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Officials Weigh Circumcision to Fight H.I.V. Risk
NY Times ^ | Published: August 23, 2009 | RONI CARYN RABIN

Posted on 08/23/2009 6:12:04 PM PDT by Gordon Greene

Public health officials are considering promoting routine circumcision for all baby boys born in the United States to reduce the spread of H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS.

The topic is a delicate one that has already generated controversy, even though a formal draft of the proposed recommendations, due out from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by the end of the year, has yet to be released.

Experts are also considering whether the surgery should be offered to adult heterosexual men whose sexual practices put them at high risk of infection. But they acknowledge that a circumcision drive in the United States would be unlikely to have a drastic impact: the procedure does not seem to protect those at greatest risk here, men who have sex with men.

Recently, studies showed that in African countries hit hard by AIDS, men who were circumcised reduced their infection risk by half. But the clinical trials in Africa focused on heterosexual men who are at risk of getting H.I.V. from infected female partners...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aids; bhocdc; boys; circumcision; gaystapo; government; hiv; homobama; homosexualagenda; insanity; jewish; perverts; publichealth; riskybehavior
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Like they'll stop at smokers and burgers... when the government thinks it controls the health of private citizens, it won't hesitate to reach into every part of your personal life.
1 posted on 08/23/2009 6:12:05 PM PDT by Gordon Greene
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To: Gordon Greene

Not only that...see my profile page!


2 posted on 08/23/2009 6:13:49 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Gordon Greene

ROFLOL! Do it, Officials!


3 posted on 08/23/2009 6:14:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Going to take a look now... the problem is that most folks will look at this story and see the gay aspect of it. The babies that they are proposing forcing the procedure on are not in that category. It’s the government saying since they assume that some of your children will be gay they will make decisions about their healthcare (will religious preferences be considered?) from the womb to the tomb.


4 posted on 08/23/2009 6:17:25 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Gordon Greene
This news is NOT recent.........!!

Circumcision has been known for many, many years now to reduce the chance of AIDS...

5 posted on 08/23/2009 6:18:20 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Tax-chick

“ROFLOL! Do it, Officials!”

Do what?


6 posted on 08/23/2009 6:18:32 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Gordon Greene

The hard, desensitised callus skin formed on the glans because of the protective foreskin being removed might have an influence in preventing minor cuts during intercourse that might lower chances of picking up HIV and other STDs, but consider the fact that Sweden, where circumcision rates are practically nil, has a lower HIV prevalence rate than Pakistan, where practically all males are circumcised. Malaysia, another Islamic country with near-total male circumcision rates, has five times the HIV prevalence rate as Sweden.


7 posted on 08/23/2009 6:19:22 PM PDT by OldSpice
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To: Gordon Greene

Why, have themselves circumcised, of course. They’ve obviously concerned about their risk of contracting AIDS, and they know themselves and their habits best ...


8 posted on 08/23/2009 6:19:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: Tax-chick
Genesis 34:13-29

Been there, done that; naughty trick, no thanks.

HF

9 posted on 08/23/2009 6:22:28 PM PDT by holden
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To: Osage Orange

The news is not that circumcision does this or that... the news is that it is being suggested as a pseudo-requirement by the government.

“Public health officials are considering promoting routine circumcision for all baby boys born in the United States”


10 posted on 08/23/2009 6:22:36 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Gordon Greene
These findings about AIDS and circumcision have been brewing for a while now. I get a chuckle thinking about all those guys on the Left Coast who were anguishing over the loss of their foreskin. A lot of them went through “foreskin restoration” where they hang weights and stuff from their dongs trying to stretch the skin back over the end. And now they find out they should to cut it off. Again. hehehe.
11 posted on 08/23/2009 6:22:55 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Gordon Greene

hmm. I thought this thread would be laden with hilarious jokes. Instead, it’s rather solemn. I don’t get it, and I don’t think I want to...


12 posted on 08/23/2009 6:22:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: Tax-chick

Gotcha... the officials! Sorry ‘bout that. Missed the joke.

Must be slow tonight... A couple of laps around the house oughta cure that.


13 posted on 08/23/2009 6:24:17 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: holden

Really? OUCH!


14 posted on 08/23/2009 6:24:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: Gordon Greene
Here's what I responded to:

Recently, studies showed that in African countries hit hard by AIDS, men who were circumcised reduced their infection risk by half

It's NOT recent.....

And that was my point..No mas.

15 posted on 08/23/2009 6:24:43 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Gordon Greene

I would agree this is no place for a government to decide such things. But aside from HIV, there are a lot of benefits to circumcision aside from that. There is only upside to circumcision with regard to health.


16 posted on 08/23/2009 6:25:02 PM PDT by antonico
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To: Gordon Greene

Let’s see, 70% of the AIDs cases in America are homosexual males. I wonder if they might consider promoting the idea that men should not engage in anal sex.


17 posted on 08/23/2009 6:25:54 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: Americas last, best hope for survival.)
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To: antonico

Nonsense.

