Posted on 08/25/2009 7:56:39 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
WINNIPEG -- Martial arts instructors are condemning a Winnipeg mother's decision to enrol her bullied son in kick-boxing classes and give him permission to retaliate against his tormentors.
The mother, who asked not to be named, gave her son the green light to "kick the snot out of " his alleged tormentor when school starts next month.....
The mother said a bully has been tormenting her son for years. Both boys are in their early teens, and have attended the same school in Louis Riel School Division.
"It's about time he took a stand and stood up for himself," she said in a recent interview with the Free Press. "He has my full permission to kick the snot out of [the other boy] if he comes up to him."
Mr. Beltran and Mr. Pabuaya both stressed that selfdefence preaches mental discipline before physical training. Both emphasize verbal interaction to avoid heated confrontations.....
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Grasshopper, when you can take this stone from my hand, you will have learned.
Thats just it. Imagine yourself explaining what you did to a jury and wonding what you are going to say during cross.
Almost better and certainly cheaper to endure the beatdown.
"If it builds his self-esteem, it can be a good thing," said Brenda Morrison, professor of criminology at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia. "[But] it's better to walk away. Aggression usually breeds further violence. You can't get to a good place in a bad way."
Golly, Brenda it never occurred to ANYONE to walk-away...thanks for that. But here in the real world the bullies usually take that as a sign of weakness and it only encourages them.
"Martial arts is not about kicking and punching," said Sonny Pabuaya, instructor at Iron Fist Tae Kwon Do in Winnipeg. "That's a misconception people have because that's what they see in the movies."
So says the man who spends his days teaching people how to kick and punch.
"Violence only invokes more violence," said Diego Beltran, who runs Guardian Dojo-Kyokushin Karate Canada Inc. in Winnipeg. "I'm in total disagreement with the lady."
Violence, aimed at the appropriate person or persons, usually results in peace. I think Mr. Beltran must moonlight at the U.N. crafting "strongly worded protests" to tyrants that are busy murdering.
One of my Squad Leaders taught his wife’s son from a previous marriage how to hit since he was being bullied at school. My Squad Leader told him to go to school the next day and beat up the bully. Not only walk up and hit him, but hit him until he was too exhausted to hit anymore.
The kid did, he got expelled, but I’ll bet that bully thinks twice before screwing with other kids.
Correct. Walk with a purpose, keep your head up, and look the bullies right in the eye. The body language of a kid with confidence usually makes bullies look elsewhere for a victim. If a kid has to defend himself, his objective should be to humiliate the bully in front of his friends, not to break bones or 'kick the snot' out of him.
Take the Fifth Amendment protection; that's what it's for.
Well mister-Po’-fancy-pants-trailer-park-trash-philosopher, how about if I just shoot it out of your hand with a .45-70 from 1,000 yards? Steel sights....
Weall do things a bit differently in Texas, y’know....
***Martial arts instructors are condemning a Winnipeg mother’s decision to enrol her bullied son in kick-boxing classes and give him permission to retaliate against his tormentors. ***
And what is wrong with that? Even Hiram Maxim, the inventor of the Maxim machine gun, would frequent bars just to beat up the local bar bullies.
I *kill* 'em up there, man, they are DYING laughin....
Ralphie?
I agree w/you. When I was a kid my Dad told me that the only way to deal with a bully is to take him head on. I had a kid two grades above me (10 to 12 yr old)go after me every chance he got. One day he came at me and I turned around and punched him as hard as I could in his nose. He fell and from that time on he never bothered me again. Amen.
There are two kinds of martial arts schools. One kind is derisively called a “McDojo”, because it plays to the illusion that martial arts is about something other than a dirt-dog brawl, and is more like a dance class. In a real fight, a black belt from such a school is useful only in holding someone’s pants up.
To understand a real martial arts school, is to leave the popular illusion of the idealized America, and see the vicious brutality of the world, often life-or-death brutality. For many years, such schools were forbidden in the Soviet Union, and their practitioners faced death, so practiced and taught students in secret. Finally it was realized that these brutal and sometimes murderous techniques would be of great value, and they were legalized and embraced. Even Russia’s ex-president Putin is a serious Judoka, a skill he had to learn as a member of the Soviet Army’s intelligence service, the GRU.
But both styles of America school discourage learning for “immediate revenge”. The McDojo’s, because it will become painfully clear that what they teach is worthless; and the serious schools, because they know that it takes much practice, strength and endurance, to learn how to fight.
The irony of becoming a serious martial artist is that it changes ones “countenance”, that most villains will spot and avoid, seeking easier prey. This means that unless they go looking for trouble, martial artists rarely get into fights.
The exception being those with fools who are blurred by alcohol, who would offer to punch a 500 pound gorilla, or a police officer with a Taser.
Martial arts also teaches diplomacy, because students learn who not to fight, because they would likely lose, so they had better be adept at avoiding conflict.
Bunch of weasel “martial arts” instructors you got there up north.
A real one would have imparted this wisdom:
Never strike the first blow. Always strike the last blow.
However, if there's no other choice, when you fight, you fight to win. Clobber the #$@##@$% with everything that you've got. We'll sort out the consequences later.
There will always be bullies, and kids that get bullied. The kids that don't fall into either category will always be the best off.
My martial arts instructor never said not to defend yourself, just told us to avoid fights when you could. Some people don’t respect you unless you stand up to them was my experience in school. I made friends, of sorts, with one real turd of a bully by being willing to stand up to him. The public schools really drum pacifist attitudes into the kids nowadays I have noticed as my son has gone through school.
It might be a long-shot lawsuit, but, these days, why take a chance?
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