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Winston Churchill statue in Paris desecrated with blood red paint on liberation anniversary
Telegraph (UK) ^ | August 20, 2009 | Peter Allen

Posted on 08/20/2009 5:22:34 AM PDT by Cheap_Hessian

French anti-war campaigners have desecrated a statue of Winston Churchill in central Paris on the anniversary of the city's liberation from Nazi rule.

The night time attack saw the bronze hands of the £250,000 statue daubed in red paint.

The initials RH were also daubed on the statue, perhaps a reference to Rudolf Hess, Adolf Hitler's deputy, who flew to Britain at the height of the Second World War to allegedly try and make peace.

Instead, Churchill had him thrown in prison in 1941, and the war continued for a further four years.

After the war, Hess was tried at Nuremberg and jailed for life for war crimes. He died, aged 93, in Spandau Prison, 22 years ago this week in 1987.

Some in France view Churchill as a war criminal himself because of his decision to scuttle the Vichy French fleet in Tunisia rather than let it fall into the hands of Third Reich forces.

He is also remembered for ordering the Allied bombing of occupied France, which led to thousands of French deaths.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anniversary; antiwar; churchill; france; rudolfhess; statue; vandalism; winstonchurchill; wwii

1 posted on 08/20/2009 5:22:34 AM PDT by Cheap_Hessian
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Boy you Frogs, the insults never end. If you’re not loading Jews into box cars, you’re pissing on the people trying to stop you. I liked it better when Chirac was president of France - a pussy like him adequately reflected the French character of the populace. You’ve got Sarkozy as the President, a guy that kicks ass on Islamofascists and bangs supermodels. Let me tell you, he’s not a normal Frenchman.


2 posted on 08/20/2009 5:25:41 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Somebody doesn't like Churchill ~ a neo-Nazi perhaps?!

Well, UK does have it's share of skinheads.

For those who don't know about Rudolf Hess he wasn't speaking for Hitler when he tried to escape from Germany ~ and he was imprisoned for life on account of his responsibility for STARTING THE WAR. He was, so to speak, a well-known war criminal. He was spared from death.

3 posted on 08/20/2009 5:25:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Churchill would probably get a good laugh, no?


4 posted on 08/20/2009 5:26:20 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

He was a bad man for refusing to surrender Great Britain.

And of course some of the French will never forgive hiim for plotting with America to throw the out their beloved Nazi overlords.

/sarcasm off/


5 posted on 08/20/2009 5:29:09 AM PDT by Iron Munro (America's awkward stage: too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Ever get the feeling we would have been better off if we let the Germans keep France?


6 posted on 08/20/2009 5:29:18 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: domenad

Remember, France continues to have neo-Nazis but just because they’ve tried to take credit for this action, you gotta’ take a look at how the writer put the story together. It is not altogether clear that the writer disagrees with his informants regarding Churchill ~ and alas, he’s entirely too ready to let the blame fall on disaffected French neo-Nazis and not on the whole European neo-Nazi movement (which includes Brits, French, Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, etc.) ~ and then there’s the now native Islamofascist movement and they have their own list of complaints against Churchill.


7 posted on 08/20/2009 5:30:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: domenad

That’s because he’s Hungarian.


8 posted on 08/20/2009 5:30:18 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: domenad
“Let me tell you, he’s not a normal Frenchman”

No great French leader ever was... Napoleon I was Italian.

Maybe they ruined Churchill's statue because he said ‘DeGaulle is a disgrace’. (And he was right)

9 posted on 08/20/2009 5:30:42 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else" Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: domenad

That is because Sarko is of Hungarian descent. French can only succeed under non French leaders. Napoleon was corsican.


10 posted on 08/20/2009 5:32:41 AM PDT by omega4179 (-9 dptp I0)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
The frogs are facing a more hideous threat now. Surely, they will never be gracious for their liberation from the Nazi's. Now, they will become, or have become, an Islamic State and can, or will not, do anything to stop it!
11 posted on 08/20/2009 5:34:19 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: omega4179

I was completely unaware of that and yet totally unsurprised.


12 posted on 08/20/2009 5:34:42 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Just to be fair, over 500,000 French members of the resistance were horribly tortured and killed by the Nazis.

Not all French are like these kooks.


13 posted on 08/20/2009 5:35:08 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Well, maybe Obama can give the French the statue of Churchhill that Obama kicked out of the White House?
14 posted on 08/20/2009 5:36:43 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Well, maybe Obama can give the French the statue of Churchhill that Obama kicked out of the White House?

