What would Jesus say about health care?

www.disciplesworld.com ^ | 8/16/09 | Rick Lowery

[lowbridge]

The work and teaching of Jesus offer important moral guideposts as we discuss how to deliver and pay for health care in America today.

New Testament scholars generally agree that the earliest traditions about Jesus emphasize four interrelated themes: Jesus preached and practiced free healing, free food, open tables, and safe space for marginal people

[Citizen Tom Paine]

i always feel a little antsy when I read what someone writes about what “Jesus would do.” I think the bottom line as a Christian is if I see a need, I will share some of my resources with that person in need until they can manage. Notice nowhere in that description was any statement that when I perceived a need was I going to TAKE something of yours to solve the problem. I may try to convince you to help, but I will not make you do it. What mine is mine, but I will share it. What yours is yours and I won’t take it.

Another aspect to consider is buried in the saying - “Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a person to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.” Restating it in terms of health care, I try to teach that person about better nutrition, better eating habits, making better daily life decisions after they have been initially helped. Looking out for you fellow Christian’s well being is what I think Jesus would have done (and is doing).

We all are going to stand in front of that great white throne and give an account of our voyage here on this Earth. Will there be any stars in your crown?

[La Lydia]

Quiere decir “medicina gratis.” “Libre” no signfica gratuitamente.

[RetroSexual]

Gracias!

[Star Traveler]

You said — I would think that Jesus would want us all to take care of each other, not look to others to take care of us, and he wouldn’t want Caesar taking care of it.

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The thing is — Jesus, the Messiah of Israel will be the Caesar of the world (if you will) or better yet, the Ruler over all nations, over all people, the “one-world government leader” over everything, for a 1,000 years, in which He rules with a rod of iron, like the Bible says. This is just prior to the “final judgment” (at the end of that 1,000 years).

During this time, the laws that He institutes and requires everyone to follow, will be commanded and there will be no room for deviation, as He is the *absolute ruler* over all people on the earth at that time. All war will be eliminated, no hunger or poverty or sickness or illness, although there will still be sin and death — which continue up to the time of the final judgment (at the end of that 1,000 year reign), which is the Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20.

[Star Traveler]

See post #20...

[Irish Rose]

I doubt very many liberals actually care what Jesus has to say. Just imagine what would follow if anyone quoted Him in the gay marriage debate:

“Haven’t you read that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?” (Matt. 19:4-5)

I can hear the cries of “Taliban!” already.

[Star Traveler]

You said — I can hear the cries of “Taliban!” already.

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Well, during the *one-world rule* that Jesus, the Messiah of Israel establishes over all the nations, when He comes to set up His 1,000 year rule, during which time the Bible says He rules with a rod of iron, very strict and authoritarian... there will be a whole lot of people who will think that Jesus is the “Taliban” as a whole lot of them rebel against Christ and go against Him at the end of that 1,000 year world-wide reign that He has established.

At the end of that 1,000 years, numbers that are said to be greater than the sand on the seashore, rebel against Jesus, the Messiah of Israel and they are instantly destroyed by Him. And, then comes that “final judgment” that we all hear about (at the end of that 1,000 year world-wide reign), called the Great White Throne Judgment (of Revelation 20).

I’m sure that a whole lot of people are going to be thinking “Taliban” during that time... LOL...

[RC2]

Agreed, but the key is that it is all voluntary. God gave me the right to make that decision and I will answer for my deeds.

As for stars in my crown......I don’t do things to get “stars in my crown”. I do things because I believe them to be right. If I am wrong, then I will have to pay for it one way or another. Do what you believe to be right in your mind and your heart and you will have nothing to worry about. I don’t do things to get browny points with the Old Man.

[Mother Mary]

>>preached and practiced free healing, free food, open tables, and safe space for marginal people<<

I believe He did this for people of FAITH, not “marginal people”

[reg45]

Jesus preached and practiced free healing, free food, open tables, ...

Not so easily done in the absence of divine miraculous powers.

[mountn man]

The whole problem with this healthcare thing, and the rest of socialism/communism that Obama preaches is it removes God and his laws from everything.

First off, those who want gubmint healthcare, want something for nothing. This goes against everything taught in the Bible, specifically Proverbs.

