Kaslin

IBD has the most interesting editorials....


22 posted on 07/31/2009 5:46:27 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Kaslin

I have to admit that was the first jingle I thought of when I saw this thread.

“Grandma got run over by Obama...”


23 posted on 07/31/2009 5:49:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: GregoryFul

Not all of them. My in-laws and parents are in their 80s and they did not vote for Obambi.


24 posted on 07/31/2009 5:52:39 PM PDT by indyhome
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To: Kaslin
Here's my humble attempt at helping everyone understand what this bill is really intended to accomplish. DemocratHealthPlan copy
25 posted on 07/31/2009 5:56:34 PM PDT by ConservativeAtLast
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To: ConservativeAtLast

Cute...


26 posted on 07/31/2009 6:02:08 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: concerned about politics
but they'll be gone soon

well if the killers have their way, they will, but a baby boomer can be a tricky sort and live to be a hundred or more if she stays away from Obamacare. In fact, older people are living longer than ever, thanks to the care and diet, etc they get now.

However, I agree with you

27 posted on 07/31/2009 6:03:34 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Kaslin

“At first, the president joked that not enough government workers existed to ask the elderly how they wanted to die.”

If this bill passes, there soon WILL BE enough govt workers.


28 posted on 07/31/2009 6:08:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Kaslin

What criteria will be used to decide if patient A or patient B gets the pill and the other gets surgery? The possibility for abuse and craziness is endless. Will a Muslim clerk deny a Jewish person? Will a Christian deny a Muslim? A gay guy( ala that Paris Hilton thing) routinely deny women, and a married clerk kill singles?More likely, will the drug addled little creep in charge of the files just go eenny meeny miney mo, I’m going to Starbucks? This thing has not, you know darn well, been thought thru, much less read.


29 posted on 07/31/2009 6:09:51 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Kaslin

The first ACORN member that comes on my porch to tutor me on how to die had better be fast on his/her feet.


30 posted on 07/31/2009 6:12:34 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: 1000 silverlings
However, I agree with you

Those who will be denied medical services and given end of life services are those who are eligible for medicare - 65.
That means as soon as someone reaches retirement age, the democrats are going to expedite their death.

Presto. The politicians get to keep all their SS money, pay for illegals health care, and guarantee their vote after the amnesty bill passes.

It's criminal. The voters need to hear this. They'll be on the expendable list themselves someday, too.

31 posted on 07/31/2009 6:16:16 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics
It's criminal It's criminal It's criminal

Can't be said enough, and it's pure EVIL

32 posted on 07/31/2009 6:18:22 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Kaslin
Grandma got run over by a House Bill.

Cooked up late on Recess Eve.

You can say there's no such thing as Santa

But Grandma was a Dem so she believed.

33 posted on 07/31/2009 6:22:38 PM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: Jmouse007

Not all of us voted for Obama. Some of us have an understanding of history.


34 posted on 07/31/2009 6:31:28 PM PDT by spaced
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To: rabidralph
Grandma got run over by Obama, walking home from our house Christmas Eve...

Grandma got run over by ObamaCare, walking home from our house Christmas Eve...

35 posted on 07/31/2009 6:32:59 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: concerned about politics

“Those who will be denied medical services and given end of life services are those who are eligible for medicare - 65.
That means as soon as someone reaches retirement age, the democrats are going to expedite their death.”

Does anyone here remember the old SF movie Logan’s Run? The age will be upped, but fiction is becoming a twisted reality.


36 posted on 07/31/2009 6:35:30 PM PDT by spaced
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To: spaced

I understand, sadly the overwhelming majority did and now they find themselves at the head of Obamessiah’s Death Care “hit list”. They: the old and infirm will be the first to go in Obamessiah’s “brave new world”: they cost the most with the least amount of “return on investment” as the Obamessiah views things and the “economy”.


37 posted on 07/31/2009 6:51:23 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (tot)
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To: Kaslin
knows that a quarter of Medicare spending is made in a patient's final year of life.

Its kind of hard to tell when a person's final year of life occurs until the person dies. Obamacare will solve that problem.

38 posted on 07/31/2009 6:53:15 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Kaslin
HEALTHCARE 1

39 posted on 07/31/2009 7:01:59 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Kaslin

40 posted on 07/31/2009 7:02:44 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
PG 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any “Quality measure” of HealthCare Services as they see fit.

PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services & Dialysis Services.

PG 525-620 deals with the Government basically taking over nursing homes,

PGs 525-620 deals with the Govt basically taking over nursing homes,long-term care facilities (think assisted living) through regulations of the facilities, the owners of sd facilities, the employees of sd facilities and even the land owners of that sd facilities reside on. Additionally as you read these 90+ pages you can come to the conclusion that any Health related svcs will be determined and rationed by the Govt for our senior citizens and others in nursing homes. This one post should do enough to raise awareness of the control the Govt is exerting over the older population of American citizens.

PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes & functional status of patients.

41 posted on 07/31/2009 7:07:19 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: mware

The reality is that Social Security and Medicare are both Ponzi schemes that are going to go broke as baby boomers retire and become elderly.

Baraqqicare will only make this worse.

But no baby boomer (unless quite wealthy like a typical US Senator) should expect world class medical care as they become elderly. This country is broke and can’t afford it. Our grandchildren are already overburdened with debt we have borrowed.


42 posted on 07/31/2009 7:10:06 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Kaslin

Please add me to your Investors Business Daily Ping list. Thanks.


43 posted on 07/31/2009 7:26:19 PM PDT by GOPJ (Destroy cars to stop nonexistant global warming & tax citizens $4,500 each time? Crazy.)
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To: concerned about politics

BTTT


44 posted on 07/31/2009 7:33:38 PM PDT by freednumb (Health care?/ Shmealth care!! It's no care for the infirm or the old...ie only the well)
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To: nascarnation

BTTT


45 posted on 07/31/2009 7:35:38 PM PDT by freednumb (Health care?/ Shmealth care!! It's no care for the infirm or the old...ie only the well)
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To: mware

BTTT


46 posted on 07/31/2009 7:36:14 PM PDT by freednumb (Health care?/ Shmealth care!! It's no care for the infirm or the old...ie only the well)
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To: Jmouse007
Lets not forget those that will never be allowed to be born. Millions in neo-natal intensive care to preserve premature or “imperfect” babies will be avoided through selective termination pre-delivery, i.e. mandatory abortion
47 posted on 07/31/2009 7:50:41 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: Salvation

Oh my dear God - this makes me just want to cry.


50 posted on 07/31/2009 8:36:50 PM PDT by Guardian Sebastian
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