Posted on 09/15/2009 12:50:19 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
This past May, a fossil nicknamed Ida was loudly heralded by the evolutionary scientific community as the long-sought-after “missing link” that supposedly proved ape-to-human evolution. Directly following the unveiling, ICR News reported reasons why Ida, in fact, linked nothing, being merely an extinct variety of lemur.[1]
ICR News also predicted what has now occurred with Ida’s popularity campaign, stating, “After further study, however, this claim will be quietly rescinded.”[2] Ida has been surreptitiously...
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I just shorten it to tp.
You are, as usual, the only one that has misrepresented anything here.
Keep on lying; it is your personna.
Actually, the thrust of the articles (and arguments) about IDA is not that they merely made a mistake.
It is that they took the finding of just ONE set of fossilized remains, and then went crazy setting up websites, magazine articles, etc., (all in very short period of time) all proclaiming this find WAS the TRUE ANCESTOR of man.
I.E. In their haste to make this claim, they didn’t find it pertinent to spend any time trying to actually find any real proof, or even give the scientific community time to debate the issue.
Very astute analysis, telling still is the fact that normal well adjusted people instantly recognize your summarizations, while the liberals steeply indoctrinated in a godless cult are simply incapable of such recognition.
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I think a better summarization is that GGG oversold what was afoot.
He trumpets that Darwinians hastened to sell another nonstarter “missing link” wholesale - but even ICR in its
early articles acknowledged that many paleontologists (presumably including Darwinians)didn’t buy what Hurum was
selling. A casual review of many of the articles at the time
expressed the same reservations that ICR - weeks later - noted as refutation. and “Mr. Dreamer”- sorry, Hurum dropped
enough vague/unqualified statements that led many other media to conclude “IDA-to-GGG!!”
So, is this evidence of a vast evo conspitacy, as contended
by GGG/metmom? only if you are intellectually dishonest enough to fail to note (to its credit, ICR was not) that IDA was promptly questioned (by many scientists)as being evidence of anything at all.
Yes, Sir Richard A. and many media types jumped on the bandwagon- so what? There’s a sucker born every minute...
I think Hurum bluffed his way to the proverbial 15 minutes of fame to justify his prior convincing of the Oslo Musuem to pay for IDA (reported asking price: $1M) AND fund 2 years of research!! I believe in Occam’s Razor: the simple answer is likely the correct one, and greed is a powerful motivator.
do you metmom? GGG?
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well, just because the three of you have limited “recall”...doesn't make it, “not true...”
I would refer you to 9/15/09 of ICR (the article GGG
heralds...surely, he read the article??)at footnotes 2 and 3, which refer to scientific (not Creationist) articles that, early on, challenged Hurum’s boasts (implicit or otherwise).
Also, in the string of replies, there is a link reference to an Australian news service article(days after the Hurum announcement), quoting another dispute over his claims.
My recall is that pretty early on, IDA went in the dumper; old news...
How much more an example of malice and ignorance can you get than calling people *cretarded*?
Physician, heal thyself.
Calling people *retards* in the derogatory sense like evos do using the term *creatards*, smacks of six year old behavior. It's absolutely uncalled for.
But for the grace of God go you. There's no reason but that that any one of us wasn't born in that condition ourself.
It's reprehensible that evos use that term in a derogatory sense like that, instead of having the common decency to not mock what someone can't help, and wouldn't choose if given the choice.
For all the criticism creationists and Christians get over their worldview, it does teach the dignity and value of man as being created in the image of God that should preclude that kind of behavior.
Clearly the worldview adhered to by the evos places no such restrictions on that kind of behavior.
Interesting that you now tout the public school system.
A thing I find ironic is that almost every constant (Cosmological Constant, Planck’s Constant, etc) is that they are a variable.
Lots....
IIRC, that's where IDA spent her first few years.
But it is ok for y'all to make fun of disabled veterans and refer to a DD214 as 'silly' as editor-surveyor did.
Noted...but greed can come in many different forms...and I still don’t remember seeing anyone tripping over themselves to discount claims made in Nat’l Geographic for instance.
Let’s face it...it wasn’t “oversold” whatsover by GGG or ICR...rather “exposed”...
Now I suppose you can make an argument about “over”-exposed...as anyone on that side of the aisle would tend to want! :)
But the fault clearly and unmistakenly lies with evos that jumped on the bandwagon too soon, too hastily and too arrogantly.
Better to drink the medicine, fess up and move on...it’ll probably all go away much quicker that way...IMO.
It's past my bedtime...and by the looks of your wild swings...you're way past yours and missed your naptime.
Every time you say “big man”, “echo chamber”, and “cheerleaders”, GGG sends me $10.
Pretty soon, I will be able to bail out the US Economy.
Sorry. I wish I had some drugs to take so I’d have an excuse for that poor example of English.
Second try:
A thing I find ironic about all these constants (Cosmological Constant, Planck’s Constant, etc) is that they are a variable.
I was just amazed at metmom's wild swings talking about how evolutionists were saying what she was taught in school were 'creationist lies'. Who'd athunkit.
“Amid Media Circus, Scientists Doubt ‘Ida’ Is Your Ancestor
By Clara Moskowitz
posted: 20 May 2009 02:13 pm ET
This fossil has been hailed as the eighth wonder of the world. Frankly I've got 10 more in my basement,” said Chris Beard, a curator of vertebrate paleontology at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh. Though the fossil is a beautiful specimen, it is not dissimilar to many slightly less well-preserved primate fossils from around the same period.
“In some ways the most amazing and startling result of all of this is that we've now set a new standard in how to promote a new fossil,” Beard told LiveScience. “And I have mixed feelings about that.”
That's a excerpt from the article but I think it makes the point.
I think the “media circus” drew a more sharp eyed scrutiny for Ida than otherwise might have happened and being presented as a predigested package didn't help either. No one cared for show biz.
Actually, the number of evolutionist believers is over 50 percent and has been climbing almost every year.
Why do you have to start the thread to destroy the temple of Darwin?
This link is directly related to a thread you started here on FR
Your excuses are growing old, if as you claim you can send any evo crying from a debate with you, then it is time for you to put up or shut up. Talk is cheap, venture outside of this echo chamber and show us what you can do.
I truly doubt you can do as you claim. The science is just does not back up your wharrrgarble. If you had the evidence you claim then you would have your Noble Prize by now.
You are all hat and no cattle, and each time you run and hide you prove my point.
Do the big mean evo-loser sites scare you?
Can you not prevail in a debate without your cheerleaders?
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4638818
When exactly did God leave you in charge?
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