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Is the GOP Dead in California?
Post Scripts ^ | 8/5/09 | Fred Krueger

Posted on 08/05/2009 4:22:57 PM PDT by Korah

Doctors pronounce death when their patient ceases brain activity and in that sense, I suppose we could say the GOP in California died years ago. But, in this bizarre world of politics technical death has a whole other half-life. We know dead people often vote and brain-dead legislators do too! No surprise there. And these brain dead politicians are frequently re-elected! We also know that dead beats live off your tax dollars. Yes, the dead are prolific partakers in California politics. If you consider these folks often join forces with those I call mouth-breathers, (they resemble the walking dead) then by their sheer force of numbers they control everything because the conservative is simply overwhelmed.

Die hard Republicans have been loath to admit this ugly truth. But, enough of you know their party is going the way of the Wooly Mammoth. Hey, maybe this should be the new symbol instead of the African elephant, it's certainly more appropriate given the times.

Polls show in the 1970's that fully 51% or more of all voters strongly opposed abortion, but by the early 2000's over 70% supported a mother's choice, as opposed to a right to life. There's that death thing again, which may explain in part why the right considers California a dying state. We certainly have our share of aborted babies.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ca2010; california; doa; elections; gop
Real good take on the situation in California with the GOP.
1 posted on 08/05/2009 4:22:57 PM PDT by Korah
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To: Korah

The GOP is dead nationally.


2 posted on 08/05/2009 4:24:17 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Korah

Dead?? Heck, brain dead and seriously decayed would be a more colorful description, IMHO.


3 posted on 08/05/2009 4:24:49 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Korah
The GOP party around the country and in the state of CA need a purging of old school populists and moderates.

Need to have all the Democrats challenged at all times and the sucky Republicans we don't like need to be challenged by Conservatives with talent in the primaries IMO.

4 posted on 08/05/2009 4:25:24 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Korah
The left of course doesn't consider California a dying state at all, it's a utopia-bound state that just happens to be in need of more tax revenues. They (the left) believe that given enough taxation all will be well! Schools will turn out honor students, prisons will turn out productive members of society, the air will be cleaner and even global warming will be reversed...IF ONLY we only had enough tax revenue. Government...the solution for what ails you.

Nuff said.

5 posted on 08/05/2009 4:28:47 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: Korah

In California, the GOP BP is 40 over 20 and will soon be in a hospice.


6 posted on 08/05/2009 4:29:06 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: Korah
With millions of illegals voting, yes.

The GOP thought they could "reach out" to voters who hate them - but they hate the GOP anyway because those voters want "FREE STUFF!"

7 posted on 08/05/2009 4:29:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: A CA Guy

Good call, and I would agree with your analogy of what we need to do. I really liked the guys idea that the new mascot for the GOP should be the Wholly Mammoth.


8 posted on 08/05/2009 4:29:44 PM PDT by Korah
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To: Korah
It may well be dead, but that is no comfort to Californians, whose state is headed down the socialist drain.

The GOP should be the least of their concerns.

9 posted on 08/05/2009 4:34:24 PM PDT by lawnguy (The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil-Cicero)
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To: Korah

At least CA can still elect them. You want dead ? Try Massachusetts.


10 posted on 08/05/2009 4:37:48 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Korah

Freddy Krueger??


11 posted on 08/05/2009 4:37:56 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Korah

Regardless, the national GOP is once again missing out on a golden opportunity to illustrate the end results of runaway liberalism as demonstrated by California’s failure. The usual, gutless, ineffective, inane attempt to point out the obvious. So as usual, our side will have all the facts on our side, all the evidence on our side, but still continue to lose the issues because of gutlessness by our ‘leadership’.


12 posted on 08/05/2009 4:41:44 PM PDT by raptor29
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To: lawnguy
It may well be dead, but that is no comfort to Californians, whose state is headed down the socialist drain."

Yep. I am a born and raised Californian. I've lived in the Central Valley and in the SF Bay Area. It irks me the crap I have to live through. As my profile states, my vote means squat, both in this state and nationally.