Removing the appendix might prevent you from getting appendicitis, but does that mean that surgeons should start harvesting them for that sake?


18 posted on 08/23/2009 6:27:19 PM PDT by OldSpice
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To: Larry Lucido; Cagey; MotleyGirl70
Public health officials are considering promoting routine circumcision for all baby boys

KRAMER: I would advise against that.

Elaine: Kramer, It's a tradition.

KRAMER: Well, so was sacrificing virgins to appease the gods, but we don't do that anymore.

Jerry: Well, maybe we should.

19 posted on 08/23/2009 6:27:51 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: Gordon Greene

Have a Guinness. The complex carbohydrates stimulate mental function.

Wouldn’t you like to see all government officials circumcized, if they havent’ been already ;-)? Theoretically, I mean, not actually watching ...


20 posted on 08/23/2009 6:30:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

That’s disgusting.

Disgusting, yet funny. It amazes me the folks that claim a behavior is something that they were born with. You are not born with particular behaviors... they are learned.

There are much more natural, God-ordained ways to take care of our physical requirements and none of them consist of putting things where they do not belong (I was a little worried this post would be dangerous).


21 posted on 08/23/2009 6:31:51 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Tax-chick

My “snake” will keep its turtleneck sweater!


22 posted on 08/23/2009 6:38:33 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Gordon Greene

Not “dangerous” at all! (though the queers will be hissing;)


23 posted on 08/23/2009 6:38:49 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Gordon Greene

Just cut the entire thing off of all queers and cure the HIV problem!


24 posted on 08/23/2009 6:40:13 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Gordon Greene

I don’t think the ‘strongly approve of Obama’ left will continue to strongly approve him after this. :)


25 posted on 08/23/2009 6:40:56 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama acted stupidly...and that's after knowing all the facts.)
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To: WellyP

TMI.


26 posted on 08/23/2009 6:41:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

I wonder if they might consider promoting the idea that men should not engage in anal sex.


I had a friendy conversation with an intelligent gay man more than a few years ago when I asked him why he thought it was reasonable to spend zillions to cure AIDS, just so he could have anal sex WITHOUT A CONDOM. He simply argued that this was important, and we should invest a fortune so he could continue without condoms.

So I’d change your prescription to a prohibition on anal sex without a condom, instead of the government goons disfiguring (in a profound way) every male baby.


27 posted on 08/23/2009 6:44:11 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: Gordon Greene

How pathetic, mutilate babies because they might become gay one day. To be specific, it’s not whether there’s a foreskin on the penis that matters, it’s where you stick the penis that counts.


28 posted on 08/23/2009 6:46:11 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Beelzebubba

“instead of the government goons disfiguring (in a profound way) every male baby.”

Extreme exageration if not total false!!!


29 posted on 08/23/2009 6:47:39 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Prokopton

I have no doubt that Obamacare will cover this mutilation.


30 posted on 08/23/2009 6:50:58 PM PDT by mrvirgo
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To: Gordon Greene

You mean that God may actually have had an additional reason (or perhaps He added the reason) for requiring circumcision? Whoda thunk it?

Circumcision also makes a transference of germs less resulting in fewer infections for the women of circumcised men.

Disclaimer: that last is something I was told by a doc a few years ago and I do not have any documentation for it.


31 posted on 08/23/2009 6:51:47 PM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ It is Monday and JT is at Fort Collins.)
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To: Frank_2001

Hissing... that’s a funny word.

I know. Are there some in the FR? If so, I may have to be careful about using words like queer, fag, homo, dyke and the like. Always the sensitive metro-sexual male, you know.


32 posted on 08/23/2009 6:52:11 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Osage Orange

Circumcision has been known for many, many years now to reduce the chance of AIDS...


“Reduce,” as in CAUSE? Or merely correlate, in that medically advance nations have a much higher circumcision rate (and understandably low AIDS rates), while the African primitives that see infidelity as a team sport (like typical rituals with a new bride and the men of the village) tend not to have this surgical procedure?


33 posted on 08/23/2009 6:53:20 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: OldSpice

The hard, desensitised callus skin formed on the glans because of the protective foreskin being removed might have an influence in preventing minor cuts during intercourse that might lower chances of picking up HIV and other STDs...


“Might.” But then again, since the AIDS infection rate for the “insertive” partner in essentially every scenario is virtually nil, this become an absurd solution that will have no medical benefit


34 posted on 08/23/2009 6:55:24 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: antonico

But aside from HIV, there are a lot of benefits to circumcision aside from that. There is only upside to circumcision with regard to health.


There is vigorous debate about that. Chopping off an unconsenting child’s private parts SHOULD be controversial.

Pulling all a child’s teeth prevents cavities, too. Maybe teaching brushing is wiser. Let adults decide whether to disfigure themselves.


35 posted on 08/23/2009 6:57:27 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: Gordon Greene

Why the hell pussy-foot around with circumcision?
Go for full-bore castration!