More likely zero will give the French a statue of himself and a DVD, in the wrong format, of his speeches.

15 posted on 08/20/2009 5:45:39 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Too many zeros in the budget. And the White House.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Churchill: Still giving leftists hell after a generation.

Can you think of a greater legacy?

Godspeed, sir!

16 posted on 08/20/2009 5:48:15 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

disgusting, unappreciative loons


17 posted on 08/20/2009 5:49:11 AM PDT by DM1
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Some in France view Churchill as a war criminal himself because of his decision to scuttle the Vichy French fleet in Tunisia rather than let it fall into the hands of Third Reich forces.

Moron reporter and idiot editor alert.

1) You can't scuttle someone else’s fleet - you sink it.

2) Oran is nowhere near Tunisia.

18 posted on 08/20/2009 5:50:48 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
This reminds me of an article in "The Onion," from years ago, titled something along the lines of "US Secretary of State apologizes for liberating France," where Colin Powel said, "What were we thinking?"

It was the funniest thing I had ever read in The Onion.

Mark

19 posted on 08/20/2009 5:52:23 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Iron Munro
And of course some of the French will never forgive hiim for plotting with America to throw the out their beloved Nazi overlords.

I think that this would be a good place to post a few French jokes, how about you?

For sale: French battle rifles. Never fired, and only dropped once.

Why do they grow trees along the Champs Elyse? So that German soldiers can march in the shade.

Who says the French can't win a war... They did beat Greenpeace!

Mark

20 posted on 08/20/2009 5:55:16 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Calling the entire French people nazis because one guy defaced Winnie’s staute is similar to calling all Americans nazis because of Pat Buchanan’s editorials.


21 posted on 08/20/2009 6:00:10 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

I suppose this was better.

22 posted on 08/20/2009 6:01:51 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: MarkL
French Army Knife


23 posted on 08/20/2009 6:02:11 AM PDT by Iron Munro (America's awkward stage: too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards)
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To: Iron Munro

It’s missing the fold-out white flag.


24 posted on 08/20/2009 6:05:55 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Englishman/American: "Sprechen ze Deutch?"

Frenchman: "Non!"

Englishman/American: "You're WELCOME!"

25 posted on 08/20/2009 6:11:25 AM PDT by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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To: omega4179

“...Sarko is of Hungarian descent. French can only succeed under non French leaders. Napoleon was corsican.”

At least he wasn’t Kenyan.


26 posted on 08/20/2009 6:12:43 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
He is also remembered for ordering the Allied bombing of occupied France, which led to thousands of French deaths.

An estimated 10,000 French civilians were killed by allied shelling, bombing, and ground combat operations during the Allied invasion of Normandy. The French civilians at that time and place realized that civilian casualties were unavoidable if France and western Europe was to be liberated from the cruel Nazi occupation that had dragged on for over 4 years by then.

When American vets of that invasion held a reunion in Normandy a few years ago they were treated like the heroes they are by the French people of that region who remembered what hell on earth had been like under Hitler's Gestapo and SS troops, and who it was who freed them and their parents from that reign of terror at the cost of many thousands of Allied lives as well as thousands of French civilian's lives. If the person(s) who defaced Churchill's statue had lived under Nazi occupation for four long years of terror, arrests, torture, and executions of civilians by inhuman Nazi occupiers I doubt that he, or they if more than one, would have defaced a memorial dedicated to a great man who was instrumental in freeing them and all of France from the demented monster in Berlin.

27 posted on 08/20/2009 6:14:19 AM PDT by epow (Luke 11:21 "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:")
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To: Monterrosa-24

Exactly. Americans are ones to talk about France, after who we elected last November.

I’d much rather have Sarkozy, than the Usurper.


28 posted on 08/20/2009 6:17:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SMARTY
He once said that: "Of all the crosses I have to bear, the heaviest is the Cross of Lorraine."

Roosevelt had once remarked that deGaulle thought that he was Joan of Arc, to which Churchill is said to have replied: "Yes, but, unfortunately, the Bishop won't let me burn him."

29 posted on 08/20/2009 6:31:06 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Cheap_Hessian

If the French had not sold out Czechoslovakia, they could have avoided the entire Second World War.

And if they didn’t have ancient and incompetent generals leading their army, they might have avoided defeat at the hands of the Wehrmacht.


30 posted on 08/20/2009 6:33:41 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

“Instead, Churchill had him thrown in prison in 1941, and the war continued for a further four years.”