When one advocates taking from one to give to ones self (or society) that is coveting. Looking at what someone has and desiring THEY not have it, is still coveting, even if you don't wish to have it for yourself.

Communism that the Kenyan wants, does not recognize a SOVEREIGN GOD. A God who chooses who he wants to bless. What Obama proposes, in essence, is that whatever blessings one has, and however you get those blessings, HE will choose who gets what. He is setting himself above God.

Everything in the Bible is about personal freedom, and personal responsibility. Obama is trying to do away with all that.

God blesses us NOT just for our own pleasure, but to also bless those around us. But always, the person has the freedom in chooseing if and how we apply those blessings. If we choose not to apply those blessings to or for others, they can always be taken away by God, who gave them in the first place.

Obama says not good enough.

Throughout Proverbs, wisdom and its aquisition are talked about. The Bible talks about the difference between those who seek and follow wisdom, and those who seek and follow folly.

Obama doesn't want a difference.

Likewise, Proverbs talks about dilligence, and the difference between the dilligent and the lazy. But Obama wants to over rule God, and to reward the lazy from the dilligent.

Satan is a destroyer. His goal is to destroy Gods people, and all that God teaches us. He wants to destroy the dilligent. He wants to destroy the wise. He wants to demoralise those who live by Gods rules.

[rockabyebaby]

I don't know what Jesus would say, but here's what dead ted said to the pope in the letter he had obama personally deliver in July click right here start in around the 5 minute mark - the letter was read yesterday at dead ted's burial service.

[muawiyah]

Besides, Jesus was not in favor of the male on male "hokey pokey" sort of thing all these Leftwingtards value and cherish so highly.

Make that Jesus' FIFTH THEME

[Shimmer1]

If the author thinks that Jesus came to offer free goodies, he’s missed the whole point.

[Canedawg]

there's billions in heathcare bill for unions....why do we owe union workers

An excellent question

Labor is and has been aligned with the Civil Rights movement, which is aligned with Marxist thought, which aligned with taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots. Workers/labor are "have nots" in this paradigm. So this is their payoff for being down for the struggle.

[what's up]

I don't recall Jesus pushing for the Romans to raise taxes so there could be universal health care.

Far, far from it.

[right way right]

The Author is a false Christian.

The scripture verses they try use to back their lies are falsely interpreted.

This article is worthy a steaming pant load stamp of disapproval.

Jesus is God not a politicial policy wonk.

[mountn man]

The Bible teaches that the wealthy, when harvesting their crops, should not go back and pick up what had fallen or been missed. It was to be for the poor. The poor STILL had to go out into the field, and harvest for themselves. I also believe the poor were still required to ask permission from the owner (otherwise it would be stealing). That way the owner was allowing of his own free will. And the poor person would not view it as an entitlement, and would still have to work for it.

The Bible NEVER preached free or open anything. The Bible talks about wisdom and dilligence.

What the Bible DOES talk about is HELPING out the poor and needy. To take up the cause of the widow and/or the oppressed. But it most DEFINETLY DOES NOT advocate a free ride.

Christ fed the people because they were so hungry for him and his words, that they weren't prepared. There was a legitimate NEED that he met. BUT the miracle was not about feeding people, it was about GLORIFYING GOD.

If Jesus' miracles were all about feeding and healing, or free food and health, he would have been doing that constantly, and he would have preached that. But he preached SIN, REPENTANCE and SALVATION. He never ordered the disciples to go out and feed and heal people. The disciples were to go out and preach Gods Good News.

[ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY]

“... let's have churches run the hospitals and have the Vatican run federal health care.”

EXACTLY!! Return to the origins of medicine as developed in the western world; a calling to help your fellow man and fostered by the churches. Get rid of “for profit health care” The very description of it should seem obscene to Christians!

(NO, I definitely DON'T support Govt run Healthcare!)

[what's up]

When Jesus sent his disciples into the world to heal and cast out demons, he told them to heal for free and to accept whatever hospitality families could provide them (Matthew 10:8–10).

Ummmm....they did it thru the power of the Holy Spirit and NOT using tax-payers funds.

This author is out to lunch.