And before anyone suggests moving out of the state, why should I? Why should liberals have a monopoly on the wonderful weather we have in this state? I've been around the country enough on business and vacation to know that there are few places I would even consider moving to in comparison to California.

As soon as our daughter graduates from high school in two years, we will likely move to a more conservative area of the state. I can't believe how liberal Silicon Valley has become in the 27 years I have been here.

13 posted on 08/05/2009 4:41:54 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Korah; All
What really killed the GOP in California? Well the GOP is not technically dead but they are marginalized. What really did the trick? Demographics. It's as simple as that. When you have a FANTASTIC influx of immigrants (both legal & illegal) you have a change in the political dynamics. Most of the newcomers are poor and uneducated. They are the types who are most likely to want services from government that they don't have to pay for. It's in their nature. They are tailor made Democrats.

It takes a special type of person to be a free market capitalist with faith in individual rights and limited government. Just because you want a better live and you are a relatively hard worker doesn't mean you have the political instincts to be a citizen of a free republic. These folks are easy picking for the RATS and this is why nothing is done to reform immigration policy. The Democrats like the policy because it makes them the majority party. Without the 1965 Immigration Reform Act, Obama could NEVER have been elected. Think about it.

Most people don't want to face up to it but this is the situation which we face today. California probably won't be part of the United States in another 20-30 years. It pretty much a done deal at this point. They smart people know it at least most of them. Demographics is destiny and our destiny was sealed in 1965.

Thanks Democrats.
14 posted on 08/05/2009 4:45:36 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: CatOwner

San Diego has 5 congressmen
3 are the best Conservative Republicans.

Rep. & Marine Capt. Duncan Hunter
Brian Bilbray
Darrell Issa.


15 posted on 08/05/2009 4:46:09 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Korah
California is dead in California

California...esp So Cal, is a minority quasi underdeveloped country with a european business class. It is a ticking time bomb that is about to blow. The Hispanics have out birthed and immigrated the europeans and will soon dominate the entire state. They bring with them 3rd world socialist world views that will wreck the business class.

All of this is a foreshadowing of the USA at large.

16 posted on 08/05/2009 4:48:23 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: SoCalPol
San Diego has 5 congressmen 3 are the best Conservative Republicans.

Rep. & Marine Capt. Duncan Hunter Brian Bilbray Darrell Issa.

Interesting you should mention San Diego. We just returned from a week's vacation in San Diego, my first time there. We liked it a lot, and we did talk about possibly moving there in a few years. Housing there is cheaper (relatively) compared to where we live in the Bay Area, so making such a move would also be a good one financially.

17 posted on 08/05/2009 4:50:10 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Korah

Republican Party is dead in Maryland too. No consultation with voters, no leadership, no voice.


18 posted on 08/05/2009 4:55:16 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama - The wolf in the suit.)
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To: CatOwner

+1 I’m FIFTH Generation Californian. Should I abandon ship in a time of need? I don’t think so. That sounds more like Susan and Tim threatening to bolt to Canada before W was re-elected (as if!) I’d rather live in California - for all its flaws - than most anywhere else, not to mention I like my job. As Dorothy used to say, “there’s no place like home”

Is GOP dead in California? Well certainly the brand is tarnished. I don’t think anyone can disagree with that. It is the result of discarding the principles that got RR and Deukmejian elected, and later Newt’s takeover of Congress.

There is certainly room for a conservative alternative in California. The libs have made a mess of the state and their ultra-low approval ratings are a reflection. There is also reason to hope that a new non-partisan redistricting commission will form more competitive legislative districts following the next census (they can’t get much less competitive right now). And voters have slammed the door on libs most recent attempt to raise taxes (just 2 months ago!) The Guvernator has also developed some backbone...

So dead, well not yet. But it is a party that requires strong leadership and strong ideas. Saying “no” to tax hikes is a noble and wise position, but it doesn’t make for a compelling election platform. The GOP caucus would be wise to take a page from Newt’s playbook. The time is right.


19 posted on 08/05/2009 4:55:58 PM PDT by KingofZion
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To: truthguy

You are well named. Your post is the gospel truth.


