[Plutarch]

Well, it wasn't a poorly done forgery, because the combined efforts of FR were not able to discredit it until the Australian BC was found. In posting prior to vetting the Kenya BC, Orly didn't do the 'Birther' movement any favors, and in persisting to defend the Kenya BC, she isn't doing herself any favors.

[babble-on]

The reason it’s so damaging is because it was a pretty well done forgery! I wonder who did it??

[hoe_cake]

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[CaribouCrossing]

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[agere_contra]

What nonsense you speak.

The Orly B/C isn't a forgery based on the Bomford B/C.

It might very well turn out to be a forgery - that's why it need to be authenticated against the registry.

But its not a forgery just because somebody made their own fake.

Neither it is a forgery just because somebody else made a version with different letters and numbers.

And if a thousand gaywads from SomethingAwful make a thousand new forgeries tomorrow, each with its own spectacular backstory, that still doesn't reflect on the authenticity or otherwise of the Orly B/C

Only comparison with the primary sources can tell us about the authenticity of the Orly B/C.

[Cicero]

"Recently Obama’s thugs in main stream (sic) media

Sic main stream media, indeed. I'm afraid that's probably a misspelling for "sick."

[Red Steel]

Or was it the Bomford BC that was as a forgery to impeach the Obama's BC? -----------------------------

To: Swordmaker; Jim Robinson

Hold the Presses! My daughter just showed me something.

She had me open both the Australian and Kenyan documents in Photoshop Elements. From there she had me under the Image menu "Divide Scanned Photos". Nothing appeared on the Kenyan document, however six layers pealed away from the Australian one.

These layers all showed distortion.
Layer 1 - Date and Place of Birth
Layer 2 - Father (followed by) Name, Surname, Age and B
Layer 3 - Name, Surname and Birthplace
Layer 4 - Issue { Living Deceased
Layer 5 - Signature, Description Informant
Layer 6 - The entire right section of the page, specifically the inserted text fields and bottom right quadrant

Will post these late tomorrow afternoon. The interesting thing about Photoshop elements is that on edited photos it will pull them apart. On unedited photos there will be no layering. All of the separated layers exhibited a great deal of pixel distortion around the letters.

I believe the Australian certificate is a fraud. I can not confirm the authenticity of the Kenyan document.

Will be heading to bed shortly.

1,390 posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:18:21 AM by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/posts?page=1390#1390

Hold the Presses! My daughter just showed me something.

She had me open both the Australian and Kenyan documents in Photoshop Elements. From there she had me under the Image menu "Divide Scanned Photos". Nothing appeared on the Kenyan document, however six layers pealed away from the Australian one.

These layers all showed distortion.
Layer 1 - Date and Place of Birth
Layer 2 - Father (followed by) Name, Surname, Age and B
Layer 3 - Name, Surname and Birthplace
Layer 4 - Issue { Living Deceased
Layer 5 - Signature, Description Informant
Layer 6 - The entire right section of the page, specifically the inserted text fields and bottom right quadrant

Will post these late tomorrow afternoon. The interesting thing about Photoshop elements is that on edited photos it will pull them apart. On unedited photos there will be no layering. All of the separated layers exhibited a great deal of pixel distortion around the letters.

I believe the Australian certificate is a fraud. I can not confirm the authenticity of the Kenyan document.

Will be heading to bed shortly.

[I am Richard Brandon]

Wait, wait, wait.

The so called Australian BC is the forgery - the jury has not returned its verdict on the Kenya thingy. Many have rendered pre-verdict verdicts, the same, tired arguments come up every 20 posts or so, but the Fat Lady did not sing.

[marron]

If Taitz’ BC is a graphic image, then I would say it was copied from the Aussie BC and she has been duped.

If her BC is on paper, then I would say that the Aussie BC (which so far is just a graphic image file) was copied from her BC.

In either case, someone is going to a great deal of trouble to fog up the original issue, and to discredit the people who are asking the original questions which are: where is the original Hawaiian BC? And what citizenship did O claim when he was in college.

With all the effort out there to dig through every detail of Palin’s life, you’d think a bit of effort could be spared to ask these two rather basic and very simple questions.

Instead what we get are a storm of ad hominems, and obvious efforts at counterfeiting in order to confuse and difuse the issue. But the issue is still there, and the question has yet to be answered.

Where is the original Hawaiian birth certificate? And what citizenship did Obama claim in college. If you’re a journalist, answer these questions and you’ve got your Pulitzer. You might be looking for a job, though.

[EternalVigilance]

Since when is “Salon” considered to be a reputable source for anything, much less something this important?

I read the pieces you linked on Salon, and they’re typical leftist bilge water.

[allmendream]

Document # 47O44 just happens to be about the “47” year old “0”bama who is the “44”th President?

Wow! What a coincidence!!!

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

This appears to be a set-up designed to produce just this result.

Step 1: Anonymous Obama-bot forges Kenyan birth certificate and sends it to Orly.

Step 2: After Orly is lured into putting her credibility behind the Kenyan birth certificate, the Bomford template is publicly revealed by the Obama-bot, undercutting Orly.

