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Beer for brain injury? Maybe
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 9/22/09 | Megan Brooks

Posted on 09/22/2009 11:49:56 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – People who suffer a traumatic brain injury from a car crash or other mishap are more apt to survive if they had been drinking at the time of the injury, according to a study published Monday.

The finding "raises the intriguing possibility" that giving alcohol to brain injured patients may improve outcome, the study team suggests in the Archives of Surgery.

Alcohol and driving "is and will always continue to be bad -- it contributes to over 40 percent of traffic-related fatalities," first author Dr. Ali Salim of Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles emphasized in an email to Reuters Health.

"However, of those patients with moderate to severe traumatic brain injury who survive their initial insult, those with alcohol in their system seem to have a slight survival advantage compared to those without alcohol in their system," Salim noted.

Among a little more than 38,000 people who suffered moderate to severe brain trauma between 2000 and 2005, 38 percent had alcohol in their system when they arrived at the hospital.

Compared to people who hadn't been drinking before the accident, those who had been drinking were younger (average age 37 years vs. 44 years) and they had less severe injuries. The traumatic brain injured drinkers also spent less time on a ventilator and less time in the intensive care unit.

And, according to Salim and his colleagues, fewer of the drinkers than the non-drinkers died in the hospital (7.7 percent compared with 9.7 percent).

However, the lower death rate among the drinkers was "tempered" by an apparent increase in complications for patients who had been drinking before the accident, the investigators note.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: beer; braininjury; maybe; napl

1 posted on 09/22/2009 11:49:56 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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SOURCE: Archives of Surgery, September 2009.


2 posted on 09/22/2009 11:50:21 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bonk me over the head again, Clancy, it’s time for another round.


3 posted on 09/22/2009 11:51:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: NormsRevenge

pre-medicated with preservatives...

the problem is those patients were probably injured BECAUSE of it too.


4 posted on 09/22/2009 11:54:17 AM PDT by GeronL (Are you one of those "individual responsibility" people?)
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To: NormsRevenge
..alcohol may lessen the body's inflammatory response..

So does chocolate!

This study is insane.
5 posted on 09/22/2009 11:55:49 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (“Cap and Trade bill tells us how to live.. Health Care bill tells us how to die.” Bauer and Rose)
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To: GSWarrior

6 posted on 09/22/2009 11:57:27 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: NormsRevenge

I know a fellow who wrecked his motorcycle at 100 mph, drunk, without a helmet.

By all rights, he should have been dead before he stopped.

The only significant permanent injury he suffered was the loss of hearing in one ear, because as he was tumbling to a stop, his brain was rattling around inside his skull and tore loose one of his auditory nerves.

If you ever wonder if miracles still occur, there’s one right there.


7 posted on 09/22/2009 11:57:45 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

God loves drunks and children.

(Ben Franklin, I think.)


8 posted on 09/22/2009 11:59:40 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Having worked in an Orange county Trauma unit for years, I can say that this author negated his premise when he gave the following info...

“...those who had been drinking were younger (average age 37 years vs. 44 years).”

Age makes all the difference in recovery. The younger they are, the better the body repairs itself...just think of the number of children who were drowning victims who recovered despite being under water for a very long time.
You never get the same results with adults.


9 posted on 09/22/2009 11:59:50 AM PDT by dianed
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To: NormsRevenge

Oooh, ooh! I know the answer to this one:
The TBI outcomes are better for those who had been drinking because they were more RELAXED upon impact.

I really doubt that giving patients beer as part of the recovery process is gonna fly.


10 posted on 09/22/2009 12:00:17 PM PDT by blu (Graffiti the world, I've seen the writing on the wall...)
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To: NormsRevenge; Slings and Arrows
Good Grief! It would probably be the consumption of alcohol that caused the injuries in the first place!

(Ping)

11 posted on 09/22/2009 12:01:34 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: blu

I really doubt that giving patients beer as part of the recovery process is gonna fly.

Not if Nurse Cratchett has her way.. and last swig.