20 posted on 08/05/2009 5:08:16 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: blasater1960
Yes you are one of the few who get it. See my post, I essentially say the same thing. Most people are too foolish or lack the courage to face up to the facts. There's no way to have a first world country (or state) with massive waves of third world people. Yes third world people can be brought up to higher levels IF they are in a relatively small minority and immersed in a first world culture. It doesn't take a genius to understand this isn't the situation in California today.

No California has passed the point of no return. It will not recover because it CAN'T recover. The numbers of people who produce less wealth than what they consume now outnumber those who produce more wealth than what they consume. All the economic churning the phony economics types squirt out won't change this basic fact. This is the major reason civilizations decline. The number of unproductive and counter productive people start to outnumber the number of productive people.

So California is lost, as least everything south of the SF Bay area. It simply cannot be fixed. The dreamers out there still believe it can be salvaged but they are fools.

Stay tuned for the calamity.
21 posted on 08/05/2009 5:12:34 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Korah

I wouldn’t worry about California—it’s nothing more than Banana Republic Norte.


22 posted on 08/05/2009 5:14:21 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Korah

Considering Relocating? Think about Colorado Springs…

Outside Magazine just ranking Colorado Springs as the best place to live.

http://outside.away.com/outside/destinations/200908/best-towns-america-colorado-springs.html

Outside Magazine lists as a drawback that it might be get this TOO CONSERVATIVE for some people.

As you know, Money Magazine consistently usually ranks it number 1 as well. http://www.ownyourownmountain.com/artman/publish/Gazette_Telegraph_Article.html

I f you or a CONSERVATIVE person is considering relocating, I’d invite you to tell them about this family values oasis. I’d personally suggest Northern Colorado Springs as being the best and the most conservative. And just to lay my cards on the table, I am not in the Real Estate business and make nothing off anyone moving here. I just know that Soros and others have dumped millions into Colorado and have succeeding in taking over the state government for the first time in decades recently.

The Springs loses out to Denver and Boulder in the state elections but it is still close enough to make a difference.


23 posted on 08/05/2009 5:14:39 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: Korah

It’s not just the GOP; it’s conservatism. Here’s how dead it is: President Obama’s approval rating is still a sky-high 65%, unchanged since last month, according to SurveyUSA. That same pollster shows him below the red line in states he carried, such as Virginia, Wisconsin, etc.

Conversely, RINO businesswomen Meg Whitman and Carly Fiona may become Governor and Junior Senator of California in 2010.


24 posted on 08/05/2009 5:16:38 PM PDT by dangus (I am JimThompson)
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To: pnh102
The GOP is dead nationally.

Maybe, but Obama will resurrect conservatism (and has in many ways) by demonstrating his leftist, fascist, communist, tendancies with Health Care, CO2 tax, and a general inability to turn a sour economy around with: you guessed it, higher taxes.

CA is in trouble 'cause the Dems today are nothing like past Dems. Old dems built things (highways, water systems, educational facilities, etc.) today's dems write paychecks, give handouts, tax the crap out of any productive private sector enterprise, and build lavish retirements for themselves and their union buddies.

I can't think of any major project undertaken during the reign of the metro/collectivist-dem. Hell, they can't even deliver on Homo Marriage. What a bunch of incompetent fags.

If I were queer (and I'm not, thank you) I'd be so pissed I'd vote for a conservative- that way I still couldn't get 'married', but at least I'd have a job.

Maybe this sort of defection can occur on a larger scale than we may predict, but one things for certain- the path we're on won't get us where we should be as the richest state in the Union.

In fact, the path we've been taking all these 'liberal state government' years will very soon come crashing down on a lot of people for lack of 'vision' and 'principle'. Momma said there'd be days like this.