The problem arose in that the so-called “birther” side was coming to the conclusion that the Kenyan birth certificate was faked, so the originators of the fraud had to come out earlier than they wanted to with the Bomford template.

WND was already backing away from it last night.

Perhaps Orly was hoping that, questionable or not, it could be a sufficient basis to allow a court to have Kenyan records checked, and who knows what Kenyan records would reveal as to Barack obama.

Obviously, the fakers could not allow it to come to that, so they had to spring their trap earlier than they wanted.

Orly should not be putting her reputation on the purported Kenyan document.

[curiosity]

she isn't doing herself any favors.

So what else is new?

[surfer]

You have to understand legal maneuvering to see what Orly is doing here.

Regardless of whether the Kenyan BC is legit or not...it is a reason to file a motion to compel discovery which would open a door that no one has been successful in doing.

If the BC is legit then the game goes to a whole other level if it isn’t but Orly is allowed discovery (which can be very wide in scope) than it served its legal purpose.

Additionally the Google malware advisory on her site within hours of the original posting is quite suspect.

Why are they trying SO HARD to discourage people from looking at the information?

In here somewhere is a smoking gun and the stakes have never been higher so the games have only just begun.

[Cicero]

Well, the Orly Taitz certificate remains to be checked out by the experts. So far, everything seems to be credible, and the desperate efforts to discredit it have all failed to do so.

As for this nonsense from a leftist source, how does the fact that leftists are now posting bunches of faked and forged birth certificates on the web demonstrate that Taitz’s certificate is a fake?

See #8 here, for instance.

Or the posts at Daily Kos calling on all leftists to start turning out fake birth certificates and plaster them around the net to confuse people.

Sorry, but the sudden appearance of a poorly forged Aussie BC proves nothing.

[dalight]

In posting prior to vetting the Kenya BC, Orly didn't do the 'Birther' movement any favors, and in persisting to defend the Kenya BC, she isn't doing herself any favors.

Bomford is extremely likely to be a forgery, 99.9% and the two documents are mutually exclusive. Bomford was discredited in yesterdays's mega-thread

Oops, better do a doubletake!

This bozo Koppelman is barking out his arse.

[nathanbedford]

It is time for conservatives to distance themselves from the obviously unstable Dr.Orly Taitz. She has recently discredited herself with her near hysterical performance on MSNBC and this screed of hers is simply disreputable. She is a liability with which the conservative movement can no longer afford to be associated.

As for the birther movement itself, the issue of the legitimacy of Barack Obama's birth remains theoretically open. It is theoretically possible that his mother or grandmother filed an application falsely alleging a private birth at home in Honolulu which resulted in a Birth Certificate which purported a birth in Hawaii. This document in turn spawned a Certification of Live Birth and two newspaper announcements. All succeeding documents were automatically generated and all succeeding documents were as fraudulent as the initial application. All subsequent pronouncements by the officials of the state of Hawaii properly reflected that proper procedures were followed and correctly recited that the documents show a birth in Honolulu, Hawaii. Hence, garbage in, garbage out and all the garbage was turned out on automatic pilot. That, at any rate, it is the remaining scenario to show the Barack Obama is not a naturall born citizen of the United States.

This scenario is theoretically possible but not likely. Far more likely is a simple explanation that Barack Obama received an ordinary birth certificate as is normally issued upon live birth in a Honolulu hospital. But that is only a likelihood. Therefore, I believe that we should maintain an open mind and a steadfast insistence that Obama produce the underlying documents which would settle the provenance of the Certificate of Live Birth.

Meanwhile, as a matter of our own survival is is time to say au revoir to Doctor Dr.Orly Taitz.

[Plummz]

A 1959 Queensland, Australia birth registration.

http://www.mabonativetitle.com/info/eMBirthCertificate.htm

[givemELL]

New current info posted today on www.antimullah.com on the Taitz/Keyes case.

[LTC.Ret]

I admit that I don’t understand all the technobabble here about taking apart these images by pixels and layers, but I will note that immediately upon being presented with this thing it appears that the posters here began to do their very best to tear it apart and prove that it was fake -— exactly the same way we treated the Hawaiian image!!! There has been a lot of back and forth, with a different conclusion every few hours -— very difficult to understand and keep up with here.

I will say that other sites, especially those on the left, seemed to focus all efforts ONLY to deconstruct this image to PROVE that it is false, or discredit the image in some way, and NOT make any real effort to determine its legitimacy -— totally 100% opposite of the way the Hawaiian image was greeted by these same people. It seems that those on the left are the TRUE BELIEVERS, and we here are the SKEPTICS!!!

Since I KNOW for a FACT that Obama lied on his Bar Association application by stating, when asked for other names and aliases “NONE”, and have good reason to believe that his draft registration was forged at the worst of backdated at best -— it is not a leap of faith or common sense to believe that ONCE A LIAR, ALWAYS A LIAR.

[UglyinLA]

The Australian BC has already been determined to be a forgery.