If they can circumcise you by force, they can just as easily castrate you!

Damn! Am I the only one who gets it??


36 posted on 08/23/2009 6:57:38 PM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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To: OldSpice

I have been begging the surgeons to please remove my appendix. They want to wait until it becomes “acute.”

I have “chronic appendicitis” meaning it does become infected and swollen off-and-on (Margaret Hullahan in M*A*S*H had it in one show) and usually it settles down again with an antibiotic and fasting. But, it could burst and require emergency surgery.

I live in the jungle. Emergencies are not good. Wouldn’t it be better just to have the thing out?

In regards to the foreskin, God commanded the removal and it doesn’t serve any purpose. Why not remove it when there are benefits?


37 posted on 08/23/2009 6:57:38 PM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ It is Monday and JT is at Fort Collins.)
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To: Gordon Greene
There a couple of articles that I would like encourage you to read to get up to speed on the subject of HIV and AIDS. Begin by reading either the Policy Review or the Reason Magazine article. Then read The Hidden Agenda Behind HIV. And finally, you might also consider watching London's Channel 4 (same people who produced The Great Global Warming Swindle) expose re: the AIDS scandal, entitled The AIDS Catch.

If you make it through these layman's resources, drop me a line and I'll send you a fairly easy to understand scientific paper on the subject that will absolutely blow your mind.

All the best--GGG

38 posted on 08/23/2009 6:57:49 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: dalereed

Extreme exageration if not total false!!!


Tell your Mom not to let you type after drinking liquor, OK?


39 posted on 08/23/2009 6:59:50 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: Tax-chick

“Wouldn’t you like to see all government officials circumcised”

Without Anesthesia, Madame!


40 posted on 08/23/2009 7:01:06 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Life is tough. It is even tougher if you are stupid--John Wayne)
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To: Jemian

Houlihan.


41 posted on 08/23/2009 7:02:55 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: Gordon Greene

I would hate for them to actually address the real cause of AIDS! Let’s just pretend this will help and ignore the other FACTS!


42 posted on 08/23/2009 7:03:18 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: TFMcGuire

I could imagine you lived in my county ... line up the County Commissioners and ... well, use your imagination.


43 posted on 08/23/2009 7:03:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: Jemian

In regards to the foreskin, God commanded the removal and it doesn’t serve any purpose.


1. The covenant that required the removal was rescinded by the New Covenant, if you subscribe to Christianity.

2. The “real estate” and nerve ending in that parcel have a meaningful effect on marital relations, which are part of G*d’s natural order.

Do you think the way every single male child is born is a MISTAKE?


44 posted on 08/23/2009 7:04:53 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: antonico

There is a downside too. It is a very traumatic experience. They circumcised me when I was born, and I couldn’t walk for a year.


45 posted on 08/23/2009 7:06:00 PM PDT by csmusaret (If you like this economy, keep voting for Donkeys.)
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To: Jemian

“I have been begging the surgeons to please remove my appendix. They want to wait until it becomes “acute.””

I’ve never seen a cute appendix. But then I’m not a doctor.

Is a cute apendix fuzzy? Wait... don’t answer that question.

On the other hand, I hope you get it taken care of before it becomes a problem.

On the only hand I have left... I don’t think the argument is whether it’s a good idea, it’s whether it is the government’s right to make that decision for you. And the way I understand it, the circumcision spoken of in the bible was more of a ceremony. I’m not sure the entire foreskin was removed (any Jewish folk out there care to enlighten?)


46 posted on 08/23/2009 7:09:54 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Beelzebubba

There is vigorous debate about that. Chopping off an unconsenting child’s private parts SHOULD be controversial.
Pulling all a child’s teeth prevents cavities, too. Maybe teaching brushing is wiser. Let adults decide whether to disfigure themselves.

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First, a child’s “private parts”, meaning his penis, isn’t “chopped off”. The foreskin is removed. Maybe you should know that its’ only uncircumcised men that get penile cancer. And while you contemplate whether foreskin removal is a “disfigure”, ask yourself: do you also feel that way about haircuts and trimming a child’s toenails and fingernails? Do they “consent” to those things?


47 posted on 08/23/2009 7:10:33 PM PDT by antonico
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To: Beelzebubba

My mother was murdered 14 years ago and since i’m 72 I wouldn’t pay any attention to her anyway!


48 posted on 08/23/2009 7:13:07 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: the invisib1e hand; Osage Orange

Solemn because we have yet another example of government intrusion into the management and care of our bodies.

The health nannies seem to think they can cut in on any aspect of what we do with our bodies except in the case of pregnancy...then let nobody even SUGGEST that a woman doesn’t have 100% control and sovereignty over her own body!


49 posted on 08/23/2009 7:13:39 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: Gordon Greene

A nauseating case of forcing square pegs into round holes.

Even a three year old knows that is a mismatch.


50 posted on 08/23/2009 7:15:57 PM PDT by Scanian
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