25 posted on 08/05/2009 5:28:34 PM PDT by budwiesest (Obama's parasitism is designed to kill the host. I wonder why?)
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To: CatOwner; All
Yes San Diego is one of the last sane places in California, at least SoCal. But keep something in mind. Demographics is working against San Diego as well. Orange County was once just as conservative as San Diego. What happened? Massive waves of immigration (both legal and illegal) overwhelmed the County. Most of these newcomers were tailor made Democrats. Yes there were a few hard core Vietnamese refugees who VERY anit-communist and they voted Republican/Conservative but they were outnumbered by subsequent waves of other immigrants and even their own children. Any area with high Immigration WILL be liberal. Even Miami is starting to change. Take Castro away and the whole of South Florida will be liberal in very short order. No this is a fact of life.
26 posted on 08/05/2009 5:57:29 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: CatOwner

While housing is down a bit, this would be the time.

Housing in San Diego before the crunch was one of the highest in the U.S.

condos in my neighborhood now start around $500,000 a unit to $4 million a unit.
1 mile further to $12 million a unit.

In general in SD homes $300,000 to over 25 million.

SD has the largest number of defense contractors.
They are getting huge numbers in contracts weekly.

Lot of HiTech here, Major area for BioMed and research.
Telecommunications. Largest concentration of military
in the world.

Tourism and Conventions here bring in over $12 Billion a year.


27 posted on 08/05/2009 7:08:43 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: truthguy
Without the 1965 Immigration Reform Act, Obama could NEVER have been elected.

Which did jack squat as far as Mexican immigration is concerned. Mexicans were not included under the "national origins quotas." The repeal of the 1965 laws was intended to benefit southern and eastern Europeans who were severley restricted under the 1924 laws. From 1965-late 1970s, most of the newcomers were from places like Greece and Portugal. Since the late 1970s, the biggest beneficiaries have been Chinese, Korean, Indian, Filipino, and various African countries.

The illegal Mexicans and Central Americans have swarmed in here due to lack of enforcement of immigration laws on our southern border. The 1965 law is irrelevant in that case.

28 posted on 08/05/2009 7:10:23 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: SoCalPol

San Diego city AND county also voted for Obama and are full of the smuggest people outside of San Francisco.


29 posted on 08/05/2009 7:11:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

0 and not by much.
Then again, overwhelming pop. here are from other states.
Smug, hey no problem. Though a native here, my family goes back to the 1620s in your neigborhood when it was still New Amsterdam.


30 posted on 08/05/2009 8:01:25 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: truthguy

Excellent Post. Very well-put.


31 posted on 08/05/2009 8:39:39 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Korah

What!? California HAS a republican party?


32 posted on 08/05/2009 8:53:20 PM PDT by johnny reb (When in the course of human events.......)
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To: SoCalPol
Folks tend to forget that the "old" families in New York and New Jersey are of Dutch heritage (Scuylers, Schemehorns, Van Cleefs, etc.). We still have some around.

The yuppie/hipster transplants have taken over much of New York (especially the portions of the outer boroughs closest to Manhattan and Manhattan itself). The city has, in many ways, become more "Americanized" over the past 15 years, but still has lousy politics.

33 posted on 08/06/2009 6:24:37 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: truthguy

Regarding demographics, indeed that is the bulk of the problem. More confounding, is the way Baby Bush flooded California with immigrants for 8 years. I can understand Clinton building his liberal base that way, but Baby Bush sold out the future of the Republican Party to provide a short term cheap labor pool for his buddies to get rich with. Thanks, Jorge Bush!

Democrat registration stands at 43% while Republican registration is 33%.

The democrats have 30% more voters right off the top than the Republicans do. I repeat! DEMOCRATS HAVE 4 VOTERS FOR EVERY 3 REPUBLICAN VOTERS.

The fix is in. It’s over. And the children are being brainwashed in schools to embrace homosexuality, accept abortion, and save the environment at all cost. Not exactly a prescription for future Republican registration.

We California Conservatives are doomed.

OK, there is one slim chance... If the coming Depression gets bad enough, it is not impossible that the Republicans could successfully reveal how the socialist Democrats bankrupted California. Somehow, I doubt that. Not only are they pissing up a rope with a media that is an arm of the DNC, but it would take guts, resolve and daring to make the argument. Our Republican wimps are not up to the task of hitting below the belt, so they’ll roll over and play dead again.

I go back to my initial conclusion. We are so screwed.


34 posted on 08/07/2009 2:15:16 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 55... 54... 53...)
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