12 posted on 09/22/2009 12:03:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge
giving alcohol to brain injured patients may improve outcome,

It only makes them THINK the outcome improved. All women are beautiful at 2:00 a.m..........just don't make the mistake of seeing them at 7:00 a.m.

13 posted on 09/22/2009 12:16:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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To: DuncanWaring

My FIL was in intensive care with a college student who was knocked down a flight of steps while drunk and went into a coma. His liver went to sleep while he was in the coma. When he woke up from the coma, he was still drunk.


14 posted on 09/22/2009 12:19:08 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Also known as the “Hey ya’ll! Hold ma beer’n watch this!” diagnosis.


15 posted on 09/22/2009 12:38:01 PM PDT by Coastie (CPO, USCG retired)
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To: NormsRevenge

16 posted on 09/22/2009 12:41:14 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: blu

That well known idea is probably more likely the reason those with head injuries recover than the ones proposed in this idiotic study! Sheesh, what a waste of money!

Plus, how do you administer beer to patients that have recently had a traumatic head injury?? Intravenously?

Idiots.


17 posted on 09/22/2009 1:13:57 PM PDT by Reddy
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To: Fiddlstix; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...
"Here's to alcohol, the cause of—and solution to—all life's problems."
--Homer Simpson


18 posted on 09/22/2009 1:20:28 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Crazy is the new sane.)
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To: Fiddlstix

How many were passengers?

Just because passengers get tallied in “drunken accident” figures doesn’t mean that their drunken state played any role in the accident itself.


19 posted on 09/22/2009 1:27:48 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: blu
The TBI outcomes are better for those who had been drinking because they were more RELAXED upon impact. I really doubt that giving patients beer as part of the recovery process is gonna fly.

Well it is a blood thinner.

20 posted on 09/22/2009 1:28:26 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: a fool in paradise
We'll use personal info as the case study:
One person, totally trashed. While riding motorcycle, passed a VW bug, caught foot peg on that thingy under the door. Was dragged under the VW for a while. Major road burn, requiring hospitalization. Person involved has total recall of the event, and the Dr. said he was lucky to be alive, because he was so drunk he was totally relaxed upon impact.

Another person, totally not drunk, hit from behind. She could see the car coming and knew they wouldn't be able to stop (icy roads).Even tho half of her brain was saying “just let go and relax”, the other half was saying “stand on the brakes! Grip the steering wheel firmly! Hunch your shoulders”. the illogical part of her brain won, and she lost about 3 weeks of memories. Even tho the airbags did not deploy, and she did not hit her head, she had a soft concussion. She would have been much better off if she would have just relaxed.

It doesn't have so much to do with what's in your system upon impact, it's how your body handles the impact. Someday, I will do a study to see how being drunk upon impact has actually saved lives. Of course, I'll have to get funding from the booze companies, as the results would not be PC. Which doesn't mean I'm advocating drunk driving!

21 posted on 09/22/2009 1:43:21 PM PDT by blu (Graffiti the world, I've seen the writing on the wall...)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’ve read that only drunks survive the jump off the Golden Gate Bridge. Sounds like there’s truth to that.


22 posted on 09/22/2009 1:49:37 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It’s the rigidity that gets ya, less resistance.. ya still take a heckuva wallop but..


23 posted on 09/22/2009 1:51:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge
"...of those patients with moderate to severe traumatic brain injury who survive their initial insult, those with alcohol in their system seem to have a slight survival advantage..."

Yeah, always helps to be drunk when you're accused of being a Democrat.
24 posted on 09/22/2009 2:56:10 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Cheney/Palin 2012!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Beer is proof that God loves us


25 posted on 09/22/2009 4:13:28 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To Glenn Beck. Obama doesn't hate whites, he hates all Americans.)
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To: dianed

I don’t drive while drunk any way...

I’m 52, I learned at the ripe old age of 35 that beer will get you a DUI.

Now that causes brain recovery!


26 posted on 09/22/2009 10:58:39 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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