Irving Kristol, Architect of Neoconservatism, Dies at 89

The Washington Post ^ | September 18, 2009 | Adam Bernstein

[SandWMan]

Neoconservatism is a blight upon America. It is responsible for the shape we are in today.

[what's up]

Yes, his supply-side ideas were extremely important.

Why all the bitterness on this thread?

[SoCalPol]

Spoken like a true Left Wing loon, newbee

[EveningStar]

We have a bunch of them on this thread. :(

[Lazamataz]

I am no fan of neocons, but if that’s as far as an ex-liberal can come, I’ll take him.

[1rudeboy]

Why all the bitterness on this thread?

Think of the term "neocon" as a vessel into which True Conservatives™ pour all of their frustrations, imagined or not.

As an experiment, try to get them to define it--you'll get a hundred different answers.

[SandWMan]

No, spoken like a true conservative...a real, “old right” conservative.

[EveningStar]

Why all the bitterness on this thread?

It's just the anti-neocon loons coming up for air.

[dfwgator]

As an experiment, try to get them to define it--you'll get a hundred different answers.

And usually it will all lead back to one thing......'The Joooooooos.'

[EveningStar]

No, spoken like a true conservative...a real, “old right” conservative.

You mean an isolationist?

[newfreep]

For my clarification, neocon = RINO?

[mwl8787]

It's Bill Kristol and actor Billy Crystal

[EveningStar]

It’s good that you made that Kristol Klear. :)

[GoldStandard]

As Mark Levin says “when libs say Neocon they really mean The Jews”

Sounds like his version of the left's race card: saying something automatically makes you racist/anti-semite.

A neoconservative was originally a term used for pro-war liberals, like Joe Lieberman or Rudy Giuliani, who wanted wars for democracy and nation-building. The term has since evolved to basically mean anyone who supports pre-emptive wars.

[paulycy]

As an experiment, try to get them to define it--you'll get a hundred different answers.

Don't ask me to define it. Can't do it.

[1rudeboy]

No, spoken like a true conservative...a real, “old right” conservative.

The ones that favor bigger government and higher taxes?

[SandWMan]

“No, spoken like a true conservative...a real, “old right” conservative.

You mean an isolationist?”

Though the term is generally meant as an insult...yes. But it’s much more than that.

[1rudeboy]

Sounds like his version of the left's race card: saying something automatically makes you racist/anti-semite.

That, or maybe Mark Levin still reads Pat Buchanan's work.

[Palin Republic]

That’s not true. The late IK said

“QUOTE: ‘Ever since I can remember, I’ve been a neo-something: a neo-Marxist, a neo-Trotskyist, a neo-liberal, a neo-conservative; in religion a neo-orthodox even while I was a neo-Trotskyist and a neo-Marxist. I’m going to end up a neo-that’s all, neo dash nothing.’”

And Ron Paul is very explicit and precise in his prescient 2003 critique of neoconservatism:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2970178683925412799&hl=en&emb=1#

[SandWMan]

“No, spoken like a true conservative...a real, “old right” conservative.

The ones that favor bigger government and higher taxes?”

No, the ones who favor an almost non-existent government (compared to the behemoth we have today), and lower taxes...preferably no direct taxes at all.