WI Rep, Steve Kagen-D, blasted at listening session in Green Bay

VIA youtube ^ | 8-4-09 | Fox News 11

[Indy Pendance]

This is great! Another Rep was booed at a listening session. Hundreds turned up, hundreds could not fit in the meeting. If anyone has additional videos, please post the link!

Kagen booed at listening session

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

And the DemocRat leadership is trying to portray these pissed off constituents as hired goons and agitators bussed in by the evil insurance companies.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

“...home of the next Governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker.”

BUMP TO THAT! :)

[longtermmemmory]

This is the democrat/rino solution.

1. blame it on insurance companies. (see “da jooooooz” or other scapegoat model)
2. all town halls are INVITATION ONLY and you are only invited if you agree.
3. NO RECORDING OF ANY KIND ALLOWED. (good luck with that one)

[upchuck]

Bear in mind that the list you linked for download contains many inaccuracies. Please do not spread inaccuracies. They really hurt our cause and make us look stupid.

FYI:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306605/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306605/posts?page=3#3
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306605/posts?page=10#10
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306605/posts?page=11#11

[brewcrew]

We have relatives in Madison who are Bay-at-the-Moon Liberals. The only way we can co-exist is by placing politics totally off limits.

80 or so miles doesn't hurt, either.

[Bertram Scudder]

Have a problem with a petition on facebook for constitutional restoration when they have some really radical Common Interest - Beliefs & Causes linked to the petition.

[Rutles4Ever]

I was also looking for the “mandatory” part, but did not find it. Perhaps it’s indicated earlier in the document.

What disturbs me the most about this kind of counseling - even if it’s not mandatory, but, say, provided for “free” on an opt-in basis, is the actual content of said counseling. i.e., will these counselors be pushing people over 65 to consider “costs” of various treatments? e.g., will they be hard-selling grandma on the exorbitant cost of getting cancer treatment as a senior citizen and recommending she choose to reject such treatments? If the Peter Singer QALY index becomes a guidepost for such counselors, will our senior citizens become collectively (if even gently) pushed towards allowing their own lives to expire out of economic consideration to younger, “more deserving” and “more economically productive” generations?

With the current administration record against the sanctity of life, I find such gov’t sponsored counseling - mandatory or not - to be rife with insidious, potentially nefarious possibilities.

[wbill]

Yep, I’m sure that CBSNBCABC will make this the lead tonight.

[uncbob]

I was also looking for the “mandatory” part, but did not find it. Perhaps it’s indicated earlier in the document

Thinking more about it I think it is de facto mandatory otherwise it would say "will be available upon request or some other wording but since they define the 5 year period and say it may be changed if illness occurs etc that to me means mandatory --thing is they cite some paragraphs from other sources that you probably need for a full understanding

For some reason ADOBEPDF doesn't let you highlight and copy or I would post it

[Jeff Head]

P. 425: ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

P. 428: ‘‘(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).

P. 429: ‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.

‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual.

[Jeff Head]

There are other Gorups on Facebook under that category that are formed by other people...but they are not “linked” to this effort. There is no affiliation.

[Rutles4Ever]

See - what I don’t understand is the following statement:

“...if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years”

I can’t decide if this implies that a consultation is mandatory if one hasn’t been made in the last five years, OR, if it’s implying that a consultation is only possible if you haven’t had one in the last five years.

Without seeing “paragraph 3”, I’m not sure what this means, though you seem to believe it’s mandatory.

[Jeff Head]

This is all language that is being addded, via this bill, the the Medicare legislation.

Everytime you go over five years, you will have to have another "consultation".

Unless you get sick in between, then the other wording I included in that last post applies.

It's the federal government...they will take this verbiage and run with it for all its worth. We dare not let them hold such wording in law over us.

[NTHockey]

Only 18 states are having meetings on a subject that will affect millions. New England - 0 meetings; Mid-Atlantic - DE (surprise!) and MD are left out in the cold; Confederacy (VA, FL??, AL, LA, AR, TN, KY, WV - 0); Southwest (AZ, NM - 0); Mountain States (ID, MN, UT, NV - 0); AK & HI - 0; Midwest (MI, MN, ND, SD, IA, IN, OH, MO -0).

COWARDS!

[uncbob]

Jeff

I saw all that and since it doesn’t say shall be available on request or similar words I think it is de facto mandatory
but there are no definite statements saying shall be conducted etc

What are the other references to hhh

[Yooper4Life]

I have good state Rep and Senators as well.
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???????????Leftist Senators Herb Kohl and Russ Feingold? Did I miss something?

[Jeff Head]

See my post number 53.

[Yooper4Life]

Just to remind you good folks Rep.Kagen, if you’ll recall, is Dr. Millionaire. He’s the rep who gave Rove a hard time at the White House welcome gathering.

Kagen is sitting in a fairly conservative district, hopefully we’ll fine a stronger candidate to run against him next time. Sometime today Mister Kagen will be having another listening session in Appleton. Sure hope that turns out the same
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I just returned from the Appleton event. It sat 250 and turned away another 200 or so. I did not get a seat inside but mingled awhile. At least 30-1 against government health care, cap and trade, tyranny, etc.

Kagan also intentionally called Laura Bush “Barbara” and laughed about it, if I recall right. He narrowly won in 2006 but had the DemoRAT machine behind him in 2008.

I also ran into Kagan a few weeks ago at a farmers market and confronted him on the cap and trade garbage. He spouted the typical Gore/Leftists talking point that “global warming” is “settled science”. I let him know that I know of NO ONE who is in favor of ANY more government control, taxes, etc.

[Indy Pendance]

Yes, I said, STATE, not federal. Granted, those two you mentioned are abominations.

[Yooper4Life]

I knew something wasn’t right. My apologies.