Good Lord, what a bowdlerization of history this is! The goofy Hess thought he could end the war single-handedly. The British didn’t take him the least bit seriously, and they were right. Hitler was furious at what Hess had done. If anyone thinks the war continued because of the British putting Hess in jail, I suggest they may be suffering from the same delusion Hess was.


31 posted on 08/20/2009 6:41:27 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
It’s missing the fold-out white flag.

Here you go -


32 posted on 08/20/2009 6:46:11 AM PDT by Iron Munro (America's awkward stage: too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards)
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To: Iron Munro

Now there you have something a frenchman would pay good money for.


33 posted on 08/20/2009 6:47:28 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: popdonnelly
If the French had not sold out Czechoslovakia, they could have avoided the entire Second World War.

Neville Chamberlain was a part of the agreement to cede the Sudetenland to Chermany. Don't blame it all on the Frogs.

34 posted on 08/20/2009 7:09:24 AM PDT by Ole Okie (American)
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To: omega4179

“That is because Sarko is of Hungarian descent. French can only succeed under non French leaders. Napoleon was corsican.”

Sarkozy is of mixed European descent, partly Hungarian, partly French, and partly Greek. This is not atypical for France, the French population is not monolithic at all. Because France is positioned at land’s end in Western Europe, it has historically been a sort of genetic collection point for immigrants from all over Europe. France is mostly populated by persons of Germanic, Celtic, and Roman genes (and a fair degree of mixing of these), with a large boost in recent years from North Africa (Algeria primarily), although the French don’t intermarry with North Africans too much yet. As far as describing a typical Frenchman, it depends somewhat on which part of the country you’re in. I spent a fair amount of time in Normandy, and the people there greatly resemble white Americans; I found that they’re generally taller and fairer (lots of blond/light brown/red hair and blue, green or hazel eyes) than Frenchman from the Parisian area, who, on average, are shorter and tend to have darker hair and eyes. So when you’re talking about the French, you’re not really talking about a race, but rather a culture.


35 posted on 08/20/2009 7:10:55 AM PDT by Texan Tory
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To: Iron Munro
That would be the Italian Army Knife - look at the flag symbol (green, white, and red).
36 posted on 08/20/2009 7:49:10 AM PDT by Moltke
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To: Ole Okie

But it was the French who were adamant about punishing Germany after WWI. If they weren’t so obstinate, Hitler never would have risen to power. Woodrow Wilson, to his credit, tried to talk the French out of it, but they would have none of it.


37 posted on 08/20/2009 7:53:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Moltke
That would be the Italian Army Knife - look at the flag symbol (green, white, and red).

Good catch! Here's the real one:


38 posted on 08/20/2009 7:58:41 AM PDT by Iron Munro (America's awkward stage: too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Ummmm.... Don’t forget that the Brits sank the French fleet at Mers-el-Kebir after the fall of France in 1940; 1297 French officers and sailors were killed.
There might be some connection there.


39 posted on 08/20/2009 8:00:09 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Iron Munro

Hehe...yep, that’s the one.


40 posted on 08/20/2009 9:53:00 AM PDT by Moltke
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To: Cheap_Hessian

There were two frenchmen in the resistance. Everyone else worked for the NAZI’s. I say we just France back to the Germans.


41 posted on 08/20/2009 11:31:32 AM PDT by Bookie1066 (It's not going to be Atlas Shrugged but Atlas Shot Back.)
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To: Bookie1066

And much of the French Resistance were Communists loyal to Stalin.


42 posted on 08/20/2009 11:35:11 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Moltke
That would be the Italian Army Knife - look at the flag symbol (green, white, and red).

My monitor screen shows blue, white, red. Sorry about yours

43 posted on 08/20/2009 5:42:07 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (War is fought by human beings. - Carl von Clausewitz in On War)
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To: Cincinna; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Note: this topic is from August 20, 2009.
French anti-war campaigners have desecrated a statue of Winston Churchill in central Paris on the anniversary of the city's liberation from Nazi rule... Some in France view Churchill as a war criminal himself because of his decision to scuttle the Vichy French fleet in Tunisia rather than let it fall into the hands of Third Reich forces. He is also remembered for ordering the Allied bombing of occupied France, which led to thousands of French deaths.
Sounds like these "anti-war campaigners" would prefer a statue of Hitler.
44 posted on 09/04/2009 3:25:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

I hate Paris Nazis.


45 posted on 09/04/2009 3:25:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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